Writers Notebook

Archived Messages from September 19,2003 to November 11, 2003

Hi Heather: Glad you are back. This notebook isn't right without you. Sorry to hear that you are having a tough time right now. As far as jobs, have you checked your local schools. Many take substitute teachers and you need only a high school education. There are many drawbacks to this..like being used as a dartboard by the kids, diseases you seem to catch and keep forever, plus the need for a babysitter..but it pays on average about 60.00 a day. It's not great, but when is work ever great? Plus the kids are nice and the ability to take on the job when you can and drop it when you can't is a plus.

Home in bed with another flu and cold. I've caught everything this year. If I'm not spreading a disease, I'm catching it.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone tomorrow. Have a good time cooking!

Viv 11-26-2003 20:15

GARIESS: Or, 4: You're a Gemini, and it's a Gemini male thing.

MARK: It's interesting how humans perceive parts of the body depending on their culture. Casabas have nothing whatsoever to do with sex, it is only our culture that has made it so.
For instance, in Africa or thereabouts casabas would be no more sexual than, say elbows.
Then there are places where it's extremely sexy to see how far you can get your bottom lip to stretch by way of inserting a plate between lip and gums.
There are places where something as basic as legs which must be kept under wraps at all costs for fear of immodesty.

Not going anywhere withthis, just an observation.

Teekay 11-26-2003 19:03

MARK: You are failing 'Womenspeak 101' miserably :-D

Teekay. 11-26-2003 18:21

Cripes, I've just thought of a 3rd option, and that is you actually ARE my husband pretending to be GARIESS.

Teekay. 11-26-2003 18:20

Women are more known for their melons than men, and yes, I'll admit, more than once I have thought, "nice casabas," when looking womanward. People *are* often melon-headed, however, so I think the anlogy fits.

Mark 11-26-2003 18:20

GARIESS: I did not say I disliked the analogy of the watermelon, merely that I disagreed with it. Actually, I found it amusing.
But you're right, I guess some may consider me argumentative, funny, my hubby tells me I am all the time, I however disagree, I perfer to call it conversive.

Now, coming from 2 sources, both being male, that could mean one of two things.

1: I am argumentative and am unaware of it
or
2: It's a male thing and some men feel challenged if I question their theories.

There may be more, but those are the 2 that come to mind.

But, take heart, you're right on one count - I am cute (even if only on the inside) :-D
And kind.
And funny (read: strange)
And caring.
And I'm not listing the bad points, they are well able to speak for themselves :-D (and deliberately argumentaive is not amongst them)

And I think you're cute too :-)

Teekay 11-26-2003 18:16

Uh, oh, Double post. Well, that happens sometimes.

11-26-2003 18:04

One more thing. I see the NB is still being spammed by the Chinese mining company. I risked taking a look at the web-site, and I find that their product is good for use as flux in making iron products. I thought about ordering a few hundred tons, but then I reconsidered. I don't think the rest of you want to encourage this kind of industrial spamming in the NB. Who knows how many other industries would invade here if word got out that we are a soft touch for industrial supplies. Of course I could let you speak for yourselves in that regard.

gariess 11-26-2003 18:02

Something I should have mentioned earlier to Taylor. What you say about the IDEA that one man as lowly as Lee Harvey Oswald could kill a man as important as the president HAS GREAT MERIT. I believe you are right that many people simply wont be satisfied with that kind of answer. Like everyone else who heard the news at the time, I remember my first thought, it was to the effect that it must be a mistake or a hoax, that kind of thing can't happen. How could it? Surely they wouldn't let the president get killed by some nut case. I suppose that when a great many people came to accept that it did happen, they needed to think that there had to be a conspiracy.

gariess 11-26-2003 17:48

Teekay,

What you are referring to is not someone disgreeing with forensic experts. It is a case of forensic experts disputing each other. That sort of thing happens all the time. I am sorry if you don't like watermelon analogies, but impact to the human head is often compared to impacting melons of one kind or another. It is not uncommon for firearms people to try different kinds of bullets on melons to simulate impacting the human skull, especially the ones that are made to explode inside the target. It has something to do with weight, water content, and other things. Anyway, I will not discuss it any further. If you must be argumentative you can be so with someone else. You said earlier that I sound like your husband, but I assure you I am not. I still think you're cute, however. You just seem to have a propensity for argument. That is something many bright people like yourself have trouble with.

gariess 11-26-2003 17:34

Hi All :-)

GARIESS: I am thrilled that you picked my post to be the one you answered.

So, based on the hypothetical actions of a watermelon, others, whom you agree with, have decried the opinion of forensic experts?

Doesn't the forward movement of the body on impact presume correctly that the weight of the body was moved by the force of inertia?
I disagree with anyone's analogy of the watermelon representing the head and the post the body.
They are seperate entities and simply would not react the same way as a single human body unit.
I find it difficult to comprehend that people would even use it as an example.

And, with a watermelon there may be a certain chunk that stays behind, as with a body, the entire head may be missing, but the body's still there, and that would be about the only thing the comparison of the two would have in common.

You must stop watching Lee Ermey.

And thanks for cheering me up :-D

Why is everybody talking about this anyway? I musthave missed a vital posting.

Going...

Teekay 11-26-2003 16:36

**Taylor**

Just a g'day to all... Oh and I've found a new way to work out problems with writing. With storylines and that.
For the last couple of days, I step out back and just keep ditching a small soft football at a brick wall... While thinking about what I'm working on. It's so relaxing at the same time to

Taylor 11-26-2003 10:05

lianchun yang china jilin shanwei wollastonite mining co., ltd. 11-26-2003 3:15

I am only going to answer one post tonight.

Teekay, I watched a number of TV analyses of the JFK assasination. I have no recollection of which one had experts comment on the presumption that since the body lurched backward at the moment of impact, the fatal shot must have come from in front. This presumes that the weight of the body was moved by the impact. A challenge to this was made that the head can be likened to a watermelon on a post. In a more or less relaxed state the head rests fairly loosely on the neck. To make the point quickly, if you fire a high powered rifle (maybe even a low powered one) into a watermelon sitting on a post, the watermelon will certainly explode, but there is always a chunk that stays on the post unmoved. The melon has absorbed the energy of the impact even to the point of leaving part of itself on the post. If the post had a wired in nervous system connected to the watermelon that worked like a person's, the post might do anything by way of physical reaction independant of the watermelon sitting on it. In this analogy the watermelon represents the head and the post represents the body, if I need to be so explicit.

Lee Ermey does a TV show on the History channel in which he attacks watermelons with anything from a fifteenth century sword to a WW11 machine gun. The watermelons always lose these confrontations except for the little bit of themselves that they rest on. Personally, since I have always known watermelons to be of a most peaceful nature and entirely defenseless, I find these attacks to be unprovoked and unconscionable, but Mr. Ermey, the old gunny, takes a different view.

The marksmanship of Lee Harvey Oswald or the reliability of his rifle might be questioned in any number of ways, but nothing can be proved in that regard at this point. The fact that he was in the building with the rifle and at the window suggests that he had proven to himself, at least, that he could be effective with it regardless of its reputation.

gariess 11-26-2003 2:34

Awwwww, guys, thanks for the hugs, well-wishes and thoughts.
(I didn't figure anyone would laugh at my situation, Gariess, just at the possibility of a civil divorce...;o)
Thank you, Sunny, for telling me about your experience! Good to know I'm not the only one who thinks these things can be handled as the delicate nature they are without bruising anyone's feelings... at least past where they have already been hurt.
The kids are adjusting well, which is amazing and hopeful... we have both been keeping them well-informed on what's going on, as well as listening to them share their feelings and any fears/misunderstandings, misgivings, etc.
(Of course, there have been some really 'almost funny' misconceptions they mentioned when first hearing the news.)

My son asked if Dad was going to take half the cat. LOL

At any rate, thanks for the warm welcome back!
Good to be home. :o)

Heather 11-25-2003 22:57

HEATHER: I'm utterly gob-smacked.

((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGE HUGS))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

I'm so glad you're back. Your news has me reeling so I can only imagine what place you're in right now.

What an entrance. Now, go back out and come in again with something a little less likely to throw my world off kilter will you :-)

HOWARD already gave me a bit of a shock. When I tuned in yesterday (I think it was yesterday), his was the first post I glanced at and I saw something about the president being killed and well....I thought for the tiniest fraction of a nano second that he was speaking about George W. Bush.
Give me a right start it did. (to be said in Cockney fashion for intended effect.)

GARIESS: You wrote: You are probably right about the meaning of ennui.
I'm having a little trouble coming to terms with the word 'probably'.
You sound like my husband :-D
'Yeah, you're 'probably' right, I really shouldn't have eaten those beans, where should we bury the cat?'
Damn tootin' I'm right. :-)

You also wrote: And don't get me started on which direction a body moves when a high velocity projectile blows away the top of a person's brain. The head absorbs the energy of the bullet, and the motion of the body is dictated by the instantantaneous spasming reaction of the nervous system to the shattering of the brain. Because the bullet comes from behind, in no way determines that the body will move forward during the miliseconds of impact. The resulting spasmodic event is totally unpredictable.

Ooer, and where did that juicy little fact come from? It's really very interesting and I really would like to know how one comes to be in possession of such knowledge.

You did not write:I assure you that if the hubby and I ever get to Australia, we will be sure to visit you. That would be fun.
RHODA did, and she sure better.

Going.....

Teekay 11-25-2003 15:17

It's good to be able to share in here.

Heather, I've been where you are -- wondering what the future would hold when my husband and I were divorced after 22 years of marriage. Our kids were only 6 and 9, and it was definitely scary. Fortunately, with effort, we've almost always been able to put the kids first, and that made decisions easier. My daughter said that we have one of the most civilized divorces she's ever seen.

I wish you well, and remember, you're never alone.

Sunny 11-25-2003 11:28

Heather, I've missed you, glad to see you back. Sorry to hear of the family problems, but then these sort of things happen, and I guess all one can do is hang on tightly and try to work it out the best for all concerned.

As far as the one gunman deal, I guess it could have been, but then have you ever tired to shoot one of those old Italian bolt actions? I have, most of them shoot a few feet either high, low, to the left, or the right of sight. Used to see them once in awhile at gun shows, those who had them on their table when I got there, ALWAYS had them on their table when we left, that is if they didn't get mad and toss them in the nearest dumpster. Those rifles have and always have had a well earned reputation of being the WORST battle rifle ever developed by any nation in any war. THe round was miss-designed, the barrel twist was completely wrong for the velocity, weight and ballistic coeficent, and the sights were so poor that one had a better chance of hitting a target by sighting down the side of the barrel, that is if you could find one with a reasonably straight barrel.

BUT then they say Oswell was an expert with the rifle, well so was I when I qualified with the M-16 in Basic Training but then about all that proves is that you've probably shot a rifle before Basic, and maybe went hunting a time or two, in contrast to those city boys who grew up never seeing, much less shooting any sort of firearm. AND I can assure you, I have tried shooting a few of those Italian battle rifles (took three in trade on an old .22 rifle I had on my table one gun show, just to get a chance to try the old junkers) and of the three I had an opertuntity to try, NONE of them had any sort of accuracy. SO saying that Oswell shot three very accurate shots in a matter of six seconds from a piece of crap rifle that is notorious for it's inaccuarcy, and hit the President twice at over a hundred yards (OK so he had an old weaver scope on the piece of crap rifle but that probably didn't help much!) in a moving vehicle (even though it was a bit slow moving) is a bit much for me to digest. Sure it COULD have happened that way, if every thing went exactly right but I have strong doubts that it did. I can't offer any explination since I wasn't there, in fact I was in the Sixth grade at the time, but then many who were there don't have any idea what happened either. Well then Oliver Stone knows what happened, but then Oliver Stone wrote crap about what happened in Vietnam too, and I understand most of it was exactly that.

At any rate, it's a fair topic to discuss when you haven't anything else on your mind.

Had a sort of intresting thing happen today, my murdering cousin's daughter's best friend stopped by, the daughter was taken away from her mother shortly after the murder and was eventually addopted by a family in another state. Nobody really knew what happend to her till today when the lady called, then came by for a copy of our famly tree. Seems the daughter is now in her thirty's and is trying to find info on her birth family, (she was like five years old when she was taken from here). She is afraid to contact any of us in person for fear there may be some sort of adverse reaction (there, of course wouldn't be but who's to blame her for being a bit fearfull of such things).

At any rate I gave them all the data, and promised to scan in all our photo's of her and her sister and cousins when they were still up here. Was nice to hear that she's doing well in her home away from here.

Still more snow, will it ever end??? It got cold yesterday, reaching -14, but today was a bit of a warming trend it's up to 30 above now, they say snow for Turkey day but I guess that's allright, our son and family can't make it this year, they will try for Christmas if all goes well with them.

Sorry to hear of the heart problems Garies, had one of those tests myself earlier this fall, thankfully mine turned out good. It did have me a bit worried there for awhile.

WRITE ON!

Jerry 11-25-2003 1:15

**Taylor**

Gariess: I believe the reason why so many people need to believe in the whole conspiracy is that JFK was a powerful man. Being a President and all. And if just one man can take down a President and throw people in turmoil like that, its too hard to comprehend. Take for instance if one man can do that then imagine what a group of people can do. The reason for believing in the theories, I think is fear and disbelief.

Taylor 11-25-2003 1:06

Heather,

You didn't hear me snorting or sneering. I don't react that way when I hear a friend having such problems. I wish you the best.

Teekay,

You are probably right about the meaning of ennui. I have enough trouble with the English language, how will I sort out French? Still, it seems that there should be more words for certain feelings. On the other hand it smacks a little of a bunch of blind people trying to work out what is green and what is red. One needs a reference, then communication can happen.

I have always wondered why so many people need to believe that JFK was done in by a conspiracy. Personally, I like the original lone gunman version. Sexing up the story, however, is inevitable in the end. There seems to be no end to all the armchair detectives. I even see where one investigator worked out a whole scenario that has a shooter firing from a sewer drain in the sidewalk and making an escape through the storm drains.

One thing I take great exception to is the interpretation of the amatuer photograph of the so-called "badge man" on the grassy knoll. I have been a photographer for over 50 years. I have done darkroom work on the best negative sources available, and I have never been able to enlarge even a fine grain negative as much as they have with the coarse grain amatuer film that was available in the early sixties, and come up with a readable image of such a small area. The "badge man," as far as I am concerned is horse-hockey. Someone has created a whole "policeman" out of shadows and light coming through trees and bushes. Actually, not a whole one, about one third. I can take any one of a hundred negatives with trees and bushes and conjure up anything you like. How about a horse or a donkey? just tell me what you want. After a 12X enlargement of one hundredth of an inch of film you can invent any image you want with so called "enhancement."

And don't get me started on which direction a body moves when a high velocity projectile blows away the top of a person's brain. The head absorbs the energy of the bullet, and the motion of the body is dictated by the instantantaneous spasming reaction of the nervous system to the shattering of the brain. Because the bullet comes from behind, in no way determines that the body will move forward during the miliseconds of impact. The resulting spasmodic event is totally unpredictable.

Besides, I have an alibi for that day.

gariess 11-25-2003 0:19

TEEKAY,

I assure you that if the hubby and I ever get to Australia, we will be sure to visit you. That would be fun.

HEATHER,

I missed you too. Good to have you back. I am sorry for your sad news. I hope the things with your job and your children come together.

GARIES,

Why not share these things? Yes it is heavy stuff, but that is what friends are for. I will be in prayer for you.

RACHEL,

Snow, what is that? It has been a long time since it has snowed around here. Certainly not while I have lived here, and with everyone here not knowing how to drive in the stuff, snow would be terrifying.

Rhoda 11-24-2003 23:27

Oooooooh boy...
There is just no way I'll be able to catch up with what's been going on here! So, (big intake of oxygen here) I'll just dive back in. I have been wanting to immerse myself in your words, my friends, but haven't had much heart to sit still and read, let alone write much more than a sad entrail of a grocery list.

Shall I just spill it, then? (I can hear the questions not yet written in your posts to come)
My husband and I are getting divorced.
I am still jobless, so there is much to be panicking about.
Hopefully the potential battle over the joint custody of the kids won't ever have to erupt, and we can all come to an agreement satisfactory to all. (Was that a snicker? I heard someone scoff!) I know not every couple on the brink of divorce is able to speak to one another, let alone agree; my eyes are on the sky when I say I hope we are not the average divorcing couple.
We weren't much of an average at any point.

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Still no news from Ronsdale Press... I'll keep hanging onto the newsclips at the base of my mailbox, and torturing the mailman with my antics until one day I do hear back.
LOL

Hugs to all, and I HAVE MISSED YOU TERRIBLY!
Of course, it's my fault I've been away...
;op

Heather 11-24-2003 22:23

GARIESS: Are you sure the word is ennui? I always took that to mean boredom.
It's interesting we don't have a word for something so powerful, or maybe such elusiveness cannot be restrained within a language.

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) to you.
You sound as though you could use some.

Teekay. 11-24-2003 16:00

**Taylor**

I wasn't alive during the Kennedy Assassination. And I don't remember much about the attempt on Reagen's life.

But two Historical events that come to mind has to be The Challenger exploding... It was such a change in attitudes in the couple of days that followed. It seemed everyone knew about it and felt the shock of it in some way. Especially the teachers.

The other would is the tearing down of the Berlin Wall. I remember spending much of my high school years wandering why it was up... and why they couldn't just sit down and talk it over. I remember I was hooked onto the news watching it with Awe at the people with sledgehammers and whatever to take the wall down.
At school the next day, it was like a celebration. Like relief or it was what we thought a step towards a solution.

Anyway that's enough dribbling from me.

Taylor 11-24-2003 10:12

looking for analysis for novel...anybody?

brad 11-24-2003 3:19

I had just learned the proper way to kill a man with a bayonet, when a jeep pulled up to the instructor stand, and a sergeant jumped out. With tears streaming down his face he told us that "Some asshole has just killed the President!"
We stood there in shock -- one of the guys the front rank pissed his pants -- and nobody said a word. Some of them thought it was just another instructor's trick to catch a recruit off guard, then use him for an example to the rest of us. But they formed us in squads and quick-marched us back to our company area, where we were dismissed for the rest of the afternoon.
We had just completed our rifle training the day before, and some of us -- myself included -- had qualified as "Expert," and were awarded weekend passes -- the only allowable weekend pass from basic training.
It was a Friday, and they did let us go, but that was a long wait in the Newark Airport, to get a free standby flight home. I made it eventually, and it was good to get home, but there was that same sense of shock everywhere I went.

howard 11-23-2003 21:11

Randall and Jerry -- I have to add my own recollection of being in Mr. Hardesty's 7th grade science class, drawing a picture of a battery, when Jenny Smith came back from the nurse's office to tell us that Kennedy had been shot. I was so traumatized that I (obviously) remember every single detail of that afternoon. My mom was volunteering as a library aide, and I ran down the hall into the library when they dismissed class, throwing myself into her arms and sobbing. She walked me to her car, crying herself, and exchanged a sorrowful glance with the vice principal. He just shook his head.

I wrote in my diary that night: "Why? Why? Why?"

Sunny 11-23-2003 19:42

Teekay,

You mentioned that powerful feeling of things remembered. It seems so strongly connected to the human sense of smell, somehow. I believe the French have a word, ennui, the definition of which covers that feeling. It seems odd that we have no English equivalent of it, because it is quite universal. I have often felt a pang of "ennui" so strong that it is barely endurable. Yet, with no proper definition, I cannot really say if it is that. But I must ask, what else can it be? If the English language has neglected something so dramatically tangible, can there be an even more overwhelming feeling we haven't a word for, and "ennui" is actually something else, a lesser phenomenon? It would make for an interesting discussion among writers, that.

I must adress Mel, and tell her that I haven't been insensitive, at all, about the loss of her father. I have pondered your loss, Mel, and I feel badly for you. I hope the future is a better time for you.

Early this week I have a date with the woman who knows, in the most literal terms, that the best way to a man's heart is through a catheterization tube. She is my favorite Irish lady, Dr. Sullivan. She has been there before and no doubt will be going there again, soon. She looked at the results of my thalium stress test last week and called to invite me in for a chat. I reminded her that I was turned down four years ago by the Surgeons for a triple bypass, so she explained that she wants to talk about new advances that have been made since four years ago. It seems that there are some new hardware devices that they haven't yet put inside me Maybe they are going to replace the doorknob they inserted in '99. I jest, of course, but it sometimes feels like there's a doorknob in there. I am sure she has some such thing in mind, at any rate. Have you ever noticed that doctors don't call you in unless they already have something in mind? I am sure we are not going to discuss partisan politics or the beet crop in West Texas.

I risk adding this weight to the NB, especially at a time when there seems to be so much weight of a medical nature, but there is an old saying that if one wants something done, one gives the task to a busy person. Now, I don't want anything done, of course, but there seems to be a parallel to that, when there is much health news of a weighty nature, weight being another thing that Dr. Sullivan is sure to remind me about. Speaking of which, I must now dine (while Dr. Sullivan is not looking.)

Later, you lot.

gariess 11-23-2003 18:11

Congratulations to England and Australia for a fantastic game of rugby. Both teams deserved to win the World Cup, but that little genius called Jonny Wilkinson made the difference. I was happy that the cup came to the Northern Hemisphere- European Union-England. But what was really moving was to see the sportsmanship and fairplay of all those wonderful athletes of both themes.

Jon is still drunk (of joy) for the England's win and cannot come to the Notebook. He asked me to do him that favour. So here I am in all my splendour. Kisses accepted.

Pussy 11-23-2003 7:46

RACHEL - if you like snow, come up here, we got over eight inches of the white crap. Did get it all cleaned up though, now the car and pickup have paths to the street, a path to the garage where I park the snowblower is clear, as well as a path to the garbage cans. Oh well.

If I were younger, think I'd have made a snow man or maybe played fox and goose, used to love that game, and snow ball fights, they were a blast, then there was a trip to the vacant lot where the City hauled all those huge chuncks of compacted snow, we made super forts out of those things, and the tunells we dug through those snow banks, it's a wonder we didn't die in a collapse or some such accident. On year the snow was so deep, we dug a huge six foot deep pit in the snow (just reached the ground) then took turns falling backwards down into the pit, the snow in the bottom cushined the fall, it was nearly as fun as a carnival ride.

It's snowing again up here, guess I may need the blower again in the morning...

Randall - I was in the sixth grade when Kennedy was shot. We were out on the playgrounds, I had just found a warm spot in the corner of the school, where heat escaped from the lunch room and kept me a bit warm, it was a bitterly cold day as I recall, when a friend came running, he was crying, told me of the shooting of our President.

I don't know that anyone who wasn't alive when Kennedy was in office could understand the love for that great man. The press told us it was a return to Camolot, and nobody know of the President's illnesses, or his flandering from where we stood he was the greatest president who ever lived. He stood alone before our feared enemy, the Soviets and turned them away from Cuba, he told us to "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country and we believed it to be the greatest words ever spoken.

When he died, it was as if we lost a parent, even our parents shed tears. We were told to go home and watch the history unfold on the televison, and we did.

Yep, I to have been watching all the "news" on the History Channel, each entry into "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" trys to show a different conspiricy. One said it was Johnson, another it was the Mafia, another, it was members of the durg underworld, another said Castro. I doubt that we will ever know the truth, and I doubt we would believe the truth if we heard it anymore, too many folks have said too much crap, mostly lies about the whole thing but they do have a point. If it were a conspiricy, the folks involved had to be very highly placed in the government.

Jerry 11-23-2003 0:21

Randall

Good evening gang...

I was sixteen and home alone watching a soap opera that fall day. Diagnosed with Hepatitis, I developed a yellow tint and a doctor ordered me quarantined. A full semester of my junior year in high school was awash. Not really "sick" in the true sense of the word, and with both parents working I had the house to my self. It was noon and a freshly cooked hamburger awaited me. I settled in the chair and began to watch noon time TV, a CBS station from Dallas. From that position, except to eat, use the bathroom, and sleep on the couch I strayed not for three days. In those times the family TV was only on short periods of time. I don't believe it was turned off for a week that month.

"Three shots have been fired at President Kennedy's motorcade," an voice said. At the words a developing sense of politics matured. I was aware that there had been trouble in Dallas in the months previous to that fall day. Someone shot at a radical army general. A visiting Adali Stephenson was assaulted with a sign during a protest. A full page add in a newspaper assailed the visiting president. Right wing activists ruled the day.

On a beautiful fall day the wife of Texas's governor Nellie Connally turned and said to President Kennedy, "Dallas loves you Mr. President."

Only seconds later a lone shooter or a group of men fired and we all became aware of how ugly the world may be. So now the question seems not so much who but why? To accept that just one man could cause so much sadness is almost impossible to understand. So we reach out. Develop conspiracy theories. Was it CIA? Rogue CIA agents? Inept Secret Service agents? J. Edgar Hoover? Rogue FBI agents? Anti-Castro? Pro-Castro? Communist KGB agents? Mafia intrigues? Rich Texas oil men? Poor Texas oil men who wanted to be rich? Vice-President Lyndon Johnson? Ex-VP Richard Nixon? The industrial/military complex? Dallas police officers? Pro-Vietnam American generals? Stepping in from left field one report said Oswald was simply a poor shot. He intended to kill Governor Connally, who was once Secretory of the Navy, because Connally would not grant him an honorable discharge from the Marines!! And my favorite...French dope king pins, tied to the CIA through the Mafia, acting on revenge for the assassination of the Diem brothers in South Vietnam through North Vietnam intelligence officers???? I'm really surprised that no one has concluded that the person behind the affair was Marilyn Monroe, miffed cause Kennedy ditched her! MY GOD! Bill Clinton look out!

(Sigh)

It's slowly coming out. The answers. Oswald's mistress in New Orleans had an hour on the History Channel. A tell all designed to throughly confused who the real Oswald was or wasn't. LBJ's mistress stepped out, claimed she had a son by LBJ! Told the world LBJ knew about the assisination attempt and said nothing. Guilt by admission I suppose.

"Murder will out," old Bill Shakespear wrote. Or was that Roger Bacon? Develop your own theory...

Night

Randall

Randall 11-22-2003 22:23

Hi All,
RHODA: I dreamt last night that you and your hubby came for a visit :-).

RACHEL: Lucky you!!! The way the weather's going here -very erratic, we could get snow for Christmas.
Although the last 2 days have been rainy and miserable and I'm not real sure how I'd cope with a Christmas where everyone was stuck inside.
It looks good on the movies, and I've fantasised about it for ever, but I think the reality would probably kill me.
Maybe I just need a bigger house :-)

I think it was very decent of the Wallabies to allow England the game *GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR*

Going...
to a kiddies birthday party.

Teekay 11-22-2003 16:12

OH MY GOSH!!!!!

Guys, it's snowing at my house!!!! I can not believe it. We hardly ever get snow, least of all in November. I've got the biggest grin on my face. I so want to go for a ride on the horses in the snow. I think that would be awsome! Right now it's just the least bit of fluff falling from the sky, but you wouldn't believe the excitement and screaming that errupted in my house when it was seen. I swear we all noticed at the same time (laughter). I know that for a lot of people on the NB, snow is not big deal, but for me it is, so just try to humor me ;o)

Ciao for now.

RDRKO

Rachel 11-22-2003 14:11

**Taylor**

Howdy all...

Seems I've picked up this bug again... Sketching on the back of scrap paper at Karoeke & jotting down notes of any ideas that come to mind.

How are you all going anyway? Good I hope

Taylor 11-22-2003 5:30

Weatherman is wrong again! We now have snow up to our ankles but it's comming down so fast you can't see the christmas lights on the house across the street. The wind is beginning to pick up from the twenty miles per hour it's been all day to up around forty miles per hour, maybe a bit faster. It will soon be a real live blizzard, and I have to go to bed and miss it.

Drat!

Oh well I can look at all the pretty white snow as I struggle with my old snow blower to make a path to the garbage cans and clean the drive way.

The turkey is well done, smoking went well despite the white crap falling from the sky, so Thanksgiving will have the added spice of a smoked turkey that will share the platter with the roasted one that we have each year.

Night all.

Jerry 11-22-2003 0:59

Boy, you lot sure partied hearty while I was abed. Don't think I'm going round picking up all the pooped party poppers.
(I don't know what you call party poppers - I'm talking about those little cups and you pull a string and it pops and tiny rolls of coloured paper explode out.)

PAMELA: I'm sorry. I didn't realise you were after advice. I usually have a plethora of advice to give away totally free, but when it comes to ways to earn money and be happy at the same time, well, if I knew, I'd do it myself.
Writing seems an awful slow way to do it - at least to begin with, but you've already had a book published, so you've broken through the hard ground.
I think Agatha Christi had the right idea - a book a year.
Or market gardening sounds good - if you like gardening.
Or maybe cottage industry.

BTW: Your daughter sounds very bright. (Not counting the male folk here or my hubby (sometimes) or Doctor Phil.)

MEL: I thoroughly empathise with your having to let the farm go.
My Nanna's house was sold to a naturapath, but it will always be my Nanna's house, where my childhood was happiest and memories that will never fade were made.
There are times, far too few, when I can be walking along and the faint indescribable scent of my Nanna's garden will come to me for just a fleeting moment and conjure up all those memories, then the nostalgia will kick in, that bittersweet ache for things past.

This isn't meant to sound depressing, just understanding.

GARIESS: I know! I know! (frantic waving of raised hand at the back of the class) I remember lots of little bits and pieces over the years, much as I remembered where you hailed from before reading it in your most recent post, and the answer to your question to LITTER is no, they are not related.
And I'm only butting in and telling you because LITTER is likely to miss your question.

Roight, I'm orf then.

Bew ella ndh aveawon der fuld ay.

Teekay 11-21-2003 16:43

LITTER,

Thank you for sharing the pictures. I think I could understand cuddling the baby rather than writing or posting on the Notebook. All are good things to do, but you have your priorities in the right place. Your grand-daughter is beautiful.

Rhoda 11-21-2003 12:06

Thanks, all, for your insight into what I should do to get out of my present occupation. Well, okay, you didn't actually do anything, but seeing it written down helped me make a decision. Write a book or sell a marketable skill? Hmmmm, I think I've gotta go with the latter. I've been an architectural designer since I was a girl building model houses out of shoeboxes and shirt cardboards instead of playing with my ready-made dollhouse. While I do think my book idea is good and would sell, it could, like my first, just garner a modest advance and income, not necessarily enough to quit my job. On the other hand, although only open a couple of weeks, my design efforts resulted in the sale of a whole-house remodeling plan for $1000. BTW, Teekay, I made a copy of the check to save before depositing it. I'm going to wait until spring (here, not in that upside-down place) since no one is thinking about remodeling during the holiday season, but I will definitely re-open my design firm then.

Mel, I'm glad you are able to be happy for your dad even though you will miss him from here. I'm really sorry about your having to sell the old farm you have such fond memories of.

Litter, I'm so jealous, I want grandkids too! Well, my daughter just met a guy she likes, the first one in a while (at 22, she thinks guys are generally stupid, perhaps due to where their brains are located at that age), so maybe other good things will follow.

Jerry, ah, yes, those wonderful "lids", just $10 for a whole ounce, talk about the good old days!

Randall, I think Bush II performed admirably after 9/ll, it's his actions since then that are being questioned. And as a Texan myself, I don't see him as the hunker down, straight-talking type (which has gotten me in trouble often enough), but as a spoiled rich kid used to having his own way.

Howard, I'm sorry Andria's baby didn't make it to term, with all the medical advances they are making, I hope they come up with something to help women who have such difficulties. At least they have made a lot of progress with preemies, so hopefully Kris' baby will join you all soon. BTW, you look really good for such an old fart :).

Love to all,

pamela 11-21-2003 11:12

And MARK, it's pronounced Ustraylya.

tsk, bloomin' Umericuns, carnt evin tork proply.

:-D

Teekay 11-21-2003 5:29

Hi All Again,

GARIESS: I am forgoing the purchase of the exclusive, highly desirable beachfront property I've had my eye on in order to hang the cheque on the wall.
Nevermind, I'll buy it with the next one HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*SOB*

Anyway, truth be told, it would probably cost more in bank fees to change it to Aussie currency.

RANDALL: It's a known fact that Isaac Newton, discoverer of the gravitational force was American.
Australia does not have gravity.
American's have gravity because without it they would fall off the earth.
We do not have Jerry Springer and we do not have Ricky Lake.
This is because there are no people with blood rushing to their heads here, besides, most of us would be wa-a-a-ay too embarrassed to go on national T.V and do that sort of thing -even for money.
But, most importantly, we do have Big Macs :-).

LITTER: She's gorgeous!

HOWARD: I'm so sorry to hear that. Seems your lot are going through a pretty rough time lately. ((((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))) for Andria.

Going....
It's 9 pm and I'm sure I should be doing something other than this.

Teekay 11-21-2003 5:11

lid?????

Lid????

LID - wasn't that what we used to call a baggie of pot back in the good old days of war and protest??

Wait, no war and protest, that's today right????

No, it was the 60's right???

Wait, is it the 60's???

Must be the pills or something?????

Well that weatherman who was eating his hat last night was wrong again, or so he said tonight, now he says we'll be getting five to eight inches of snow. Sure wish he'd make up his mind, and me with a turkey all ready to smoke in the morning.

I don't know if any of you still watch the TV, but I have it on for background noise and that DAMN SUNDAY, SUNDAY Dodge Ram commercial is getting on my nerves. It got so bad tonight that I threw my cane at the blasted tube. Too bad I'm such a bad shot with a cane, the TV lived and the commericial is on yet again as I type.

That's it, I'm going to bed and play with the box the kids came in.

Night all

WRITE ON!!!

Jerry 11-21-2003 0:11

Litter,

I suppose if I had known your name is McLaren, I would have aked this question a long time ago. Are you, by any chance, related to Philip McLaren who used to post here? It may seem to be a big planet for such a possibility, but this is a small NB. I am assuming your name is McLaren, because I looked at the pictures of the baby (very nice, by the way) who is named McLaren.

gariess 11-20-2003 23:56

Teekay,

Very good to hear about your check for the story. Can you cash a check and then put it on your wall? It seems one would have to surrender the check in order to have the money. Rather like that old thing about eating the cake and having it, too.

Somebody mentioned Australians or raised some question in regard to same. I hope this will not be percieved as some sort of strange discrimination, but I have found that the Australians I have met here in the NB have always been interesting and stimulating.

Here's a question. Why would anyone with a mining company want to spam this NB? How much mining business does anyone expect to pick up in here? When was the last time anyone ordered a few thousand tons of ore from someone they met in here?

Howard,

Did you mention getting something over the counter? I asked my pharmacist about Viagra. "Can I get it over the counter," I asked. He replied, "If you can get it over the counter, you don't need Viagra."

I guess you were speaking to the engaging Natasha/Lid when you asked about the substance being abused. I see that some have taken exception to certain references to American traits, real or percieved. Somehow, I fail to become aroused over being maligned by people who are as anti-eloquent as Natasha/Lid. I suppose it is because they so effectively impair their own credibilty.

I must welcome Jon. Welcome, Jon. How is Pussy?
(Now there is a question one can rarely get away with asking. Makes you wonder if that's the only reason I asked, doesn't it?)

gariess 11-20-2003 23:42

Randall

Hey!

Hi Pamela...Hi Mel...Sunny...Elaine...

Jerry, nice web site. I heard that Johnny Cash song before, but as all his writings he hit the nail on the head.

Teekay...you know, the darndest thing happened to me today. I was strolling along enjoying life and for some reason, the blood rushed right to my head! (Grin) Which was unusual, cause I usually feel I'm about to float away. Once a matter of great concern this falling away feeling could only mean I'm upside down on the face of the PLANET! Most Texans compensate for the lack of stable gravity here in two ways...vote the liberal ticket (for that warm fuzzy feeling) in elections or gobble down enormous amounts of fast food and sugar enriched soft drinks. I'm in the latter BTW. I expect this light, floaty (flatulent?) feeling is, no, not from lack of beam but a seasonal thing that only occurs when Australia is in summer. After all Australia is exclusive beach front property and in the summer a large portion of the population are all wet, in the water that is. What this has to do with anything is beyond me (excuse, while I gobble a Big Mac and double order of fries) I'm just padding the tale. (Grin) However...if the Roo, that is many various animals down that have a pouch, could it be that a little extra weight is needed to secure their position on the planet? Hum...? (BIG GRIN!)

Some rude persons might say that Texicans are light headed anyway what with LBJ and both Bush's as proof via their record as presidents! Not true I pontificate! Well yes, LBJ did leave office VERY wealthy...and yes he might have exerted some influence along that line but old LBJ was well meaning. Let Uncle Lyndon help you. If George #I had said "I'm gonna tax your butt off," instead of "Read my lips, no new taxes," he might have had time to expand his fortune as well. George #2 took a whammy on 9/11 so his historical status is yet to be decided! Understanding President Bush is hard for some people, cause he has that down home, hunker down in the cow lot and talk straight style that most Texicans understand...And what we as a nation need now more than ever.

Gotta go

Randall

Randall 11-20-2003 20:35

PAMELA -- Hi! Thanks! 39? no, it was my 62th. Dorie is recovering from some serious back surgery. I think she'd rather it be that, as she did sprain her back once, and the pain was much worse.

RANDALL -- Several films have done that to me. Probably too many to list. Just an old softie, I guess.

We got word yesterday that our Andria has lost her baby at seven weeks. She's devastated, and we're hurting for her. Our #2 daughter Kris is still hanging on, and is past one critical point, and feeling much better. Both have had problems in the past, and we're thankful for the blessings we have.

LITTER -- Beautiful pictures! Something to be proud and thankful for! Give her a kiss from me.

howard 11-20-2003 20:32

Litter -- she's gorgeous.(I just love babies with hair. Mine were both blindingly bald for a year, but turned out quite well in spite of that ;-) And your daughter looks like the most natural mom! November 11th is quite a significant date, you know. (I met my husband on that day!) Really, 11/11 is a magical number.
My very best to all of you!

Sunny 11-20-2003 20:28

Hi All.

Isn't it amazing how much energy you can put into cuddling a 2-week-old baby? Things seem to have got an awful lot busier of late, but it's different this time – less blind panic and more time to enjoy watching her grow…

Anyway, some pics of the little apple of my eye can be found at http://www.litterali.com/Ceitidh

Busy, busy, busy,

Litter Ceitidh 11-20-2003 19:58

Hi All,

MARK: It's all a matter of perspective.
How about if you guys have it all wrong and............you're really the ones with the blood rushing to your head???? Huh? Huh?

I've seen Jerry Springer.
I've seen Ricky Lake.

I know where the people with the blood rushing to their heads live :-D

PAMELA: Welcome back. Was wondering what happened to you.

Haven't time to catch up on all the posts just yet. Seems it's either feast of famine these days :-)

.....gnioG

Teekay 11-20-2003 17:50

Hey, All -

Just a note to say I'm still here...

ELAINE: Nice poem! Your muse is healthy and hovering!

HOWARD, RACHEL, SUNNY, TAYLOR, ED, TEEKAY, RHODA, PAMELA, and All - thank you for kind words, your thoughts and prayers the last couple of weeks. You are a wonderful bunch of people I'm proud to know! :-]

HOWARD - Belated HB!!! Another year wiser, huh?

TEEKAY, LAURA: Wow!!! Real checks in the mail for writing endeavors! You go, gals! You're so inspiring... now if I could just make more time to write my own stuff...

PAMELA: Indeed, at my father's viewing, I had the distinct impression that my dad's spirit had already SPRUNG from its earthly shell and zoomed ecstatically into the next world, a far better place than this - I'm happy for him. :-)

CHERI (You out there?): If I were already published, hauling in the dough by wheelbarrowfuls due to my literary fame (yeah, right!), I wouldn't have to tell you now... my siblings and I had to put the ol' homestead up for sale... eight acres of heaven on earth with an old farmhouse needing desperate repairs and empty of things now but still full of love and memories... sigh.

I will write tributary story settings for that old house, its wandering gardens, and the fields that were once home to a horse, among many other indestructible memories...

The muse has gone lyrical and is writing a song about the old place too...

Now if I only had time to sit at author's keyboard or composer's piano... maybe over the long Thanksgiving weekend next week...

I've run out of elipses..

A great day to all!

Mel 11-20-2003 15:13

Speaking of spirituality, I just finished reading Mitch Albom's "The Five People You Meet In Heaven". While I agree with others that it could have been better written, I still have to say that it really touched my heart. I recommend it for anyone who wants to feel better about why bad things happen to good people.

Sunny 11-20-2003 12:03

{Pamela}

Hey guys, I'm ba-a-a-ck! I haven't been absent due to writing, unfortunately, but just dealing with life's general bummers, trying to curb my homicidal tendencies at work, etc. Some good has happened too, my brother is still here with me and we just found him a house to rent a few blocks away from mine. He is moving from Alaska and I haven't seen much of him for the past two decades so it is great to have him here, but it will also be nice to have my tiny house to myself again. I'm determined to get out of the restaurant business now that all such work sucks; it used to be that if you had a crummy job, you could always find another, and I liked the flexibility that restaurant work provided. Since corporations have taken over, however, they all have us lowly-paid ($2.13 per hour) servers doing work that used to be done by kitchen people, leaving us hardly any time to take care of customers, the primary source of our income. Now I have to decide whether to try to get back on my book (which I still have a great deal of faith in) or re-open my architectural design business, which got off to a wonderful start but closed almost immediately when the insurance company that was supposed to help me get into another occupation ripped me off and suddenly cut off my assistance (I know you all will find that hard to believe). On a positive note, if I DO kill someone at work, I can probably get off on an insanity plea, since a doctor and therapist both said I shouldn't return to restaurant work. Just kidding---or am I? (Evil laugh)

Teekay, you crazy Aussie, big congrats on your first writing payment, however small, I know that feels good!

Natasha, some of us here would be interested in hearing about your supernatural experiences but your lack of punctuation is distracting; if you are in university, presumably you know how to capitalize the proper "I"? Using "i" instead is sooooo high school.

Howard, I gather that Dorie has a sprained back, I hope she recovers quickly and completely. You DO know not to put a red shirt in with whites, don't you? And happy belated birthday, 39 again?

Sunny, good to see you and thanks for the writing tips, I'll read that more carefully later and hopefully develop some good writing habits while dealing with life's hardballs.

Jon, I think bonny Prince Charles is getting quite enough kisses, thanks very much :).

Mel, I'm sorry for your loss, I'm sure you will miss your dad. But remember that he has "died" only from our point of view, really he has just left and gone on to another place, all a part of life.

Peas and love,

pamela 11-20-2003 10:44

Hey, y'all!
Sorry I haven't stopped in for a while. I've been so busy with school work and such. Actually, that's why I'm on, I need to find information on Crohn's Disease. Do any of you know anyone who has it? It would be great if I could get a couple of first hand experiences. If you find any information on it, could you send it to lvw_euph13@yahoo.com ? I'd really appreciate it.

On a lighter note, i have another poem for y'all to read.

Plea to My Muse

An empty pen
A wayward muse
Has left me dry
I've no more use
I need an idea
Fresh and with drive
With some spunk
That says "alive!"
But my muse has left me
And I'm all alone
Looking for the meat
And finding the bone
"My muse come back!
Give me consideration
I need you quickly
For some inspiration
Fill my pen
With ideas and dreams
And my paper with words
Just give me the means!
Maybe a shortie
Something short and sweet
Or possibly a poem
That has a steady beat
Maybe a novel
Possibilites are endless
But I need you, muse
Don't leave me friendless!
By contract, you're mine
Loyal companion and friend
With the perfect beginning
And just the right end
So, just once more
I give you my plea
I want to write
Please, come back to me!"

Copyright: Elaine @8:25 pm 11-12-03

Well that's all from me for a while. I'll be back to check on things. See y'all later!
Till Niagara Falls!

Elaine 11-20-2003 10:10

"The Civilized Male" Chapbook
Over the next two months I will be accepting submissions from short story writers, poets, artists, and photographers. The Chapbook will be published in February 2004. This opportunity is for both published and unpublished men and woman. This is a great opportunity for the unpublished to get into print and get paid for your work. Please e-mail an inquiry of interest to "The Civilized Male" Chapbook at william_hagan@excite.com

William Hagan Williamhagan.com 11-20-2003 5:50

Drive-by-post

RANDALL check out the link below, you'll love it.

Weatherman is eating his hat tonight, seems the two foot of snow he predicted is now to amount to a trace....\

think we need a new weatherman.

Jerry Flag 11-19-2003 22:41

gee sorry all,
sorry about my bad hair day at least now i have some more insight into who was trying to make contact.i'm glad to be here i coulndt stop thinking about the s**** that i wrote and how stupid i feel.I should not have stereotyped all americans your right about that, its just that i couldnt figure it out ,and i do realise that there is good and bad in every race i got e.mailed from some guy in a refugee camp with his missus and kid. so sorry about that jay but why that country?I mean why are you refugee in that country why not america?Ive never worried about money i was raised in a low income family .i'm feeling very dubious about this guy and i dont want to end up in any sort of trouble. i've been warned about viruses and how people use others to hack into each others commputers and use there e.mail addresses. I trully hope that this is not what this is all about.I would like to share my spiritual experiences if anybody is writing about the subject I dont think i would like to write a book myself though I am still trying to learn how to write university essays again I am very sorry about my outbursts I am always up front or what people here call straight up.And friend that's terrible how did you get caught ?Buy for now.

lid 11-19-2003 22:01

It's all that being upsidedown, blood rushing to yer head kinda thing.

I've never been to Owstraylyuh, but I've seen an Owstraylyun movie.

Mark 11-19-2003 21:49

Randall

Evening gang...

Boy is it nice in Texas! Jerry, temps are in the 70's, bright clear sky, fantastik!

Eddie French...amen to strange! I just wish some of these folks would stay around...at least control their thoughts...and offer a little more info rather than indulge in some weirded out cyber speak. Attempts to seek new forms of written communication usually fail because there is really nothing new under the sun. Still....

Howard... movies that make one cry.... interesting. When I was young John Wayne's movie ALAMO did. (To this day I cannot listen to Green Sleeves.) Most Texas lads cried when OLD YELLER had to be shot. Darn skunk! As an adult???? Well ... (pause) I saw a TV made movie one time with Richard Harris. He, I believe, had a pet goose? He took a small boat to help at Dunkirk when the Brits were forced to evacuate in 1940 (1941?). I believe he died and the goose circled overhead and then flew away. Bawled big time over that. Then, when the "good sergeant was killed in PLATOON as the helicopters flew away leaving him to die. Very bad scene. I try to stay away from movies like that. I have only been able to watch parts of the Mel Gibson movie WE WERE BOYS THEN (?) Too many bad thoughts of Vietnam. No, not what I did, but what I didn't do...

Glad to hear Dorie is up and around... I told my lovely spouse that once after a period of declining health (25 years) "Honey, glad to see you up and around."

She grabbed my lapels, jerked me up and snarled in her charming Ma Kettle voice. "I'm not round punk! It's time for you to knock off the fat jokes and take out the trash you weinie!"

Women, huh? (GRIN)

Jerry...my son in Minot has a computer now. Still can't get much communication out of him!!! He goes to a border town in Canada with his buddies, drink and party. (Sigh) Well, I can't be judgmental cause when I was in the Navy I did the same thing..., ah, in the South Pacific that is. Still, I wish he would do as I suggest rather than do as I did. I asked him what the base did when weather closed in. He said ... weather was not a factor and their operations went on. Which makes a lot of sense... "STOP THE COUNTDOWN! HOLD THE BOMBERS! It's starting to snow now. Our response will have to wait for clear weather! Inform the president!"

BTW... did anyone see that ex-general who is running for the democratic nomination (can't remember his name) weird out the other night. The day before he commented that the war in Iraq was a side-show. When the newsman asked if that was fair to the men who have died there, General what's his name freaked out! Big time. Said he never said that! Gave me the willies. Just who we need for president! An officer like the mad general in DR. STRANGELOVE ... General Jack D. Ripper!!! Emotions too close to the surface and quick on the nuclear trigger!

Better split...my wife read the mention of her earlier. Hold the war! Storm clouds coming!!!!

(GRIN)

Randall

Randall 11-19-2003 21:32

Hello, cats and people!

After a period of happiness in which I read thousands of books and wrote two volumes of a most intimate diary, I decided to get a broadband Internet connection and see how life has been treating my Notebook friends. I'm glad that all of you are still alive. Here's our program for the near future:

1. Stop all kinds of wars immediatelly. Okay, until next weekend.

2. Read everything we can about the wonderful poetry of the Arab world. It's really very good. I also love their architecture.

3. Watch the great match England vs. Australia on Saturday. It's rugby (not soccer unfortunatelly) but it's the world cup final. Sport is the best way to dissipate our natural frustration for not writing that masterpiece we promised to write and which we have been procrastinating . Well, it's time to write it right away.

Jon 11-19-2003 16:04

Hi All,

MARK: Why do you think they/he/she are from over thisaway?
If it's a spelling thing, then England has the same spelling.
If it's anything else, why then, I oughta.....

HOWARD: That's wonderful. Bet Dorie can't wait for the day she can do all the laundry and cooking and so on, by herself :-^

Thanks all for the encouraging words. Almost threw the cheque out yesterday while sorting through a pile of junk mail stuff -it's not worth a whole lot monetarily, but it surely do have deep sentimental value :-).

Ggooiinngg..................................

Teekay 11-19-2003 15:39

Strange people Around here lately
:¬)

Eddie French 11-19-2003 15:00

TEEKAY,

Congratulations on your short story. I am sure that first check will always be special indeed.

NATASHA or LID,

I think in the midst of your post, you took a few slams at Americans. I believe you said something about ignorance and arrogance being some of our characteristics. I was not sure, because you do not use punctuation and express yourself very well, so I was do not know whether or not to be insulted, being that I am an American. Having only your post to go by, I would conclude that ignorance is by no means just an American thing.

Well, today is a good day, and I refuse to receive any slights, real or perceived, from your post. Perhaps you are just having a bad day. I will just be thankful that I am not poor JAY who has somehow earned your disdain.

Rhoda 11-19-2003 14:47

I just finished watching THE TWO TOWERS, extended version. It rocks!!! I cannot wait to see THE RETURN OF THE KING.

Rhoda 11-19-2003 14:25

**Taylor**

Mark: If Natasha is an Aussie... Hope you won't hold it against the rest of us Aussies. LOL

Gabrielle: Please stay. I'm sure you're not as stupid as you say you are. And no offence to the others in here, but we're not as smart as we seem at times.

Tammi: Welcome.

Teekay: Congratulations on the payment.

Taylor 11-19-2003 11:22

you guys sound really smart, im stupid so bye

Gabrielle zup 11-19-2003 10:36

Any bets? NatashaLidTammi is from Oz.

Mark 11-19-2003 6:42

RACHEL: I seem to have a problem with the email right now. I guess I have a virus somewhere. Anyway, we just went on strike today--don't ask, coz I didn't like that new car anyway--so I have lots of time on my hands at the moment. I have picket duty tomorrow (just my luck the rotation starts on my day), so if you want to phone me, or me phone you, we'll talk on Thursday.

Ben 11-19-2003 2:15

hi~ everybody.. i m tammi.
i just want to write few words..
New directions of whereabout...
our lives r passing throuh this sophisticated journey of cycle.. seeing the truth of world depens on each one of us....
realizing the presense of this moment suffocates us......
delusions of minds ....
more difficult to arrange the reality than to follow it.....

tammi 11-19-2003 2:11

Ben,

You will need to send me your snail mail address. I have started to review the works that you gave to me. I will return them to you one at a time (not as an act of terror, but simply because I want to get them back to you as I go over them). After you have seen what it is that I have to say, you can let me know if you would like me to drop dead, or send on the next one ;o) Either way I'm cool. Can't say that I would drop dead on request, but you could always ask (grin/snort/wink).

Ciao for now.

RDRKO

Rachel 11-19-2003 0:30

Ok now first off, I realize insanity is simply a state of mind.

I think I'm approaching the border of that state.

Have been FORMATING and SETTING UP computers now for the last four or five days, again, if I ever find one of those little A__ holes who put out those viruses, I may well kill them where they stand!!!!

Enough complaining. I see we have a new member, one who has no idea what writing is all about, or at least wants to make it look that way. What ever, I guess we can well ignore such rantings, much the way many ignore mine when I get on my soap box from time to time.

Rest assured, getting it off your chest, even in a place such as this tends to take the pressure off to some extent, and perhaps, by letting her post here, we are preventing a crime against someone else should the nut crack up completely.

Jon good to see you again, it's always a pleasure.

Howard - Great news, I'm so very pleased things are going Dori's way. The meal sounds great, although my aging system would not permit my sampling such fine foods as the sourkrout despit my foundness of that wonderfully sour treat.

Mark - LINUX is looking better and better as the days go by, perhaps when they get wine perfected so the wife can play her windows games on it, I can introduce her to the simple pleasures of Mandrake.

The weatherman is threatening us with a blizard. Hard to believe since we've had a warm spell of late, in fact it was in the 50's today, and he says to expect the mid to high 60's tommorow, then the storm should start, perhaps on Thursday night, possiably as late as Friday night. Current predictions say we will receive between a foot and 25 inches of the white crap, pushed by winds up to 60 miles per hour, a true midwest blizzard the likes of which we haven't seen in several years.

Funney, I used to dread those storms when I was working, simply because when bad weather strikes the police are expected to do everything for the public, from delivering grocerys to snowed in old folks to delivering babies in cars half burried in snow banks. In small towns, the cops are forced to use the old 4 wheel drive pickup trucks to do their patrol and rescue, well they used to, now most small towns have at least one 4 WD SUV, thanks to the national war on drugs (the Fed says then need them to transport arrested drug offenders??? But it's nice that they get them from the Fed anyhow).

Now though when I can simply sit at home and watch the snow blow by the window, it doesn't seem to bring up the dread it used to, in fact I sort of look forward to it, for the change of pace. I filled our gas cans up today (expensive trip that!) so I can run the snow blower when it's over and open the drive way, and a path to the garbage cans in the back yard. ALso have to insure we have a clear path to the garage so I can smoke the turkey we have thawing.

Randall - big news in Minot - they've had their first murder since the mid 90's (I think that's what the newsman said) no big manhunt though the killer drove to a neighboring city and turned himself in. It was a boyfriend - girlfriend thing. It made the news in both North and South Dakota, along with the story of the young Native American who was killed in Iraq when his Helo crashed.

Rush has returned to the airwaves Monday, I got to listen to him for an hour or so. Missed his show today as the wife got control of the sterio this morning and put on Christmas Music so she could decorate the house. Maybe I'll get him on the truck radio on the way to Bismarck tommorow, we've got to get up there and do a bit of Christmas shopping before the big storm hits, it takes a long time to clean up after one of those three or four day blizzards.

Jerry 11-19-2003 0:25

JON -- Welcome back! I mean it! Welcome!

RANDALL -- Thanks -- Dorie is indeed almost pain free, just tired, and a good kind of aching. like the kind you expect when using muscles that haven't been used correctly in a while. We think she's going to be fine -- as long as she doesn't get impatient and run ahead of the doc and therapist. I let her help me with the dishes tomight. She dried a few and put them away. Then I let her help fold the laundry -- only one load of the three. Even let her help fix supper! We tried a new recipe -- sourkraut with apples, potatoes, onions, sweet red peppers, caraway seeds and brown sugar, with kielbasa. I let her cut up the potatoes and apples. It was delicious! But she gets frustrated because she can't do it all. The next six weeks is going to be rough on her, but she has to understand that she needs to let me carry to load for a while. Otherwise her back is not going to heal properly, and she'll be right back in that never ending cycle of pain and misery.

We just watched "Field Of Dreams" again. I cried again. Always do. So did she.

NATASHA -- ????? How expensive is whatever it is that you're smoking? Can you get it over the counter?

Gotta go write an essay on anthropocentrism.

'bye!

howard 11-18-2003 22:57

.hello it's lid again i'm really sorry i came here this is the last time, i trusted you. You know who you are as well as i do i cant trust you anymore liar please dont send anymore shit to me if you want to know something you should of asked me to my face! I am dissapointed with you ,forked tongue ,two heart, i feel really sad man , man i meant it when i said i've always loved you but am sad at your actions and its broken my heart, i'm not going to have an easy time getting over this i saw your fellows comments running me to the ground and i want to burn the taia but i wont,Its probably not a good idea to ever see each other again corrupter,you are as bad as most not all of your colleagus. see ya in hell!

last time from lid 11-18-2003 21:27

Randall

Hi...

Well ... son-of-a-gun ... Jon, welcome back my friend. And how are Americo and Pussy?

Jack...an evening well spent...

Howard ... I hope Dorie is without pain...

Natasha ... welcome. No one is perfect so your initial post, however incoherent, will work for now. Additionally, our posts may contain a misspelled word or two or three. I know it's hard to believe but most of us believe in and practice capitalization. Proper punctuation is a real plus. Coherence is very helpful. Naturally, formatting counts. Paragraphs are helpful. I'm not sure why, but some people insist on them. Long, run on sentences are difficult to read. Maturity is of significant concern girl. And writers read between words, between sentences, thereby establishing who is whom... Inventing cute little words "fullas" "korero" "papatuanuku" et al reek of immaturity.

Oh, one other thing... GOD AND AMERICA AND AMERICAN ARE ALWAYS CAPITALIZED!

But...that aside...lets hear supernatural...

Randall

Randall 11-18-2003 20:47

Follow up on my earlier message. Well, here goes the spammer. As mentioned, I will attempt to get things rolling on an updated version of the Notebook so I can block specific spammers. Sorry I am a little busy.

Jack

Jack Beslanwitch 11-18-2003 20:45

lianchun yang china jilin shanwei wollastonite mining co., ltd. 11-18-2003 20:36

Just got my extended version of Lord of the Rings Two Towers with 40 plus additional minutes of new material added. Look forward to sitting down some time tonight and going through it. Have been somewhat busy with other things. Hope to get to searching out a php version for the Notebook and additional login and password capacity so that we can block some of the spammers. Other than that, I am beginning to update forwriters.com finally. At least, I have added a donation button. Paypal for now and sometime this week Amazon. However, am beginning to do some writing that is centered around my diving and hope to get some of that up for perusal either here or up on the Workbook. Might even add a few pictures to go with the text :-).

Jon: Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Nice seeing you here.

Jack Beslanwitch forwriters.com 11-18-2003 17:11

Well, Well,Well,
My name is lid. You know i found this website because i was looking for jay yip jay hole the a hole, the whinger who popped up on my commputer uninvited. So i decided to look through all your fullas chat. What a COINCIDENCE i notice alot of the korero was about education the things i discussed wit jay hole the a hole.Yer i love to write but i still gotta lot to learn. Now i dont mean to be horrible but jay was very american to me rather ignorant and selfish , i dont know shit about politicks see i'm always having a moan to god i say "look can ya just get on with it none of us deserve this planet especially those of us living in an amerian based society and if ya dont agree your lying our whole worthless existence depends on burning the non renewable mineral resources of papatuanuku oh yer jay i think you are gay, but ya know thats ok. Anyway me and the supernatural get on well and if you people can tolerate me i can share my supernatural experiences with you all only if your willing though see i cant help kinda feeling pissed off coz that pop up up page led me straight here to people who by the sounds of things share my same interests which i hope is not a bad thing see its not like me to trust people very easily i'm sick of being called crazy . well ya know i cant blame you people if you dont want to know me see i know that the truth hurts and i unintentionally hurt people with it.it's ok to get back to me if you dare ,and i think the site is interesting.well gotta go .bye

Natasha leef you know 11-18-2003 12:17

Hey Jon,

Nice to see you pussy footin' around the site ;o) Hope your internet issues will iron out crisp and clean.

Teekay,

You go girl!

Rachel 11-18-2003 11:35

TEEKAY -- BRAVO!

howard 11-17-2003 20:10

Hi All,

Yesterday got my very first cheque for a short story. I'm going to frame it and hang it next to my wad of rejection slips.

Going...

Teekay 11-17-2003 15:34

Hi Rachel,

I got your email about Pessoa. Thanks. I'm in the process of getting a new Internet connection, experimenting with new software and all that. Boring. I'll write to you when I can (I don't know when but I hope it will be soon).

Kisses to all, mainly to Prince Charles

Jon 11-17-2003 15:18

Hi

11-17-2003 6:13

Hi Laura - good news, there's a workbook again,look at the dropdown menu at the top of the page on the left side. Not the same one, this one's better I think, more orginized, well differently organized at least.

Think I recall a Laura that mostly posted in the workbook back around the time of the online novel, something about a dream??? It's been a long day and my mind isn't all that it once was.

The virus infection still spreads, somehow it got back on my damn network so I've knocked down all the network, the internet access, the works (well except for this machine, and I just reformated it a few minutes ago AGAIN!!!)

If I ever catch that little bastard that starts one of these viruses, I guarantee he'll NEVER reproduce!!!, I'll treat him like the old story about the farmer and the two bricks!!

Jerry 11-17-2003 0:31

MEL,

I am so sorry about your father. Losing a parent is rough. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

HOWARD,

Still thinking about DORIE. I hope the healing is fast.

Rhoda 11-16-2003 22:39

TEEKAY -- Hi! Yes, it was chocolate, and thanks!

howard 11-16-2003 21:56

Hi All :-)

HOWARD: Correct me if I'm wrong, but HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!

May it be chock full of good things and chocolate cake too.

LAURA: Congratulations to you :-)

Going...

Teekay 11-16-2003 15:37

LAURA -- I remember a Laura from way back then. Welcome back! And congratulations on the poem!

SUNNY -- thanks for the pointer to the page -- looks interesting & useful.

MARK -- yes, I remember you had that carcinoma removed. I know it's just a minor thing, but just the word gives one the heebie-jeebies! Now every new spot and wrinkle makes for interesting thoughts...

ALL -- have you seen the new "in the book" search tool on the AMAZON.COM web page? THey've scanned the full text of 150,000+ books (more coming) and you can search for a word or phrase within the text (not just title) of all these books. It's amazingly fast, and returns the word/phrase, and a page on each side of it. Can't print it (copyright) but it gives the source so you can buy or borrow the book/essay/etc. GOOGLE is coming out with the same thing soon. It looks like it will be very useful as a research tool!

howard 11-16-2003 14:38

Well, I got my first acceptance...it was a poem. Nevermore Magazine paid me 5 dollars for a poem of mine. I don't know if you still remember me, I was here when there was a workbook.

Laura Geannitales web ring 11-15-2003 22:37

HOWARD -- 5 or 6 months ago (sorry, I'm not getting up right now to look at the calendar) I had a basal cell cancer removed from my ear -- along with a piece of ear. Plastic surgeon put it all back together nicely. And those actinic keretosis things, last three years I've had bunches frozen off. They lose count. I get billed for 20 because they never really know how far beyond that they went.

Glad it's just muscle with Dorie. Though a sprained back muscle hurts more than a break.

Mark 11-15-2003 15:08

This may be a particularly useful newsletter:

Breaking the Spell:

Making time to write with a day job and family obligations isn’t easy.
Neither are the isolation that comes with the act of writing and the
rejections all writers must face. Often the barriers that stand between
our intentions and our writing seem insurmountable.

When I teach my Get the Writing Habit class, I ask the participants to
make a list of everything they can think of that stops them from
writing. I won’t let them quit until they’ve come up with at least 20
items. Their complaints range from having no writing space to
significant others who don’t understand them. They kvetch about the
puppy that poops beneath their desk and a computer that works only
sporadically. They gripe about mean editors and not being good enough.

Once the lists are completed, together we read them aloud with feeling.
As the rising cacophony of whining, ranting and wailing fills the room,
the whole atmosphere magically changes. When the last lament has been
voiced, we sit silently feeling how we are affected by the experience.
Some say it sets their teeth on edge. Others are queasy. Headaches and
muscle pains aren’t uncommon. A few people feel like crying. No one
feels like writing.

After we’ve processed the power of hopelessness, I have them go through
their lists again and rephrase each complaint as a question. “I can’t
write because my kids always interrupt me,” becomes “How can I get my
kids to stop interrupting me so I can write?” “My computer is ready to
die,” is transformed into “How can I get a reliable computer?”

Once a complaint becomes a query, its nature is transformed. Complaints
trick us into thinking that they are facts of life and that we have no
choice but to accommodate ourselves to them. Queries define challenges
that have solutions.

Before we begin the task of brainstorming those solutions, we have
another group reading. This time, as we voice our questions, the
atmosphere in the room lightens. People sit up straighter. Their body
posture is more open. Hope becomes a tangible presence.

Solutions to situations that seemed hopeless ten minutes before suddenly
present themselves. The parent whose children interrupt decides to try
instituting a system of rewards for good behavior. If that doesn’t
work, then Plan B will be to find a writing buddy with children and
trade babysitting for a few hours a week. The writer with the failing
computer can take it to a repair shop for an estimate. If the problems
can’t be fixed, he can begin doing some comparison shopping.

I’m convinced that complaints are negative spells that freeze us into
hopeless immobility. Hopeless immobility is just a synonym for writers’
block. Questions imply an openness to answers and they thaw our
resistance to writing so that we can once again move forward.

Creative Write:

Try making a list of the circumstances in your life that stop you from
writing. When you’ve finished, do a five-minute free write on each
item. Allow yourself to vent the mental moaning and whining that has
become the soundtrack to your writing life. Check in on how all these
complaints cause you to feel.

Now turn each complaint into a question. Do a timed free write for each
question. During your free-write, jot down all the solutions that come
to mind. Turn off your internal censor. Your job isn’t to judge; it’s
to brainstorm as many solutions as you can.

Begin with one item from your list. Choose a solution you can start
putting into practice today. Go do it.

Writing Markets:

Julie Heath is looking for brief, well-written stories for an anthology
about angelic assistance called Then Along Came an Angel. She’s
extended the deadline through December 2003. Contributors will receive
$25 and a copy of the book. Read Julie’s guidelines at
http://www.juliebonnheath.com/anthology_submissions.htm

Living Stupid: Dumb Things Smart People Do, an anthology edited by
Stephanie Marston, who co-authored Chicken Soup for the Empowered
Woman’s Soul, will be a collection of humorous, true stories. Marston
says she wants stories about the stupid things you’ve done “At Work,
Around the House, At Play, In Love, Outdoors, On Vacation, In
Friendship, With Children, With Your Parents, With Your Pets, By
Yourself, and During Sex.” Maximum word count is 1,200 words and
payment is $100. Send your story to Living Stupid, P.O. Box 31453,
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87594-1453 or email them to samarston@earthlink.net
by March 15, 2004.

Joan Chatfield-Taylor is editing an anthology called It’s Never Too
Late. Seal Press is the publisher. She is looking for stories about
midlife transitions that involve risk and affect relationships with
friends and family. These changes could involve work, personal life,
location or lifestyle. She will consider both new material and reprints.
Payment is $150 and two copies of the book. Submit stories between
1,000 and 5,000 words to Joan Chatfield-Taylor, 2066 Green Street, San
Francisco, CA 94123. For complete guidelines, e-mail
joanct@earthlink.net. Please put the words Never Too Late in the
subject line of your message.

Chicken Soup for the Recovering Soul wants stories from people in
recovery. This anthology pays $300 for the stories they accept. The
deadline is February 2004. For more details, go to
http://www.chickensoup.com/

The Wall Between the Names: An Anthology of Poetry, Prose and Creative
Nonfiction about the Vietnam Era is seeking work from people who were
impacted by the war. The editors are looking for pieces by
non-combatants, refugees and vets who came home when the war was still
being fought. Submission guidelines are posted at
www.onceuponastory.com.

There’s Always a Story is looking for 2,000 to 3,000 word short stories
and travel essays. Those that are accepted will be read aloud and
distributed to spas and hotels as a guest service. Writers will receive
$250 for each accepted piece. Find out more at
www.theresalwaysastory.com.

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Good Writing!

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Sunny 11-15-2003 13:10

Howard,
Had one of those things removed a couple of years ago. Coincidentally, it was right next to my right elbow.
It was done with Local Anesthetic and took about 10 minutes in the doctors surgery. It's really no problem if you don't look. Came back clear anyway.
Good Luck.
Ed

Eddie French 11-15-2003 6:48

Look at that, I screwed up copyright, again. I don't know why I keep doing that.

gariess 11-14-2003 17:26

Howard,

I do sympathize with you for all your medical problems. I wish you and Dorie well. Medically speaking, we do not improve with age.

So, copywrited? Does that offer immunity to redundancy and overexposure... and redundancy and overexposure? I wouldn't consider it a missed opportunity for you, however. There is still vegetable, beef barley, and minnestrone. Heavens the list is practically endless. Personally, I am considering copywriting something in the chowder line. Possibly Oyster Stew for the sole (filet of.)

gariess 11-14-2003 17:24

GARIESS -- That whole "Chicken Soup" thing is copyrighted, and they've had pretty good success with the various target categories. I thought it was a pretty good idea myself, and wish I'd thought of it first! :-)

I was on my way in to school yesterday, and almost there when Dorie called me on my cell phone. She was crying, and in pain, so I turned around and headed back home.

She had turned to do something, and felt something "pop" in her back, with immediate sharp burning pain. I got home and got her quieted down, and gave her the pain meds and muscle relaxants to ease things. She doesn't like to take them at all, but she did then, and they helped. It was apparently just a muscle spasm -- the doc had warned us about them -- and it's settled down now, and she felt good enough to go into town with me this morning. My turn at the doc...

Now I have to go back next THursday to have something removed from beside my right eyebrow. He's certain that it's a basal cell cancer, and he wants to remove it and send it out for biopsy. Then he found a couple of small cysts on the back of my neck (they've been bothering me for a while) that he wants to remove also. He doesn't think these are cancerous, but wants to be on the safe side. It never rains but what it pours! Or something like that..

Not really concerned about it, but it does make one stop to think...

--

From the "Kids Say the Darnedest Things" category:
Our daughter and son-in-law in AZ were eating supper the other night, and four-year-old grandson Stephen choked on something (not serious, just coughed). Kris -- who is preggers and having chronic heartburn problems -- asked "Did it go down the wrong pipe?"
Stephen just looked at her, and thought for a minute, then asked "What color are our pipes?"
His dad said he didn't know -- it was just a saying.
Then Stephen put on his "lost in thought" face, and just sat there considering. After a few minutes he opened his eyes and said "I think I know, 'cause I just saw them. Daddy's and my pipes are light gray cause we're okay, but Momma's pipes are red 'cause she's got heartburn!"
His Dad asked how he knew that, and he said "'Cause I just closed my eyes and saw them."

howard 11-14-2003 15:49

I thought I would take a minute to get critical, here. When I say critical you know I am talking about myself. If someone else were to do it, they would be just plain mean. It's about this recurring post by someone who represents "Chicken Soup for the..." something or other. My problem is with the ripping off the "chicken soup" deal by all kinds of bandwagon jumpers since the whole chicken soup thing got started in the first place. If I am not mistaken, it was CHICKEN SOUP FOR THE SOUL, or some such thing and I can't think how long ago it was. Since that time so many "Chicken Soup for" things have come along that I would think anyone would shudder at the thought of such an originality deficit. The next time I see "Chicken Soup" I hope it's on a menu. Chicken soup for LUNCH.

Earlier I was bored and I got the idea to go looking through the NB archives. I went back randomly to a couple of years ago. There was a time when there seemed to be a discussion about some sentences, and different people put their oars in. I read one of my posts and I was astounded. I thought, My God, did I write that? I didn't even know I knew that. Wow, I had no idea I was so smart. But then I saw some other stuff I put in the NB, and I thought, Wow, what a putz. I never knew I was so dumb.

gariess 11-14-2003 1:05

Ok, one more time, this time with feeling!

I had this long boring post all typed up yesterday, and when I hit the enter, I got that damn "page not found" error, and when I hit the back arrow it was gone. I simply threw up my hands in disgust since my whole week has been like that. Not that I'm complaining, things could be worse.

Found a virus on my computer last week, right after I reformatted because of a damn virus so I reformatted it yet again. Haven't even got it all put back together yet when the daughter comes over with her computer under her arms, has a virus on it, reformatted it for her. Then the wife's computer started acting funny, she found a stupid virus too.

Now you may think they were all the same viruses, but not so. I could blame the anti-virus programs, but the wife and daughter have Norton, I had Macaffe's didn't catch them till they'd done their damage.

SO the daughter takes her computer home a couple of days ago, it comes back again today, she had another infection, this time Norton and a special removal tool took care of it, or so I thought till she took her machine home and got back up to check her email... ANOTHER DAMN Virus! I told her to let Norton run while she's at work and see if it can clear it up.

Meanwhile a buddy drop's off two of his machines "kids got viruses" he says, so I low level format the machines for him and set them back up with his software.

WHEN WILL IT END??

Howard - Tell Dorie I'm think of her, and that it gets better day by day.

Eddie - went to that site, kind of eye opening. I guess I've always thought, like I suppose many do who don't live in the area that England should just get out of Ireland and let the Irish settle the problem, but then if Northern Ireland has been part of your country since the 1200's that doesn't seem practical, I mean we've only been a country since the 1700's and I know full well that we'd put up quite a battle should Canada decide that we should just give them Maine since it's quite far north, and after all they have more in common with the folks in Maine then we do here in South Dakota.

Strange how things look so very different from afar.

I see Yang has paid us another of his wonderful chalky visits, wonder how many orders he gets out of his drive-by posting.

I put a little short story in the workbook, but after I hit the post I began to see the errors so disregard it, I'll do a bit of work on it if I get time between all the damn computer fixing and virus killing. (Sure would like to get my hands on the little nerd who writes those damn things, after this week I'd probably kill more then his viruses!)

I'm dreaming of a Linux system, but I know I could never make the wife and daughter give up their games....

Now aren't you glad I got that error yesterday?

Jerry 11-14-2003 0:40

Dear Friends:

I am currently putting together a literary anthology of contemporary love letters and emails (submissions information page below). I am hoping to get letters from a broad range of peoples, varying in age, ethnicity, background and orientation. With this project, I hope to show that love is just as much uplifting as it is devastating, and to commemorate the beauty of the human soul, which is at its most eloquent when expressing love and loss. Please pass this email along to anyone you know who may be interested in submitting. Thank you!

Julia

The Untitled Contemporary Love Letter Project

Words can so often express ever so eloquently what we can not say, face to face. In the realm of love, both at its zenith and its nadir, the human soul is often laid bare and raw as one expresses the truth of one’s soul to another on the page. In a time when the written word as an artform seems to have been replaced by alternate forms of communication, I believe that our hearts and souls still thrive through the inktrail of a pen on paper or as text left behind by a pulsing cursor to be transmitted through the infinity of cyberspace, and though we express ourselves in our own unique way, the experience of love and loss will be revealed to be upmostly universal.

This is a call for submissions of authentic love letters/emails to be included in a yet untitled literary anthology. I am looking for a wide range of people, both in ages, backgrounds, ethnicity and orientation.

Subject matter for these letters/emails include but are not limited to:

--the reveal of feelings

--confessions

--break ups

--separations

--recounting memories

…or basically any kind of correspondence in which one person is truly baring his or her feelings or soul to the one they love (or in some cases, used to love). The tone of these letters can range from happiness, loss, anger, betrayal, hope, regret, bittersweet, etc.

Email/letter exchanges between two parties is highly encouraged, though a separate release form must be completed by both authors for publication.

Please email submissions to juliashih@msn.com (put “love letter anthology submission” in the subject line) and include a short description of the circumstances/relationship surrounding the letter(s). Release forms are available by email request. All submissions chosen for publication will require a signed release form. All material will be strictly confidential, reviewed only by me, the editor. Submissions will not be returned so please do not send originals. Not all submissions will be included in this anthology. Only submitters of letters/emails that I am interested in will be contacted.

Best of luck and I look forward to sharing your experiences with the world!

-Julia P. Shih (juliashih@msn.com)

Julia 11-13-2003 18:26

Teekay,

I'm looking forward to it :o)

Take care you.

RDRKO

Rachel 11-13-2003 11:53

RACHEL: Mission accomplished. It should be there in 10 days max.

Teekay 11-13-2003 1:04

Hi All,

RACHEL: Just another example of my annoying procrastinatory habits.
I PROMISE I shall send it today!

MEL: My condolences to you and ditto what TAYLOR said.

HOWARD: Me too, am keeping you and Dorie in my thoughts.

ALL: Well the pitter patter of tiny feet has come to our household once again, this time in the shape of a 9 week old doberman puppy. Within 10 hours of his being here he has thoroughly wormed his way into each and all of our hearts.

Have a great day all, and if you're not up to that just have a peaceful one.

Going...
to the post office.

Teekay 11-12-2003 15:29

Mel,
Sorry I missed your earlier post.
Had to backtrack to find it. Thinking about you.
Ed

Eddie French 11-12-2003 15:02

Mel: Sorry to hear about your father's passing... Hang in there and take care of yourself to. Don't forget we're all here for you, I'm sure I can speak for everyone on that

Taylor 11-12-2003 14:19

Hey Howard,

I wanted to let you know that I'm keeping you and yours in my good thoughts.

Heather are you out there? I keep thinking of you. I know what hard work it is to seek a publisher. I send you some hugs.

Teekay, I never got that thing that you said you were sending off to me. I guess the mail takes a long time from Auz to Can.

RDRKO

Rachel 11-12-2003 11:28

SUNNY -- I'm making chicken stock (and soup) this afternoon! Just finished boning some chicken breasts, and I always save the bones, etc for stock. Then I can the stock in the pressure canner so I have good stuff to use when I need it for cooking.

I just received this in an email, and it's great fun -- especially if you like horses! Wait until it loads, then click on each horse and listen to them sing. Get the timing right, and it's great! Click them on and off separately, and sing along!
http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf

or
http://tinyurl.com/2d8m
(if that long one doesn't work)

howard 11-12-2003 10:49

Mel, my heart goes out to you at this time of sadness. I'm finding Thanksgiving to be a very difficult time to plan for. You're right to celebrate his life, especially through his writing, but don't forget to take time for the necessary moments of grief at his loss. They come so unexpectedly.

Litter, congratulations. How wonderful to have a new life to cuddle.

Howard, don't forget to cook lots of chicken soup for Dorie and yourself!

Wishing you all some sunshine to make it through the darker days. :-)

Sunny 11-12-2003 9:27

Mel,

Who needs a warm drink, when I have your beautiful words (hugs to you). I will embrace the idea of you writing out his stories. I think that is fantastic! I saw a flicker of your father in your words. That poem has punch. I think you should use it as an epigram to his works that you will bring to the page.

I give you good vibes and wishes that all will be well with you at this time.

Take care you.

RDRKO

Rachel 11-12-2003 0:44

MEL -- I'm saddened to hear of your Dad's passing -- our prayers go out on your behalf.

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Hi Jerry,
(The rest of you just talk amongst yourselves for a minute)
I thought you might like to take a look at this site. There is a good diary section posted by a platoon commander from the Light Infantry. It does a good job of outlining the problems we faced back then. Try to imagine that you were posted to another State in the US and had to put up with this sort of situation and you will get a good idea of what it is all about.
Ed

Eddie French NI - Small Wars 11-11-2003 16:39

Mark,

Back in the late sixties there were a couple of radio personalities on a Boston station that came up with one of these things on a daily basis. I know "things" betrays an uninformed manner of telling, but I confess I don't know what these are called, or it would be more accurate to say I don't know what name refines or modifies them sufficiently, because they are stories.

This one is from an old ball player who told of a pitcher from a visiting team named Mel Famey. On a Sunday afternoon during a heat wave the home boys were playing against Famey and his bunch when one them got the bright idea to send a couple of cases of beer to the visitors dugout, it seemed he remembered that Famey had a considerable weakness for the stuff.

By the end of the sixth inning Famey was so wobbly that he walked in enough runs to lose the game, since the relief pitchers were no more competent even in a sober state. The home boy put a special emphasis on the part where he mentioned "...we would never forget the beer that made Mel Famey walk us."

This Bud's for you, Mark, you deserve it.

gariess 11-11-2003 0:23

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Stephanie Marston, 505-989-7596
Kill Date: March 15, 2004

LIVING STUPID: DUMB THINGS SMART PEOPLE DO
Do You Have Funny Story?

Have you done something that was dumb but really funny? We all have. And now Stephanie Marston, Co-author of Chicken Soup for the Empowered Woman’s Soul is seeking stories for Living Stupid: Dumb Things Smart People Do. Now you have an opportunity to contribute to this new series by sharing your humorous, true-life experiences.

What makes a good Living Stupid story?

A Living Stupid story is a humorous, true story, that tickles your funny bone or makes you laugh out loud. It’s a story about something you’ve done that later makes you smack your head and laugh at yourself. (It can even be a funny story about someone else.)

Chapter headings will include dumb things people have done At Work, Around the House, At Play, In Love, Outdoors, On Vacation, In Friendship, With Children, With Your Parents, With Your Pets, By Yourself, During Sex. Anecdotes should be fun-loving--the more outrageous the better, but keep it clean and “printable.”

If you have a humorous life experience and would like to be included in Living Stupid: Dumb Things Smart People Do, send your story to Living Stupid, P.O. Box 31453, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87594-1453. Please keep a copy of your story, as submissions cannot be returned. Or email stories to samarston@earthlink.net. (We prefer emails!) The maximum word count is 1200 words. For each story selected for the book a permission fee of $100 will be paid for the rights. There are no limits on the number of submissions. Stories must be received no later than March 15, 2004.

PS: You can write your story anonymously is that’s more comfortable!!

stephanie marston 11-10-2003 12:45

Hello to all of you -

RACHEL - so glad you caught the little she-hee-hee. Hope you had cocoa to warm your frozen toes!

LITTER - Congratulations, Grand-da, and hugs to the sweet wee one.

HOWARD - Dorie has been in my thoughts and prayers - I had after-pains from my hip surgery too, the back re-learning to straighten itself is a gruesome feeling. Tell her to hang in there - soon, she'll feel like a new woman.

I've just spent four days at a statewide conference for librarians - learned a few things, heard a few authors speak - very entertaining, especially Rob Sawyer, who recently won the HUGO Award for his SF novel, HOMINIDS. I liked what he said about science fiction being "philosophical" fiction, the realm wherein we ask "What if...?" and explore the consequences.

Doubly inspired for my job as well as my #1 hobby, I returned home... to learn that my dear old dad was back in the hospital with pneumonia. As we prepared to make the two-hour trip to Syracuse to see him yesterday morning, the call came. My 91-year-old father has passed to the next world, and I shall miss him but will remember the sparkle in his eye as he enjoyed life, enjoyed people, and shared his great sense of humor with those who knew him best. He too was a writer, poetry and short stories, and I hope to transcribe some of his voluminous story notes during the rest of my own life journey.

When I was in high school, my dad wrote a tiny poem anonymously that I entered into a student literary magazine just to see it in print:

"Time flits by
in teeny little patches
as if it were lit
by a pack of burning matches."
-- Anonymous (aka Robert H. Case, my dad)

He was right about the time-thing.
Write your stories TODAY. And keep an eye on the lighter side of life so you may live to the ripe old age of 91 or more. Cheers to each of you - enjoy your day! :-]

Mel 11-10-2003 11:21

Imagine if you will....

A woman awakens. She runs into the cold, crisp morning air in bare feet and silk jammies, her long hair in a mess of curl/wave/disorder as she rushes to the gates, which her horses seem determined to run out of, only to dart away from at the last second, as if the latches on the gates were some sort of demond seed. Feel the frost melting on warm toes, that quickly turn to ice, the way that frozen sand and rock will cut warm flesh. Feel the chill of the blowing wind that comes from through the spaces cut in the trees or where trees have recently fallen wreaking havok on yard and ground, fence and post, to blow against one in ways never before felt. Feel the shot of wind from the kick of horses feet near ones face, the rush of anger and the heat of one punch, through fist and arm that connects with the bull headed animals thick headed jaw (grrrrrrr)! Ohhhhh yes, this is a vegetarian, animal lover before the first coffee (grins and laughter). After this, I called for reinforcement, hauling my wearing husband from his bed. with halters, carrots, hay and grain did we tempt this evil seed of a horse and, at last we did capture her wicked beautiful little self. After that, since we all were chilled to the bones, it was to work. We called for friends, who came with saw and ax. Neighbours came with tracktors (spelling) and with good humor to cheer our hot yet cold selves. We spent the day in hack, chop, burn and haul of rock and dirt. Now all that is left to do is haul a little more rock, a whole lot of sand, some rubber mats, 9 to 10 cubed yards of cedar shavings, make a fence and then it will be time for a little rest and relaxation. I figure another week or so and life will be back to normal around here. Truth be told I'm getting a little worn feeling. Went to see the specialist doc who told me I'm so messed up that he is sending be to a special specialist. Hum, that sounds not so great. Ah well, frig them all, I'm still going to get things done. They can fix the body mess up later (snort/grin).

Ciao for now.

RDRKO

Ben, Mandy, don't give up hope for my crit work. It is on the way and will be in your laps by two weeks after semesters end at the latest. I'm thinking of you both, but thinking of Hop first.

Rachel 11-9-2003 20:10

JERRY: My bottom is essential to my way of life, but I don't wanna talk about that either.
Hee hee.
BTW: I don't really get annoyed at computer talk, I just find it a bit dull (cos I don't understand it) and like to have a bit of a joke with you guys.
You keep talking about them all you like, if I didn't like it I could always skip it.

RANDALL: Ah yeah, I read that, but big deal. If people find out later that it's not for them or LDS beliefs don't mesh with their own then they can leave.
And if they're stupid enough to get sucked in to giving over money or what have you, then maybe they're overdue for a bit of learning one way or the other.
In the article you posted seems to me the other guy was the obnoxious one.
No one's got all the answers, so who really cares what religion people join so long as they're good to others.

And one of the guys who came avisitin' was really cute!!
He was an American boy from over Roswell way and now I know why they send 'em in pairs.
(Marge Simpson laughter)

On the writing side of life:
2nd week, 2nd chapter edit starts today.
Actually, I probably could have done half the mss by now, but.............

Anyway, have a great day all and today I give special thanks to my frriend the computer for without it it I would never know and love you all.

Teekay 11-9-2003 16:05

MARK -- That's it exactly -- she can't sit, stand, or walk like she used to, because the muscles are being retrained back to their 'correct' positions. The hospital therapists had her doing the stairs on the second day after surgery. She does quite well getting into our living room -- three steps down into it, and three back up -- but we don't have a hand rail on the stairs going up to our second floor, so she's sleeping in the spare bedroom on the first floor. Not enough room in the 3/4 bed to sleep two, so I'm still upstairs in the queen-size.
If it gets too cold I'll see if I can build in a railing! ;-)

howard 11-9-2003 13:37

Randall

Oh Boy Teekay!!!

Your query has all the potential fun and games of an unexploded 1,000 pound aerial bomb! Please forgive me if I beg out of that one. I posted an article of Mr. Kirby's in October and it still plays out on Mark and Howard's workbook. So I'll dodge most of your question.

However, from talking with missionaries from both sects I have concluded that the young ones have little sense of humor, know nothing of the historical aspects of their diffuse religions, while older members are engaging and fun to be around. One wonders if, all things being the same, that perhaps Jesus's disciples were folks of little humor but wry and humorous later in life? (If possible fleeing from irate mobs determined to add martyr to your name?)

I post the Robert Kirby articles because they offer insights with humor. Speaking of humor...a friend in Utah, not LDS, told me once to tell Church of Christ members in Texas that their religion were mostly wagon cart Mormons who turned left on the Great Plains instead of keeping straight on to Utah! I casually mentioned this some years later to a woman who USED to be my friend. She was not amused!

A Mormon Bishop in Utah once told me this one... "They have found away to clear thistles from Southern Utah. Oh yes, they pour Jack Daniels on them and Jack Mormons eat ‘em plumb to the ground!" He laughed heartily at his own joke.

(Jack Mormons are LDS in name only.)

Outta here...

Randall "Ducked" Henderson

Randall 11-9-2003 11:39

Litter Congrats on another milestone in life.

Teekay, yes but without computers you and I would never know the other was alive, the same goes for all who visit these pages of wisdom. Even if some find computers boring, if not very annoying (I must admit I get a bit annoyed at mine once in awhile, well all the time!)

Jerry 11-9-2003 0:26

Off chat

Mark 11-8-2003 20:32

OK. Chat on the other screen, catch-up on this one.

Litter -- Congratulations to you, your daughter, and granddaughter.

Howard -- One step at a time, eh? Cate goes to a chiropractor every three weeks. There's always a day, or part of a day, after an adjustment when she's uncomfortable. The body gets used to holding itself in odd ways. Changing back to normal usually feels bad. Can't imagine how much change there must be in a body that had two bad disks over a long time.

Gariess -- You heard the long tale of medieval times in Alsace-Lorraine? The border river between two feuding kingdoms became the home of a great monster they called Yellow Fingers because of its finger-like appearance as it rose from the river to drag down any knight who ventured across. Yet, from either side the king could send a page boy safely across. Thus the common wisdom: let your pages do the walking through the yellow fingers.

Jack -- Wow. Bad news about the diving gear. On the PHP thing, I have some time. Let me know what features you want, I can do some leg work (finger work, actually).

Mark 11-8-2003 20:31

8 p.m. new york standard time . Am in chat. Will hang for a while.

Mark 11-8-2003 20:06

RANDALL,

Nice article, and I identify after living six years in the four corners area of New Mexico. I had at least two people whisper to me the question, "Are you LDS?" There was a great social/cultural divide between LDS folk and non LDS folk there. It was unfortunate, but nonetheless true, and we would have all been happier if we dropped the code words and admitted it. I was often mistaken for Mormon because I have big teeth, good complexion and am a clean cut conservative type.

Rhoda 11-8-2003 19:26

Hi All, :-)

RANDALL: Maybe you can help with this. I get the feeling that Mormons and Jehovas are somehow different from the 'normal' religions.
Now, I've chatted with a few and I just don't get what the problem is.
Do you know?

Teekay 11-8-2003 16:34

Randall

FYI... This might apply to all religious convictions?

Kirby: ASKING THAT DELICATE QUESTION
Robert Kirby

Tribune ColumnistBy Robert Kirby
Salt Lake Tribune Columnist

You meet someone for the first time. You like them. They seem to like you. You have loads in common. But in Utah there is a delicate question begging to be asked, a query that could spoil everything.

Sooner or later, one of you just has to say it out loud: "Are you LDS?"

Comes now that nervous moment when the response could go either way. By this I do not mean "yes" or "no," I mean someone choosing to twist themselves into a snit over it.

The question may be asked for a variety of reasons. Maybe you only want to know just how much you have in common. Possibly, if you're an idiot, you want to know who to avoid in the future.

The last time anyone asked for my religion was on TRAX. I overheard a couple across the aisle wondering out loud when they should get off to see the Salt Lake Temple.

"Four more stops," I said. "Can't miss it. Gray building. Looks like a super-sized Alamo. Gold angel on top."

During the following conversation, the couple tentatively asked if I was a Mormon. I told them the matter was sometimes much debated but, yeah, I was.

"Then maybe you can explain some things for us," the woman said, and proceeded to ask questions that proved they were nice agnostic tourists.

I am never offended by the religion question. It takes far more serious probing into my personal affairs to really bother me, stuff like a mugging, a colono-scopy or an IRS audit.

For some people, however, religion is deeply personal. Inquiring what faith they practice is tantamount to casually asking if they are wearing a diaper, something that should never be done even if it's obvious that one (or both) need changing.

I understand the question from a Mormon perspective. If one social question can save another a hundred questions, or possibly a social gaffe, why not ask it?

Knowing that someone is LDS -- although certainly no guarantee -- answers potential future questions about alcohol, coffee, smoking, ice cream, swinger sex and sometimes politics.

But I can also understand the issue from a non-Mormon perspective. Nobody feels like being judged if the person doing the asking is Mormon, and the answer is "no."

I have seen that smooth look of superiority that comes over a person's face when they find out that you aren't a member of the "correct" faith. I have also seen that superior look arise when people find out that I'm LDS.

It is an issue fraught with peril. So, we dance instead of ask.

Locally, we look for all the stereotypical Mormon clues: big teeth, conservative look, mid-calf shorts, neat hair, CTR rings, garment lines, etc.

But it's getting harder to tell who is and who isn't. Lots of clean-cut Republican-looking people who aren't Mormons call Utah home. And there's no guarantee that the tattooed and pierced weirdo next to you isn't waiting for a mission call.

I know, maybe we should wear nametags. Or not. Thinking that we already have each other figured out would only further prevent us from actually getting to know each other.
-----
Salt Lake Tribune columnist Robert Kirby welcomes mail at 143 S. Main St., Salt Lake City, UT 84111, or e-mail at rkirby@sltrib.com.

Randall

Randall 11-8-2003 12:48

Randall

Hi gang...!

Stephanie ... ah, no not really anything to send. My life is a total bore and not much happens around here. Just a minute...

"Honey ... HONEY! The darn hogs are in the house again! WHAT? I can't understand what you're saying if you don't stop shouting. Well, close the bedroom door and get dressed! Shouldn't be naked this time of the day anyway. Save that sort of thing for the night! (Snicker) Just don't take after them with the shotgun. Last time that was a REAL SWINE disaster. Well ... there's a bag of corn on the floor next to the whiskey still in the bedroom. ON THE OTHERSIDE OF THE HOG! NO! NO! THE HARLEY! THE MOTORCYCLE! Stop screaming! They can't open the door. Well, they probably just want to come in and say hello. Jeeze, all they can do is look anyway. I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW MY PARENTS WERE MARRIED! Honey, listen to me! Sprinkle some corn the floor they will follow you out the back door! Just don't let'em get in the sour mash again."

Jesus H. Christ! I have to think of everything around here! Nothing worse than a bunch of drunk hogs stumbling around the den trying to work the remote control, channel surfing. Just like a bunch of men, want to see some woman naked, drink whiskey and watch Saturday afternoon football!!!

OH HELL! Now the mule is at the front door! Anyway Stephanie, guess I'll pass on the offer. Best of luck though.

Randall

Randall 11-8-2003 12:22

LITTER -- Great News! Give Katie a hug and a kiss for us!

Dorie is gaining steadily, and is about ready to tackle the stairs today. She had a confab with the doc, and he said that it really was much worse than he had anticipated. Evidently the herniated disk was impacting the nerves to both legs, and that's why she is feeling so much pain now -- the nerves/muscles are being returned to their proper state after so long a time in disarray.

This just in from an Efriend:

How Much Information? 2003 [pdf]
http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/research/projects/how-much-info-2003/

The research study documented on this site is a continuation of a study
conducted in 2000 that estimated "how much new information is created each
year." The results of the most recent study, which were published on October
27, 2003, show the approximate amount of new information stored on film,
magnetic, optical, and print media in the year 2002. This figure totaled
five exabytes, or five billion gigabytes. Different kinds of information
streams are also analyzed, consisting of radio, television, telephone, and
the Internet. These electronic data flows accounted for nearly eighteen
exabytes. Comparisons to the previous study are also drawn. The full report
of the study can be downloaded as a 112-page document or viewed online.

------
and I have trouble locating stuff in the phone book!

howard 11-8-2003 11:52

Congratulations Litter... That's great news!

Taylor 11-8-2003 7:34

I Can't say how impressed I am with the quality of the jingles, today. I have friends from Worcester, who moved here to retire (many folks from Worcester retire to the Cape, because Worcester is such a good place to be from.) I can't wait to tell this jingle to them. I suppose I should print it, but I don't think they are familiar with rorcesters, and the like.

You must understand that the Worcester of which I speak is of the Massachusetts variety. I have no wish to offend an allied nation with my remarks about the quality of life in a Worcester of which I know nothing. The one I do know of however, is a place of inestimable dreariness. As a good freind used to say of Worcester, Massachusetts, "I spent a week there, one night."

The place of which I speak is normally pronounced as though one was saying "wuss," as in "What a wuss," and adding "ter." So I know I will only confuse people who are likely to read "rorcester" as russ-ter, rather than as roos-ter. Whatever the case, it is a great jingle and it should amuse my freinds, quite thoroughly, as almost anything should amuse anyone who spent the better part of a lifetime in that unremarkable city.

Of course, what can one say about the frog and the bank teller, it's purely classic material. I'll be humming that one in my head all night.

Gariess 11-7-2003 20:42

HOWARD: I GOT IT! I GOT! Right off too. Well, nearly.
Best wishes to Dorie. This would be a good time for a massage.
Just take yourself down to Gorgeous Gretels and she'll see you right.
:-D
Yeah, I know, probably not as funny as I think it is.

JERRY: I GOT IT! I GOT IT! Only I don't feel quite so clever this time :-D

LITTER: Congratulations.
But being a Grandparent doesn't necessarily make one as old as dirt.
It's state of mind does that.

Going...

Teekay 11-7-2003 17:16

And winter is upon us. It comes so suddenly that one's head spins. Two weeks ago we had all the windows open and most were complaining that they had shut down the air too soon. Last week at this time, I did the final mow of the lawn (didn't know it would be the final!) and put down the winter fertilizer to give the grass that extra boost when spring comes. The next day, six inches of snow, the following day another two inches, over the last week over twelve inches of the white crap. Had to get the dang snow blower out to make paths to the garbage rack, garage and clean the front drive, then had to clean a path so I could start the lawn tractor and put it in the garage for the winter, that after moving my smoker out of the way.

But it's all done, we put up the plastic just three days before the first snow when the temps were still in the high 70's. Ah but this is God's country and we all love it for what it is. The last major crime here happened over ten years ago when an outsider who was passing through killed one of our local cowboys. Before that it was twenty years ago when my dingy twin cousin's killed their husband, and would have gotten by with it since the old fart was nearly 90 had one of them not bragged about it while in the County Jail for rustling sheep.

Ya it's nice, quiet, peaceful and wonderful, if a bit boring at times, but we love it. Had a cowboy get drunk and bash up a bunch of cars that were parked at the bar the other night after his girl friend broke up with him. He's cooling his heals now in the county lockup, and will have to give up most of his next couple of years wages to pay for all the damage. BUT it did give everyone something to talk about, heck that'll be good to keep the jaws a bouncing for the next two, three weeks at the coffee joints and bars.

New cafe/nightclub opening up tomorrow, think I'll take the wife to the grand opening. It's in an old grocery store building, quite large, and the grand opening menu has just two entries, shrimp scampi, and prime rib (I simply love prime rib!)

It's great to see any new business opening, and in fact we've been blessed these last couple of years with new businesses moving in, nothing large but businesses non-the-same. Their filling the empty buildings that stood so sadly and watched the world go by. The State came by a couple of years ago with a huge wrecking ball and took down the ones that had fallen to ruin, parking lots now grace the building sites, and nobody seems to think there will ever be buildings there again, but hey it's nice to be able to park without worry.

Have five pounds of beef curing in the fridge, will smoke it up tomorrow to make jerky, one of my favorite treats. Sure am enjoying my new propane smoker. The temp is supposed to fall below zero tonight but warm up to the twenty's by noon, that should be warm enough to keep the smoker going strong in the garage ( I keep the big door open to let air in and smoke out ). So my day is planned for me. Today was taken by AS_ H_les who make viruses, found one on my machine, one on the wife's and one had managed to get on my internet server. How that happened I have no idea since I had just formatted the damn thing yesterday and put a new install of windows on!

DEATH TO VIRUS MAKERS!!!

Write on...

Jerry Ericsson Me 11-7-2003 0:30

A frog goes into a bank and approaches the teller, he can see from her nameplate that her name is Patricia Whack.

"Miss Whack, I'd like to get a $30,000 loan to take a holiday."

Patty looks at the frog in disbelief and asks his name.

The frog says his name is Kermit Jagger, his dad is Mick Jagger, and that it's okay, he knows the Bank Manager.

Patty explains that he will need to secure the loan with some collateral. The frog says, "Sure. I have this," and produces a tiny porcelain elephant, about half an inch tall, bright pink and perfectly formed. Very confused, Patty explains that she'll have to consult with the bank manager and disappears into a back office.

She finds the Manager and says, "There's a frog called Kermit Jagger out there who claims to know you and wants to borrow $30,000, and he wants to use this as collateral." She holds up the tiny pink elephant. "I mean, what in the world is this?"

(you're gonna love this)

(it's a real treat)

(a masterpiece)

(wait for it)

The Bank Manager looks back at her and says...

"It's a knickknack, Patty Whack. Give the frog a loan. His old man's a Rolling Stone."

Jerry Ericsson me 11-6-2003 23:42

Hi!
Not much time to do anything for a couple of days now -- Dorie is home, but hurting. The muscles that weren't bothering her before are now screaming as they readjust to their proper position.

A friend sent me this limerick today -- EDDIE and LITTER will probably get it right off, but some may not. (that's a clue)

There was a young lady from Worcester
Who dreamed that a rorcester sedorcester.
She awoke with a scream,
It was only a dream,
A spring in the mattress had gorcester.

howard 11-6-2003 23:16

Sorry I have been a little out of touch. However, kind of bumbed due to most of my dive gear getting stolen out of our car this past Saturday. Two regs, my prescription mask, dive computer, fins, dry gloves and more. Will try to get up the energy to hunt up a good php guestbook for replacement here in the coming week or two, but have been somewhat sidetrapped by the above issues. Take care everyone and hope they are well. Congrats to to the upcoming grandfather.

Jack Beslanwitch 11-6-2003 21:11

Hi All,

Very quick note – I'm now officially as old as dirt, and a grandfather of but one short day. Ceitidh (Katie) Jane McLaren arrived at 2.42pm GMT, a perfect, beautiful little girl. Mother and child came home after only 6 hours and both are doing fine. (My wife is a midwife, amongst other things…)

Back when things are a little less hectic.

Litter 11-6-2003 17:56

Teekay,
Yeah.....That happens to me all the time, only with me it's the &%^$£%^^%$". that matters really.

Eddie French 11-6-2003 15:15

JERRY: Yeah, but they were long posts about compZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

:-D
Will check out oyur story tomorrow and now I'm going to bed.

RANDALL: Jeepers, it wasn't even anywhere near as bad as your making it sound.

The most anmazing thing happened to me today I was &%$# **^^& **&^^* and **^^&^*))()* then (*(^&*(&^^()+)(&* and then I _)(&(*()**&^^$%%#@$^&.

It was hilarious.

Okay, now I'm going to bed.

Teekay 11-6-2003 6:08

Geeze Teekay you must be having a bad day, we only had two posts about computers.

You're right about my workbook halloween story. I tried to beef it up a bit and repost but it just wasn't in me, so I wrote a different shorty, put it in the works in progress section. Named it simply "The Call".

It's not a war story but a little peek into a small town cop's worst call catagory. I based this on a real happening, I wasn't involved it the real call but heard it first hand from the responding officer way back in the mid 70's it the sort of thing even hearing about echo's in the darkness as you lay in bed trying to convince sleep that it's ok to take you away from it all for another night. Oh in the true story, the officer made the "other" choice.

Jerry 11-5-2003 21:45

Randall

Hey!

Teekay...

Simply put, The Cowboy short story was a disaster. Stern up, bow down it sank flying the flag of mediocrity. I had the product in my mind but the transmission was faulty. It WAS stiff and for some reason the darn thing took off and I could not maintain control of the story or flow. That happens to me sometimes. I should have followed my original process of writing where I am observer rather than participant. I was hoping it would die a silent death but for your sharp eye. (GRIN) And I thank you. I will not be hurried and rushed again as I was in The Cowboy. I proof read and it seemed lacking and stiff. I changed a couple of things ran it again through spell check, then grammar check, proofread a couple of times...missed one glaring error... Maybe it was just lazy on my part...

However... as per the BTW at the end...one very scary night 30 years ago I did see something that scared the bejesus out of me. My brother and I were drinking wine, sitting in my 1969 Dodge Super Bee watching for a ghostly light that sometimes appears on a dirt road. I had seen the light before and it was a quiet place to sit with friends, listen to music, and guess at what exactly we were seeing. And drink. Called the White Light it sometimes flashes brightly at various levels moving across a small dirt lane north of town. I looked out the drivers side window...saw an apparition of a cowboy hanging by the neck from a tree...one spur sparkling with the reflection from bright moonlight. It a lot less time than it takes to write this sentence I started the car, popped the clutch and screamed down the road with elan ... actually, we it call BOMF. Blast Off Mother F@#$&%! My brother freaked out, not at the ghostly figure that he only glimpsed but the 100 MPH I reached before he could talk me into slowing down!

I WOULD NOT and WILL NOT go to that spot again.... No way! Was it the wine? I would hope so, because what I saw was not of this existence.

Night all

Randall

Randall 11-5-2003 21:21

TEEKAY,

I have followed the discussion. I just do not have anything to add, because now I do not care about the stuff, and like you, I have a husband who discusses political things often enough.

On top of that, I have some interesting neighbors, and I get a daily amount of genuine adult conversation. You would be surprised how much a difference that makes. When I go days on end, and the only adult I talk to is my husband, I rattle off at the mouth or at the keyboard at the first opportunity. Thank goodness that situation has changed somewhat, and I have more socialization. It makes me a more rational human being, I think.

SHAR,

I write historical fiction. Actually that is a very nice way of saying that I write lurid historical romances. Lurid historical romances are technically historical fiction, but you would be surprised at the looks I have gotten when I have made the mistake of discribing my work as "romance."

Rhoda 11-5-2003 19:57

SHAR: A hale and hearty welcome to you.
It's very quiet in here and that's because MARK & JERRY have sent most people into a coma with their computer talk.
I have a semi immunity because my hubby talks it all the time.
And RHODA just got in from writing probably so yours was the first post she read.

Hoo boy, don't I just love that Nike slogan 'Just Do It', I say it to myself ALL the time, and one day real soon I'm going to start listening :-D

Like RHODA asked, tell us what you like to write.

I like to write a mixture of stuff usually short stories.
At the moment I'm on the last legs of a mss which has been in the works for about 2 years - ugh, it makes me cringe to say it out loud.
I've finally set myself some deadlines and that seems to be working so far.

The story is a very light and airy one, bordering on the ridiculous and it's all very simple.
I have an adversion to research so most of this is what I know and that ain't much.
Like I said - it's simple. :-)

Teekay 11-5-2003 16:57

Welcome, SHAR. Sounds like you have the writing bug bad. Glad you found the Notebook. What sort of stuff do you write?

Rhoda 11-5-2003 13:15

I love this site. Its my first time visiting here and I will come back often. I've been sitting on my writing for years now and need to do something about it. I love to write, i always have. I've put it away for years, but its like eating something that continues to come back, over and over again, something telling me like Nike-JUST DO IT. So here I am, DOING IT, ONCE AGAIN. I hope to met a lot of nice people here and more than that, learn a lot that will push me to go on.

Shar 11-5-2003 12:22

Hi All,
HOWARD: Don't you know torrow never comes? :-D
Guess you're really excited.

RANDALL: Good one. There were a few bits of dialogue that seemed a bit rehearsed, but good one nevertheless.
Didn't know if you were after a critique or just sharing.

MARK & JERRY: Do go on. I'm all ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzCLUNK

:-D

Seeya's later, Alligata's.

Teekay 11-4-2003 19:11

Mark - wow, three months without a reboot, must be running Linux!

My son is trying to talk me into setting one of my old 400 MHZ machines up as a Linux server, but I haven't had the time to mess with it yet.

I have no idea why I would need one, but it might be a fun project. What falavor of Linux are you running? I have several flavors on CD, I guess I sort of like Mandrake the best of those I've installed, I dowloaded SUSE the other day but haven't set it up as of yet. Used to like Red Hat years ago when I was playing around with it on the old 486's, and I have version 9 of that brand set it up once to look at it, it looked like fun but then I wanted to try and sell that machine so I put Windows 95 on and took it up to the second hand store, it sold right away too. Sadly the second hand store closed it's doors last week so I guess I can do about what I want with the old machines I have left in the back room. I donated several to the famlies of the National Guardsmen, but it seems that all who needed machines to email their husbands/sons/daughters now have them.

Jerry 11-4-2003 10:15

JERRY -- Yup, the Workbook was down at that time. What bugs me is that I couldn't look at my performance meter; it tells me the status of the CPU, memory usage, and how long since startup. I think I was running close to three months without a reboot. Pretty good for an amateur webmaster. And I use this machine for my own projects, too. It's my own project stuff that caused me to need a reboot

Mark 11-4-2003 6:40

teekay - it seems I mislabled it when I posted it, it's labeled "a war story"

Jerry 11-4-2003 0:44

Randall

Hey!

The Cowboy
By Randall Henderson

Trickham, a small town not twenty miles from Brownwood has a heritage of old west cattle drives. Hence, it's very name is a play on the words ... "Trick'em" ... given by prank playing drovers who no doubt needed a little humor after eating dust and viewing the south end of north bound steers for days on end. There is not too much to the town now ... but for kids on a dare or adults seeking thrills many visit late in the night ... hoping to see "The Cowboy."

"Anything cooking for Halloween?" George asked Friday morning as he signed for a starter I had delivered.

"Not that I know of." I answered giving him his copy of the receipt. "Deputy Dewright made a believer out of me last year."

Red Britches snickered from his reclining position on George's "nap" cot in the corner of the shop. "And so you will go sit home and watch the TV while life passes you by."

"All right Red Britches, what will you be doing to spice up your life. Aside from a little wine?"

Red lifted his lanky carcass off the cot. He ran a hand through a mop of hair that looked like it had just exploded. He peered at me through bushy eyebrows and grinned. "When is the last time you went down to see Cowboy?"

George glanced at me. He shook his head no. A tingle of fear tickled the nerves on the back of my neck. "When?" I answered trying to judge the implications of an out right lie. " ‘Bout twenty years ago Red."

"Did ye see him?" Red asked.

"Uh, no we didn't see anything."

Red stood. He bent and scratched Black Baby, the shop Lab, as he crawled out from under the cot. Red looked at me and George, a mental question heavy in the air.

"Sure what the hell?" George laughed. But it was a forced laugh I thought. "Lets go. Randy, Red be here at ten and we'll drive to Trickham."

"Cowboy is a myth." I said as we bounced down the narrow, dark ranch road hours later. "Dad said it was an old boogy tale from back in the 20's. Said it was just a stretch of road where guys took their dates so they would sit real close."

Red, riding shotgun in George's wrecker twisted the cap off a bottle of Gallo. I had the hump, cause my legs were shorter than Reds and it was George's wrecker. Black Baby tied securely on the flatbed, kept sticking his big, bony head in the sliding back window and licking my ear. Red offered the bottle, but I declined. George eagerly took a draw as I held the steering wheel so we wouldn't careen off the dirt lane. Friends...

In the reflection of the windshield I noted Red shook his head. "Nope. Now I'm not saying your dad was all wrong but there is a historical note here..."

George giggled. "Hysterical note probably."

"No. No, George. I researched the old town of Trickham and in the summer of 1886 there was an incident on a cattle drive. Just south of the town a nighttime poker game ended in a shooting. Two cowboys were killed by another...who in fact by published depositions was cheating them at cards. Too far from the county seat and behind their schedule, the owner, C. C. Woodson from San Antonio ordered the offending cowboy hung that same night."

I had never heard this tale before and said so.

Red sighed. "It's in the Ballinger newspaper of July 1886. No one pursued the matter cause old C. C. was an ex-state senator and very powerful. And the cowboy was cheating at cards and one of the men he killed in the gunfight was Woodson's own nephew."

"So they hung this guy?" George asked as we bounced through the night.

"Immediately. Then hours before dawn moved the herd on toward Gainesville. But more bad luck followed. A rider was killed crossing the Jim Ned Creek, another broke his neck when his horse stepped in a gopher hole and threw him. Woodson stopped short of Kansas and sold the herd at a considerable loss in the Indian Nations. On the way home and riding at night to avoid bandits he was thrown from his horse and killed."

"Oh boy." I managed to comment as the silence stretched on. Black Baby licked my ear and I jumped.

"Where ‘bouts was he killed?" George asked pushing his dog back with one hand as I steered the wrecker.

"Trickham. Within a mile where the cowboy was hung."

"Can I have some of the wine?" I asked. My mouth was suddenly very dry.

We finally arrived at the said to be location just after 11:00 that night. George killed the wrecker, dowsed the headlights and night fell on us.

Red whispered. "Next time the clouds clear the moon look to your left. They were camping in that area just about where that old mesquite tree stands."

"Where was that guy hung?" George asked.

"The old mesquite tree. The story says he can be seen turning, twisting in the wind, hanging from the tree."

"Oh God." I murmured chills racing up my spine.

It was a beautiful fall night, a quarter moon. Red and George rolled their windows down. A faint breeze stirred dead oak leaves and they drifted through the darkness. We talked quietly for a while. Red told of his Navy escapades. George talked briefly of his love of painting, something I had never heard before.

I leaned forward to laugh at one of Reds long-winded tales ... something glittered in the night ... under the TREE! A sparkling, twinkling, jewel like object two feet off the ground. It turned, swinging...now bright...now dark...something swinging in the night air...a spur...on a boot.

My eyes lifted upward following the trail of logic...up the leg...to the waist...the rumpled shirt...the head covered with long hair...bent at an impossible angle. I screamed!

George looked at me, then out the window. He shouted. "God damn and hell fire!"

Red jerked forward. He looked and screamed, a high-pitched sound. "Go George go!"

George flooded the wrecker. It wouldn't start. Red was goggled eyed, gaping at the apparition, pounding on the dash. Black Baby was coming...coming I say through the back window. Unable to take my eyes off the figure I saw it was on a horse...now the horse was moving...turning to us...George was bawling..."God damn, start you bastard."

The horse was now facing us. The rider grasped the rope and pulled his head upright! Glaring red eyes, mouth twisted as at the moment of death it snarled. The wrecker motor started. George and I both stomped on the gas pedal. The wheels spun on the gravel, the horse and rider were now loping toward us, the fearsome head held up right by one hand around a rope! Black Baby was in my lap, tail in my mouth, howling. Red was shouting, kicking the floorboard..."God damn I told you so!"

Slowly the wrecker moved forward. The horse was now dead even now, the object astride it heaved a bag at us. It struck the back of the wrecker. Red hollered "SHIT!" and crouched down in the seat. Black Baby was in the floorboard baying. George and I were both holding the steering wheel, his foot atop mine on the accelerator. "Turn on the lights," I managed to shout as the motor revved higher than it had ever before.

Instead George hollered back. "I ain't got time!" he shouted. "Gimme me second gear while I work the clutch!"

We sped down the narrow dirt road and away from the nightmare. George screamed, "Now!" and I shifted the gears. I felt a wetness in the seat. "Red, Red you spilled the wine!"

"That ain't wine." Red moaned his head between his knees.

I know it took us an hour to drive down to Trickham, but only a few minutes to get back to town. We stopped outside town in the parking lot of a motel. Red fell out of the seat landing on all fours. I scrambled out and leaned on the wrecker. George somehow managed to come to our side. He slid down sitting against the rear tires. Minutes passed and no one spoke.

An old weathered pickup slowly turned in the parking lot. It was Slim, Miss Shari's ranch foreman. He leaned out the window. "Ye boys got any peaches to sell?"

We looked up at the old foreman who was grinning.

Slim chuckled. "Peaches, you know Red ... peaches?"

‘Whaaaa?" Red managed to ask.

Slim stepped from the wrecker and retrieved a bag from the back of Georges wrecker. It was the bag the thing threw at us. Slim pulled a peach out and took a big bite. He grinned at Red as peach juice lid down his chin whiskers.

"Yes sir. Mighty fine peaches these." He got back in the old pickup. He tossed a length of rope out. A hangman's noose... "You know Red, what goes around comes around. Night, night."

"Geoooooorge..." I started.

"No, my fault." Red said. "I told Slim in the cafe we were going to see the Cowboy. I guess he thought it was payback for his nickname of Peaches I gave him last month."

George angrily stomped around to the driver's side. "Black Baby move your big ass over! Boys I learned a lot from this. Never hangout with winos and cowboys. It's sure not good for ones heart."

Annnnnnnnnnd with a tip of the hat to Washington Irving...goodnight.

Randall

BTW... There is an old cattle drive town named Trickham ... and I did ... one night...along with my brother... believe we saw the ghostly reflection of a cowboy hanging from a tree limb ... slowly turning ... twisting in the wind of a warm summer night .... as the moon reflected off his spurs. It was then and now a chilling memory and no I have not been back!!!!

Randall 11-3-2003 23:20

Teekay - I was going to go check for directions but it appears the notebook is down for the moment.

I left it in the shorty's section if that's any help.

Ben - no problem, I just wanted you to know that I had my reasons for my opinion. Oh and yes, I want to see the American way of life preserved, probably as much as you want to see the Canadian way of life preserved.

Jerry 11-3-2003 22:35

Pssst - Howard - don't make the bed till you've slept in it, works better that way.

Just kidding, I think it was like six weeks before I moved back into our bed, spent that time in the spare bedroom in a rock hard bed we kept to insure that company didn't spend that many days staying over.

Jerry 11-3-2003 22:30

YeeHah! Dorie is coming home tomorrow - yes, already! I just got home from the hosp, and the doc was in while I was there. He says she's doing fine, and can come home torrow afternoon.
He called her "Metal Woman," because she now has two titanium rods, a titanium mesh cage, and six screws holding her back together.
She's still in lots of pain, but she can moan and groan at home (she said that, not I).
So now I gotta do the dishes, make the bed, and tidy up before morning.

From the department of twisted minds:

For the "Movies that would have been great" list:

Bette Davis plays a speedy hooker from Nome who enters the Iditarod race in hopes of winning enough to save her old brothel, in

"Mush, Mush, Fleet Harlot"

:-)

howard 11-3-2003 22:22

Wow! It's been a long time since I've been here.

Hi all!

MEL AND BEN: I was scrolling down and saw your posts on NaNoWriMo. I found out about it earlier this year. There is also a NaNoWri YEAR. The idea is similar, however, they start on January 1st with three months to write 50,000 words and then take a one month break. Then they write 50,000 in two months and take a one month break and so on. Here's the site http://nanowriye.suddenlaunch.com/index.cgi

I joined the nanowriye but never got the chance to participate. I've also joined nanowrimo for the first time this year. I do have an edge for this...My job ended on September 26th, so I have more time to actually put into writing.

So what did I write for the first month I had off? NOTHING! That's write, er, I mean right. The whole month was nothing but one big mess. My husband had blood in his urine the beginning of the month, he had his wisdom teeth plus two molars pulled on the 9th, the recovery was horrible(dry socket and lots of pain), then he has some kind of attack just when he's starting to come out of the teeth thing. ACK! The doctors still don't know what caused it. We have an appointment for tomorrow morning with the family doctor. My hubby did some research on one of his medicines for high blood pressure and thinks it might have had something to do with it. And on top of all this my best friend's mother passed away.

Well, here's hoping for a more tranquil and more productive November!

Take care all!

Cheri 11-3-2003 21:26

Hi Rhoda.

gariess 11-3-2003 18:48

I dunno, seems that quite some time ago something went horribly wrong with the workings of the cosmos.

I was supposed to be born at Martha's Vineyard!!

What the hell went wrong?!?!?!?!?!

Teekay 11-3-2003 17:25

JERRY: I can't find it.
I looked everywhere, but if it's there I need directions.

Teekay 11-3-2003 17:18

Hi All,

HOWARD: I know exactly what you mean. There's nothing worse than seeing someone you love suffer.

GARIESS: *sigh* Just dropped in from doing a Cape Cod tour. Mmmm, I could almost smell the sea salt.
I wouldn't be in any hurry to go over the bridge - what for?

JERRY: Thanks, shall go have a looksee.

Going....

to Martha's Vineyard.

Teekay 11-3-2003 17:09

I'm not going to get into a big harangue with you about the fate of small town America, Jerry, because it's exactly the same up here, okay? It's the same everywhere. Towns, like people, grow up and die. That's the plain, ugly truth. When whatever commodities there are in the area dry up, the people move on. They're called ghost towns, and yes, it still happens. You want ghost towns, then come up here and look around. For every problem that you have there, we have. Droughts, floods, government mismanagement? I guess the thing about you that bothers me is the attitude--the "Thank God it's happening to you guys so we can catch a break because of what you've done to us over the years...like come on. Give me a break.

People live in small towns because they want to. Their children leave because they don't want to live there. It's as simple as that. It's a generational thing. So yeah, say you hope we 'suffer' through our losses. You don't expect a reply? You expect that maybe I, or anyone else, won't be offended--because that's the way it comes across. Say anything you want, because I'll tell you what, you come across as the "typical" American--unlike most other Americans I've met, you are the cliche. Up here, we think the right to 'bare' arms means you can wear short sleeves if you want to.

So do me a favour, and let's not mention this anymore? You want us to suffer so that you can have your precious "All American way of life", and all I want is for things to be as they were, so I don't have to worry about trying to find a new job at 45 years of age. You have your agenda, and I have mine, and that's where the problem is. You don't care about my problems, and I don't care about yours. You live in a small town with a small town mentality, and it's getting smaller. In forty years, maybe fifty, it'll be even smaller. But we'll all be dead by then if we're lucky, so why worry about it?

If you have anything else you want to add, email me. I don't think anyone wants to hear what we have to say. I know I don't want to waste my time with it. I'll gladly tell you what I think, but I won't embarass you, or myself, with speaking out about it here.

Ben 11-3-2003 15:05

Teekay sorry about that, the namd is :"A Flash In The Darkness"

Jerry 11-3-2003 13:43

GARIESS,

So great to see you back.

Rhoda 11-3-2003 13:35

Gariess - sorry about that, must be old-timers desease or some such malady, it was Ben that I had that comment aimed.

I never explained my thoughts very well however, let me elaborate a bit.

When I was growing up in this very same town we had three car dealers three farm implement dealers, three grocery stores, two auction barns, two drug stores, a large three story department store, five motels, two large hotels, three hardware stores, three lumber yards, six or seven full service gas stations with two discount gas stations, three dentists, two optomitrists, a full service hospital staffed with three doctors and nearly three thousand people living here.

Today, we have a clinc serviced by doctors from a neighboring town, one grocery store, one drug store, one car dealer (owned by an out of town multi city car dealership), one grocery store (that charges half again the going rate for gorcerys), three self service gas station, no dentist, one hardware store, one lumber yard that is in and out of business about every two years) no farm inplement dealers, and about fifteen hundred people.

The reason: low farm prices that forced the small family farmer, like my dad and his brothers out of business, their land bought up by ranchers who converted that rich black land back to prairie grass to feed their cattle. The great farm failure that sparked such things as the National Farmers Orginazation (militant farmers!) and the Posse Cometatis (very militant farmers with guns who killed a few cops back in the 80's in shootouts with semi-auto "assault" rifles) and the likes due to the farm forclosures of the mid to late 80's.

Just prior to the import ban, many of those self same ranchers were seeing an end to their existance much like the black dirt farmers of the 60's and 70's (many who had been on the same land since the 1800's).

Then came the import ban. With that ban, the beef price here went up, I talked with a friend of mine who is an auctioneer at the local sales barn (we still have one of those) and he said he nearly cried at seeing smiles on the faces of those who were sitting at the auction, sellers and buyers alike. Likewise when you go in any store uptown, the sadness on the owners faces that has been present now for several years as they watch their business dry up as the farmers move to the cities to try and make a living, has been replaced by the smiles they had in my youth.

Yes I hope it lasts because it's a good thing for our towns, for our ranchers, and those few family farms, like my wife's brother, who still strugles to keep their family farm alive, the same farm that his grandfather started back in 1903, that his mother and father put their life's blood into to keep afloat in good times when prices were fair, and worked even during the hard times in the 80's when all around them farmers were being sold out by the FHA auctioneres, many of those same farmers killed themselves in their empty barns after the auction, unable to go on after seeing the farm that their grandfathers, fathers had built and they lost when the bottom dropped out of the market.

Jerry 11-3-2003 11:01

Hello, Carol.

Yes, Teekay, I live at Cape Cod. Strange how a small thing like a preposition makes something sound entirely odd. Here, we are used to saying, "on" Cape Cod, as in "on' an island. Actually we say "on the Cape," as though there were only one. Believe me, there are still people here who don't know there are other Capes. Some people get asked when the last time was that they went over the bridge, if ever.

11-3-2003 0:47

TEEKAY -- Dorie had the two procedures on Friday, the fusion and the decompression. They had her standing up beside her bed on Saturday morning, and took her for xrays Saturday afternoon.
When I got there at about 1PM today, I met her in the hallway, being escorted by the therapist. She was on her second trip (using a walker) and doing nicely. The surgeon checked her over this morning, and said that the xray techs must have moved her the wrong way, but there's no apparent damage.
They do move things along quickly -- some say it's because of the insurance companies. But the doc says he's in no hurry to shove her out of the hosp, and she may stay until Wednesday or Thursday. She won't be able to use the stairs after all, so I'll be relocating the bedroom to the first floor. That's no problem, as we have the room already there -- a kind of a guest apartment, and we'll just move into there until she's ready to tackle the stairs.
There's a double benefit there -- I've been wanting to build a new closet in our bedroom, and I'll be remodeling the main kitchen as well.
It just hurts to se her hurt, if you know what I mean. If I could, I'd take the pain from her in a heartbeat.

howard 11-2-2003 22:41

Randall

Hey!

Still kicking down here gang... Had the flu, still do in fact. No energy ... even to respond to the "Cowboy" mention I came across. Will feel better soon I hope. I believe it's the weather...highs in the 80's, lows in the 60's. Humidity at 70%. The humidity is so high we have to run our AC's at night so we may sleep without sweating. Send me some cool air Jerry...

Randall

Randall 11-2-2003 20:29

With a hey and a ho and a heynonino,

Sorry to hear about Dorie's setback Howard. I hope and pray she recovers without the need for further surgery.

Got another signing under me belt, yesterday. Went well. Sang solo in church tonight. Started with a headache (not the name of the song!) and now it's like having a jackhammer in my head, so I'm off for a lie down.

Later,

Litter 11-2-2003 17:54

JERRY: What's the name of the Hallowe'en story you posted?

Teekay 11-2-2003 17:52

BEN: Good wishes on the story writing.
Let us know how it goes.

Teekay 11-2-2003 17:41

HOWARD: Oh poor Dorie.
Aren't patients only supposed to stand with assistance 4 days after a spinal fusion procedure? (It hasn't been 4 days has it?)
And isn't the x-ray usually done day 5.
Not 100% sure about this, but you might want to check it out.
Maybe that x-ray was either done too early or should have been done lying down.
Just checked the dates of your emails and it seems to be she was out of bed the next day!
Had there even been any physiotherapy to strengthen and relax the back muscles?
If you do check it out, ask a neutral party.

GARIESS: Don't you live at Cape Cod?
By doing so you have forfeited your right to whinge about the weather (or anything) :-D
But I do know what you mean. :-)

ALL: Editing starts today. Even bought myself a red pen for the purpose.

Faint glimmers of a genuine springlike day glimmering in the sky.

Going...

Teekay 11-2-2003 16:48

Hi All!

Just a quick note so you know I'm still alive and kicking. There's more work to be done on the house - mainly staining and polyurethaning the new window trim. Then of course I had to complicate things a touch and decide to put in rosettes. Oh, well, I'll keep the promise of how nice it will all look when done and the pride I'll have in having done the majority of the work myself. But, it has been keeping me from writing or spending much time online. I have managed to keep up the journal writing at least -- every day.

Howard - I too am keeping Dorie in my thoughts. My own spouse has had seven back operations all told, so I do know what you're both going through. Hang tough.

Gariess -- so good to see you again!

Viv - even if I'm not working on the novel at the moment, I'm keeping myself very open to any and all ideas as they crop up. Have gotten a few more details figured out. Once the house is finished and Thanksgiving is over, I hope things will relax enough to get busy again. I get to host Thanksgiving this year which is why I have such a push to get everything done. I'm looking forward to it though and thank goodness my new meds seem to be helping a lot.

Now - time to get the rest of those rosettes stained --- have a great Sunday everyone!

Carol 11-2-2003 14:44

What's so bad about being a cowboy?

Well, let me see. Hmmm...near as I can figger it, nuthin'. A man goes out an' makes hisself a livin' ridin' down little critters, an' he makes an honest livin' at it, well, I don't see nuthin' wrong with that. Do you? Dang it, Cowboys are what made this Continent one--and do you see I said 'Continent', and not 'country', because COWBOYS are universal. They have them here, there and everywhere. But of course, they're undoubtedly an American thang, aren't they? But that's because of Hollywood, and for no other reason. You can say whatever you want about the stalwart cowboy being found in literature, but we all know more people watch movies than read books. (Because it's a lot easier to watch all those little pictures than tryin' to string all them little letters together all in a row, ain't it Zeke?)

But I think the term 'cowboy', as it applies to someone in the political arena, is something to make people feel uncomfortable--and it should. The thought that a man who "shoots from the hip" and asks questions later is in control, makes me a little nervous. Any country who doesn't follow this man's lead is automatically in the wrong? Hello!? Look at the French. What's with that? Freedom Fries? Why? Because France, like a great many other nations, felt that the proper thing to do was to follow the guidelines as set down by the U.N.? Did you happen to hear what your neighbors were saying about Canadians? Do you think they forgot that Canada received the Nobel Peace prize for Peacekeeping? Do you think they cared? (Do you think half of them even know?) Of course not. We were those cowards who betrayed you. And why? Because you were following a man who wasn't going to take any shit from anyone, goddammit. You were gonna show the world what it meant to screw with America. You chose to follow a man who wrapped himself up in his patriotic fervour and put on his star spangled blinders, so that everyone else said, "Well, shucks, he must be right, Zeke," and kicked the clod of dirt resting against the toe of their boots.

Shucks...Yeah, a cowboy. Anyone else in the world knows you can't invade a country and expect to walk away with an easy victory when more than half the population feels you've overstayed your welcome and wants you to leave. We're gonna stay there until it's safe for us to leave...(?)When you say there are WMD's, but no one can find any proof, you have to stand by your word even though your allies are having problems with scandals about fudging numbers--so you put a different spin on things, and say you're going to stay until the country becomes a democratically solvent nation. People get nervous because they know how long it took for America to get it right. And did they? I don't know. The country became a melting pot that separated itself into "the haves", and "the have-nots". People lost their religion by coming to America, and maybe that's what they're afraid of losing with America coming to them? But do you think the Cowboy cares about that? Hell, Zeke, that's what's causing all the problems in the first place, it's a religious war now! It's religion, goddammit. If we just made everyone there a Christian, maybe they'd get it? Hell, Christians and Jews have always gotten along, haven't they? Yeah right...

It took more than two hundred years for America to actually make their Democratic system work reasonably well--don't tell me it's the best thing there is, just because there isn't anything to replace it with, okay? It's just that there hasn't been anything better to come along since, and so we're sorta stuck with it. Communism would have worked except for one thing: People were involved with it instead of leaving it as a theory written on paper--like every other Utopian dream--and where there are people involved in any institution, there is graft, and corruption--yes, and even in a democracy. And when the man leading the revolution is a nut bar, well, we all know what a dictatorship is, but what about what it used to mean? Before Franco, Stalin, Hitler and Napoleon, before Cromwell and the Spanish Inquisition, or the Dark Ages. The Romans had a position of absolute power in times of emergency--they made it permanent later and called him Imperator, which eventually became Emperor--which is what the Presidency evolved from simply because Washington refused the title Emperor...But what do you think would have happened had Washington been an average man? Napoleon never did understand how Washington could simply give up all that power once he defeated the British. No one could understand. And that one simple act was the saving grace for the fledgling American Republic. Everything after that has been a headlong rush into bravado--the American way. The Cowboy mentality. "Let's get a rope an' hang 'em high."

So yeah, keep the borders closed and create that animosity that seems to follow whenever someones says the name America. Oh, what's that? You don't hear it? Of course you don't. Because you don't listen. One cow is found with "Mad Cow" disease: One cow. For that, let's break the economy of our neighbours to the north. Hell, they deserve it, sendin' all they're cattle down to us and takin' all our farmers' livelihood. Did you know America bought 60% of our livestock? Did you know you can't produce enough to feed yourselves? Does shooting yourself in the foot hurt as much as it sounds like it does?

So shut the border down. That seems to be the best way to solve the problem for you. I don't want to go down there and visit you anyway. And maybe we'll keep our stuff too? Or should we impose tarrifs on it? 40% for the water and electricity going to California, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and Montana--and by the way let everything burn, so we can get them to buy our lumber too. They'll be screaming for it in a couple of months. Maybe we should become a little more like you? Walk softly and carry a big stick?

Once they open the borders--and they will, you know that--everybody'll hate everybody else, and we'll all have found the "Amercican Way"--Screw your neighbour before he screws you.

Now I have to leave and try to come up with a book in thirty days. And it takes place in...guess where? America. :-)

ben 11-2-2003 4:47

Hi Jerry,

I think you meant to answer Ben, not me, about the free trade and beef thing. I really don't have a dog in that fight. I'm a dumb New Englander, and like most of us around here, we know how to eat beef, but we don't know much about ranching. The only agriculture we have here is cranberry bogs, and some of those are very small, maybe two acres or so. I have to confess I know nearly nothing about the free trade agreement, either. I did, however, go to Sturgis, SD for the bike rally. Do you live anywhere near there? I did enjoy it, it was so different being somewhere where the land is so open. I was amazed at the Badlands. Even when one has seen the West in movies, the real impression of the Badlands is very different, so vast and so open. On Cape Cod it's hilly enough and so woodsy that you can hardly see more than 200 yards ahead wherever you go. The roads are winding and narrow, so it has a very small feel to it. Of course the Atlantic is never more than six miles away, no matter where you are on Cape Cod. Technically, we are an island.

When I went to SD it was a year ago, August, and I don't think it went below 90 degrees the whole time. I can't believe a place can get so hot in the summer and be getting snow in October. Being surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean tends to temper out the weather we get, here.

Howard,

I really am sorry to hear that your wife is having such a bad time. It must be very hard for you. I better hope it's your wife I am talking about, now that I mention it. I mean Dorie.

Teekay,

At least you are having Spring, now. That always seems so strange to me, maybe it's strange to you when we have Spring, here. I like Spring, if I could, I would go to Argentina or some place. How great would that be? Just keep going to wherever the warm time is.

gariess 11-2-2003 2:26

Oh and what the hell is so bad about being a "cowboy?"

Jerry 11-2-2003 1:32

Yep Garries, things are tough all over.

Shure hope it lasts for our guys, because they've been taking it in the shorts for way too long up here over the free trade deal. Then the powers that be refuse to go with country of origin on meat products so we have NO choice of who's beef we buy unless we do as I do and buy it directly from a rancher, who, by the way has raised the price of their beef now that they can get a better price on the open market, but I'm not complaining about paying another ten cents a pound for their beef, they need the money. The free trade deal has put more ranchers around here out of business then any thing else of late, so ya, I sure hope it lasts.

Jerry 11-2-2003 1:32

Hi!
Dorie had a bit of a setback this afternoon. She was doing fine until the xray dept sent someone up to get her. THey wheeled her down okay, but when they stood her up to get a picture, something slipped, and she had immediate numbness in her leg, and severe pain in her back. The doc will check it in the morning, but she's in an awful lot of pain right now. They gave her a shot of morphine to take the edge off it, but it's still bad.
She was scheduled to come home on Tuesday, but not sure now.

howard 11-1-2003 22:26

Sorry, I mean Dorie.
Not the cats mother.

Teekay 11-1-2003 18:36

HOWARD: Ditto what JERRY said.
How long til she can go home?

ALL: Not much happening here on this lazy Sunday. The spring weather has taken a turn for the worse and it's acting a bit wintry, though not as cold and dismal as yesterday.

Going...

Teekay 11-1-2003 18:09

"Sure hope it lasts"? Oh Jerry, it's such a disappointment to hear anyone say that, but so typical under such circumstances. Sure, things were hard on both sides for a while, but now it's just our side that's suffering, isn't it, so who cares? Did you think it was any easier for the farmers over here? The droughts and floods happen on this side of the border too, you know. So now, we have families losing everything, generational farmers with nowhere to go, and government bureaucrats on both sides of the border who say that they might have it resolved in a couple of months.

It's funny in an ironic, twisted sorta way, because I'm in the lumber industry. There's this problem with the softwood lumber agreement because the States say that they don't like the way we subsidize our lumber companies...we have to pay 35-55 bucks for every log we cut down, whereas you guys have to buy the land it's on, and do it in a way that it works out to being over a hundred bucks a log. So naturally, we should change the way we do it, because it puts us at an unfair advantage. Hello? We should change because you don't like the way it works for us? We're making too much money selling it to you guys? The thing is, ya'll want our logs. HOME DEPOT wants our product, because they say it's better. So you guys slap a tariff on us. 37%. And then they drop it to a reasonable 19, but only after more then ten thousand people lose their jobs, their houses, their livelihood. And we work right beside the docks, where we watch ships come in and load up our raw logs for export to places like Japan, and America. We're losing jobs, and you're still taking our logs. Yeah, okay, this is turning into a rant, but so what? Cause you wanna know somethin'? The funny part about it all is that everyone sort of agrees--no one says it out loud--but we all sorta look at what was happening then, and what was going down with Saddam, and Canada choosing to stand behind the U.N. instead of backing the U.S. and England. So now everyone's dragging their feet. Our solution up here is the easiest--I mean the guys I work with. Stop selling logs, stop sending water, electricity, oil, until they pull they're heads outta their ***** and look at what they're doing to us. Free Trade? Open Borders? Sure, Free Trade works, as long as it goes the way it's supposed to, if you know what I mean? (wink, wink, nudge, nudge.)

"Sure hope it lasts." Don't get me started. Land of the Free (Trade) and home of the (Atlanta)Brave(s)? I thank God my parents came here in 1956, instead of moving to Atlanta like they were considering. Only problem with moving there was, that at the time they were living in Surinam (that's in South America). My Dad was an intellegent man who read a lot, and he didn't like the way the Black Man was being treated down there then. He refused to treat a Black Man the way he was expected to treat a Black Man back then. And I thank God he instilled that worthwhile trait in me.

And Our Prime Minister was heard to say that Bush was a Cowboy? Was he so wrong? I saw a comedy show on the good ole' CBC when Bush was running for president, and they asked him what he thought about the Canadian Prime Minister, Poutine--a French Canadian slur (and I do apologize for mispelling it). Bush said he looked forward to meeting him. We knew right then we were in trouble.

"Sure hope it lasts." Yeah, you deserve another four years of that guy. The problem is, he's a one term president. The vote sort of told us that didn't it? No matter who won, it woulda been ofr one term. It was like choosing the lesser of two evils, and then finding out you got it wrong. No wonder why I don't like politics or politicians.

I wasn't going to post this, but what the hell, I spent a lot of time trying to get this thing down--trying to fold and put away laundry, answering the phone, and getting ready for work...I'm still a slut. :-)

Oh, and Jerry, did that work?

ben 11-1-2003 18:07

Howard glad to hear all went well, wish Dori my best.

We got our first snow three days ago, four inches of the crap. Yesterday and today we got another two inches and the temp had dropped to 8 degrees.

None the less, we had several trick or treaters tonight.

BTW did I mention I left a halloween shorty in the shorty section of the workbook?

Write on...

Jerry 10-31-2003 22:38

The doc says everything went very well, but the damage was worse than they
expected, so it took a little longer to complete -- over 4 hours, and will
take a bit longer to heal -- 3 to 6 months.
The herniated disk was complicated by bone spurs and arthritis, but he said
she should feel immediate improvement there. The real pain was because of
the disintegrated disk -- the vertebrae were rubbing/grating together. He
said that had to be causing intense pain. He fused them together, and said
that it will be very painful for a while, but within a few days she should
feel some improvement. The pain is aggravated because they couldn't use the
steroid to lessen the swelling -- she's allergic to it -- so he put a drain
in the site to try to keep the swelling down. But now they've found that the
drain isn't working properly, so they keep having to roll her onto her side
to drain it manually. That's not exactly making her day...
The doc said she should be able to come home on Tuesday, and that she'll be
able to walk, climb the stairs, etc.

She just called me again, and told me to say hi to everyone for her, and thanks for all the prayers and good thoughts!

howard 10-31-2003 22:14

Rachel - Glad to hear it worked out, it could have been so much worse. I once saw an EMT walk head long into a downed 700 volt highline, the current went through his head down his arms and out the wheels of the gurney he was pushing. He must have flown ten feet, and when he landed his heart had stopped. The other two EMT's went to work on him and brought him back by CPR.

Jerry 10-31-2003 22:12

Ben - ain't gonna work this time, I stopped listening to Rush, well at least regurlarly still tune in once in awhile, before his great anouncement. Trying a new "think for myself" type thing.

I don't see where Rush should send himself to jail though, to become addicted to prescription meds is so very easy to do, if one doesn't have a good doctor who is willing to work with you in the field of pain management it could happen to almost anyone, especially if you happen to be the receipent of a failed back surgery. This I know as I'm such a receipent, and still use some very strong pain meds, though now through a transdermal patch instead of pills ( never could keep track of when to take the blasted things and it got worse as the strength went up).

I'll give old Rush this though, he addmitted in public to the world his problem, none of that shaking the finger and "I did not have sex with that woman" so famously stated by the liberal's hero Bill Clinton.

As far as free trade, never did like that idea and it does my heart good to see our ranchers enjoying the sudden fair pay for their stock since the gate for Canadian beef closed. Sure hope it lasts.

Jerry 10-31-2003 22:07

Hi All,

RACHEL: Lucky the river is giving you a hard time. If the horses had been in the stables ugh! I shudder to think of it.
Glad you're okay.

MEL: Thanks :-). It's a pilfering amount. probably cost more to change it over at the bank to Aus. dollars than it's worth, so may end up framing it or something.
I can put it up next to my wad of rejections :-D

Haven't the strength to sign up for NaNoWriMo. At least, not this year.

Have a great day all.

Going...

Teekay 10-31-2003 18:30

Ben,

Among states in this nation, there is a mutual emergency aid system which, roughly stated, provides that one state will send emergency workers to another state with no compensation other than the fact that, reciprocally, they get the same aid from that state if the situation is reversed. This applies to utility franchises which are not necessarily seperated by state lines. I worked in utilities for a number of years ( I was Homer Simpson's shift partner in the control room.) That accounts for my familiarity with this arrangement which brings me to the point of all this.

I vaguely recall that a similar arrangement exists between the U.S. and Canada; possibly Mexico, as well. Between states and franchises there is a pre-existing designation of numbers of workers available, but the provision allows for over-riding the number on a case to case basis. If the same arrangement exists between the U.S. and Canada, that might account for the discrepancy in the Governor's numbers. Two hundred could be the designation and 1500 could be the over-ride. Not-with-standing the fact that Gray Davis is a chump, in any case.

10-31-2003 17:54

Jerry,

Since when did not having anything new to say, stop a conservative talk show host? By the way, is Rush going to send himself to jail, as he has, so often, advocated for drug law breakers?

I just figured as long as I'm back, I might as well get Jerry all stirred up as I used to do.

10-31-2003 17:34

Ben,

He, he, he. (grins). Tonight will be a good night for walking with the kiddies as they go door to door for trick or treat. It should be lots of fun :o)

All,

A Happy Hallowe’en and Happy Samhain to one and all.

Take care all.

RDRKO

Rachel 10-31-2003 15:39

Oh yeah Rachel, you're supposed to shuffle, or hop. But I guess if you don't know you've got electrical wires underneath your car, you could be in for a real shock--oh I couldn't resist that one :-) All in all though, it was a wonderful wind yesterday. I walked to work in it. It's an hour's walk. I loved it! I'm just glad I took a different posting at work, and now get to sit in a warm climate controlled cab, instead of sitting out on the water trying to figure out how I can stop the wind from blowing down my backside. B-r-r-r-r!!

Ben

10-31-2003 14:14

Sorry Jerry, I don't pay much attention to American politics, or politicians, it's hard enough living up here trying to contend with all the American sanctions going against us. (Can we say "Free" Trade?)I trust American politicians and believe them, about as much as I do Canadian politicians. In fact, I was watching a bit of the news last night, and saw Gray Davis from California saying how he had just spoken to the premier of this province--he didn't look like he knew which one it was, let alone where the hell he'd find it on a map--who promised to send him 1500 firefighters to help fight the blazes. He'd just spoken to him? He didn't even know his name. He had to read it off a piece of paper, and still got it wrong three times. And the saddest part of all, was that he was offered 200 men, not 1500, and not "promised". So what are those people in California gonna think when their houses go up in smoke, and the 1500 promised Canadian firefighters don't show up? What're they gonna say if only 200 show up? Well, at least they sent us the water bombers...? and what good are those if you can't fly them? Don't get me started about politics and America. This isn't the place for that.

ben 10-31-2003 14:07

Hi all,

I had a shocking experience yesterday afternoon. I went out to pick up some eggs to make cookies. On my way home something hit my car and it started to make the most freakish sound. A sort of womphfa sound. I saw two kids pointing and starting to run. I thought they had thrown a fire cracker at the car. I cut off their avenue of escape and sprang out of the car, at which point something hurt me. I had quite the adrenaline rush going and advanced on these 16 year olds with their rottie and pit bull dogs asking them who the hell they thought they were throwing crap at my car and that I wanted to speak to their parents right frickin now! The two of them kept backing up and pointing behind me, at which point I became aware of another strange sound. I turned around to see and electrical fire shooting back, forth and up from a couple of lines with a burning tree branch across it. At that point I knew the kids hadn't done the deed. I apologized to them then went to the shop closest to the scene and called 911. I asked the shop keeper to call but she told me her English was too bad, her husband said the same, and I guess what they said was true enough. They did have pretty weak English. All night last night my hair was super static zone and Dan said each time he touched me he got a shock. I suppose you could say I had an electric personality (laughter). The pain in my arms, chest and back started to ease of shortly after it all happened (not more than an hour) and today I just have a bit of an ache. I joked with Dan that I was slow cooking (grins). It wasn't long after that, that we had a HUGE tree come down in the yard. It fell across the horse pens that we are not using currently, due to the massive ditches which have been dug in them (grrrrrrr)! Ah, and we contacted the land owner to tell him he would need to fill in the ditches himself. I wonder if the reason I didn't get a worse shock is because I have the super dry skin on my hands. Man, I wish you guys could have heard the sound my car was making. It was like being in Doc Frankinstines lab ;o) This morning I had to haul warm water for the horses, who are in the neighbours pen (it was a long way to drag big buckets of water). I had to get Dan to help me pull out the frozen clods from the horses feet. Apparently the horse shoes really encourage the frozen build up in hoof thing. Poor girls were tottering around like a couple of drunks. Dan and I have been given a couple of days off from our horse feeding job and I am happy. I wouldn't want to try to deal with those five preggers, pissy mares wearing their high heels...

Ciao for now.

RDRKO

Rachel 10-31-2003 11:48

Well it simply had to happen. The liberal answer to Rush Limbaugh broke out of his two station market and went national this week. The fellow hails from Fargo North Dakota of all places, and I used to listen to him back when he was an ultra consrvative talk show host.

He changed his color back in the late Clinton era when the nation went after his new hero Bill Clinton (How he ever fell in love with Clinton is anybody's guess) for what happened in the oval office with Monica.

I do believe that it was more then that, I think the real reason he changed his agenda was simply that Rush took all the wind out of his sails, after all what's left to say after three hours of Rush on the radio, he simply didn't have anything new to say, so he switched to the other side.

At any rate Ed Schultz is now the liberal Rush Limbaugh, I still listen to him on occasion simply because I leave the radio on that station when I take my morning soak in the tub and when I sleep to late, he comes on after the local stuff I listen to like the news, weather and farm prices (something left over from my life on the farm I guess).

Ed has been on all the news shows now, in case you missed him spouting his own version of liberalism, and the liberal's are now haveing edgasams all over themselves.

I sure am glad I moved to SOUTH Dakota where the only thing I have to hang my head about is Tom Dashall and not Ed Shultz.

We Dakota'ns are a strange bunch, especally those in the North, they regularly vote in Republican Governors and a Republican majority in the State Congress but always send Democrat's to Washington. It has always made me wonder but I think it's more that the men, who are mostly consrvative vote more often in the local elections, women who are mostly liberal flood the national elections. But again that doesn't explain why both states almost always vote Republican in the Presidential elections.

In South Dakota, we recently sent our formor Governor to Washington, but now he is facing manslaughter charges here at home and it's now my understanding that should he be convicted and step down, or be expeled from congress, there has to be an emergency State Election, and the office set's vacant till the election is over.

Enough of my halloween rant.

Write on.

Jerry 10-31-2003 11:12

Good Morning, Writers! :-]

BEN: Yea, you, for signing up with NaNoWriMo! :-) You go, boy! Write fast and furious and let the story take YOU somewhere - it will, you know. I'm teetering on signing up... have a few ideas... or I could devote similar time to polishing the beginning of my current old twisted messy novel and make it shinier by Nov. 30 - one week to fix the prologue, one week to finish inserts to Chapter One, one week to fix transitionary material, last week to review Prologue and Chapter One for regurgitated flow...might work better for me than trying something new... then again, You signed up... maybe I should just bite the bologna and dive into the foray, woo-hoo! :-)

TEEKAY: A paying story? YEEHAH!!!!! :-) You go, girl! Keep 'em coming!!!

ALL: Write treasures today, sparkling and memorable!

And now, back to the mundane, ho-hum...

Mel 10-31-2003 7:49

Hi Everybody,

I am going to stop trying to mention everybody's name, it bogs me down, it's like one of those little memory exercises (and that's just what I have, a little memory, roughly that of a dehydrated earthworm.) I do remember Debra, though. Hi Debra.

Jerry, I was in South Dakota a year ago, August. What a place. The Badlands, wow. And the Black Hills, Sturgis, what a hoot. Oh, to be in Sturgis now that August's here. Vroom Vroom. I had my my bike, of course. And driving across the High Plains, two days of watching corn going by. After two days, I am asking the age old question, "Who the hell eats all this corn?" Really, two days of corn at 65 MPH, you start to wonder about things like that. And I didn't even see Kansas and Oklahoma. No wonder they want to make gasoline out of it. No kidding, they could plant corn on the entire state of Massachusetts and there wouldn't be as much as half the corn in Minnesotta. And Debra lives in RI. Six bags of Jiffy Pop would take car of that.

So, Heather is among the missing, I see, according to Teekay. I can't think of a thing to say about that. I know I didn't take her.

What about Americo? (Yeah, I know, He didn't take her either.)

Anyone see that Road Runner movie, The Fast and The Furry-assed?

Later

10-31-2003 1:52

Ya, figured I had some sort of virus. Decided not to mess around with it since I just reformated a few days ago, I just reformated again and started over. What a pain.

Jerry 10-31-2003 1:13

Gariess - Yep, damn hard to keep them lit and you should see how big a paper you need to roll'em!

Left a little Haloween shorty in the shorty section. Didn't take much time so it's a bit rough, I may work on it again later, just typed it in the box so exceuse the typo's.

Jerry 10-31-2003 1:10

I knew I'd mispel it!

It was

Frederick Nietzsche
"Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker."
(What doesn't kill me makes me stronger.)

Howard 10-30-2003 22:30

Hi! - Trying to catch up on some homework, and doing some research for a couple of short papers. I wanted to find the origins of a couple of familiar phrases:
"What doesn't kill me makes me stronger."
and
"Better live in hope than die in despair."

The first was easy -- Frederick Neitsche

The second took a bit more time, but I was able to find it is an old Scottish peoverb.

I did find a couple of sites that might be interesting/useful for anyone into that sort of thing:

http://phrases.shu.ac.uk

http://www.scottishgatherings.co.uk/page87.html

cheers!
and back on your heads! :-)
howard

howard 10-30-2003 22:28

Yeah Gariess:

Debra 10-30-2003 21:30

MEL, I signed up. I don't know why--it was a sperm of the moment idea--but I figured,hey, why not? I'm thinking I'll take that short story and do something with it. It looks like I can do something with it. At least, I hope I can. It starts off okay, or so-so, depending on your point of view...now, if I only had an idea of where I want to take it....

ben 10-30-2003 18:07

Aiy Carumba,
just checked out anotherealm and my very first paying short story has come up.

I've posted the link if anyone is interested.

Got 4 reasonably shitty reviews on it, but I've consoled myself that they must have been written by people of an anal retentive nature :-D

Now, back to that brilliant day.

Teekay Link 10-30-2003 17:56

GARIESS: (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) you!!!
It's so great to have you back.
What have you been up to??

HOWARD: and (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) to Dorrie.
She'll be glad when it's all over.
It's a bit like going to the dentist, scary at first, but a relief in the end, well, not the end, the top, but you knowe what I mean :-D - and you get one of those lovely pre-meds at the hospital.
I'm sure the third irritation will be around for ages, just so as not to prove me right :-D

MEL: That site sounds really interesting. RHODA came to mind when I was reading it, she wanted to do something like that some time ago. I'm going to check it out, but I know what you mean about the distractions.
Who knows though. Shall take a looksee.

ALL: Have a thoroughly brilliant day. I for one intend to.

Calling ARIK, come in ARIK. And HEATHER, your AWOL time is running fairly short too, show yourself soon or be dragged back :-D

Going...

Teekay 10-30-2003 16:52

Yeah MEL, I just checked out the month long novel contest, and I must say I liked it. I read some of the post of writers here in town, and wow, I liked that too. I've got a day to decide. Maybe I can take that story I started and work on that?...

ben 10-30-2003 16:47

WOW! I just checked the website for NANOWRIMO and it's AWESOME! If you need any writing inspiration, read a few of the forum posts by writers gearing up for the all-month chaos of writing 50,000 words - what a hoot! I'm almost a believer... maybe I could try something brand new, from scratch... I do love a clean writing pad and a fresh pen! :-)

Mel still, again 10-30-2003 15:39

I just learned in an email from a co-worker that November is NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month).

"National Novel Writing Month is a fun, seat-of-your-pants approach to novel writing. Participants begin writing November 1. The goal is to write a 175-page (50,000-word) novel by midnight, November 30.

"Valuing enthusiasm and perseverance over talent and craft, NaNoWriMo is a novel-writing program for everyone who has thought fleetingly about writing a novel but has been scared away by the time and effort involved."

Anyone up for the challenge? :-) It's an interesting concept, to be sure... Don't know as I'm brave enough to plunge in, with all the distractions distracting me right now... then again, maybe it's a way to get the sequel to my first book written, however sketchily... hmmm...

Mel again National Novel Writing Month 10-30-2003 13:44

Garries,

It is good to see you back. I'm glad you were able to google up the site (grins). I don't know why, but google up, sounds naughty to me... Guess it's just my wicked mind in action.

Take care you.

RDRKO

Rachel 10-30-2003 11:14

I'm not sure which is the worse fink - my muse or my villain - they've been holding out on me! Just received a revelation...that belongs in my novel's PROLOGUE, while here I've been struggling with Chapter One... didn't look back far enough... sigh. Maybe I'll roast 'em both in the Epilogue, heh heh, yeah... ;-]

Oh, howdy folks! Just a bit of my writer's temper flaring there... I wish you all a vigorous day of writing!

Welcome back, GS!

Teekay, I meant to add, I'm proud of your literary efforts of late, in spite of the big fight against procrast... well, the P word! :-) You go, girl! Enjoy the Spring...

Many individual thoughts to many of you - just haven't got time now to address each one - consider yourselves all hugged and cheered on for the day!

Mel 10-30-2003 9:59

Yes -- welcome back GARIESS! We're happy to see you again!

I may not get much keyboard time in for a few days. We had another conference with the doc, and Dorie has decided that she wants to have both procedures done now. So tomorrow at 10 she'll have the fusion to take care of the slipped/disintegrated disk, as well as the decompression to take the pressure off the nerve a bit farther up on her spine. According to the doc this should take care of the two sources of irritation.
The third source will still be around for quite a while (we hope) to take care of her... :-)

howard 10-30-2003 7:18

GARIESS -- Welcome back, pal. You've been missed.

Mark 10-30-2003 6:45

I just read Jerry's post wherin he declares he has begun smoking. I quote: "Sorry I've been busy, you see I started smoking last week, and as of today, I've smoked over thirty pounds of salmon, nearly a dozen chickens and a huge mess of walleye pike."

Jerry, You must tell me how you light those. Do you have to dry them for a long time? Actually, I'd be a little queazy after the first ten pounds of Salmon.

I suppose I should check to see if I have been pre-empted on this question, but without reading the follow-ups I will just plunge in.

gariess 10-30-2003 1:15

Teekay,

God bless you. I just looked at your post a little way down the page, and I swear a tear came to my eye. it's hard not to believe in fate, at times. Sorry I can't account for Arik, however. If he does show up, now, fate will be affirmed, for sure.

Anyway, Rachel, Howard, Rhoda, Jerry, all of you, You are like a constant that exists in a world so uncertain and fleeting. I hate to start mentioning names, I always miss a bunch when I do that. Back to reading.

10-30-2003 0:30

Hey, you guys. It must be looking like old home week. I know I haven't been here for a dog's age, but I found my way back, like so many old dogs do. I have a whole new computer, and I lost all my old bookmarks, but it finally dawned on me that I should be able to Google up the Notebook, and guess what, Under WRITERS NOTEBOOK you are third in the list. I know that may be less than some might expect, but it did get me back here. Amazingly, there was a sentence fragment in the search that mentioned Randall, so I thought I might have the right hit. Of course when the page came up and I saw the name, Jerry, I knew I was in the right place. I have to go and read some of your posts, now.

Gariess 10-30-2003 0:18

Jerry,
Looks like you have SOBER
Yes.....HAVE, not ARE!

Details;

W32.Sober@mm is a mass-mailing worm that uses its own SMTP engine to spread itself. The subject of the email varies, and it will be in either English or German.

The name of the email attachment varies, and it will have a .bat, .com, .exe, .pif, or .scr file extension.

This threat is written in the Microsoft Visual Basic programming language and is compressed with UPX.

When W32.Sober@mm is first run, it may display the fake error message "File not complete

I don't think it will get as bad as SoBig.
Ed

Eddie French 10-29-2003 15:29

First thing I read when I open the notebook: Jerry, good luck on the smoking.

I think, Wait a minute! Jerry shouldn't be smoking!

Then I find out...it's a smoker ... smoked salmon. Now that's something I could get my teeth into. My family used to drive all the way to Seattle in the late summer to buy smoked salmon and stay in a small hotel in Port Townsend. I took my family there about 25 years after and it was just like it'd always been. Lovely and cool with beautiful stretches of beach. Plus the smoked salmon tasted just the same.

There is nothing better than smoked meat. I have a bit of a holiday. Tomorrow I'm pulling out my smoker and some ribs and chicken. Salmon has to wait until I can get up at 3:30AM and get down to the Tsukiji Fish Market. Yawn...not yet. It's the first day of vacation. Finally don't have to be up at 5:00AM.

Viv 10-29-2003 7:49

Jerry: Good luck on the smoking.

For everyone: I am actively looking over a number of possibilities for updating the Notebook using PHP so that I can block certain IP addresses, including our spammers. Hope everyone will keep coming back and I will keep everyone posted as I am able to get this up and running. As I stated earlier, it may involve login and passwording. But we will see. Thanks for your patience and I hope to have a much more robust Notebook going and running in the near future.

Jack Beslanwitch 10-29-2003 4:06

Wow you don't look at the notebook for awhile and the loonies take over.

Sorry I've been busy, you see I started smoking last week, and as of today, I've smoked over thirty pounds of salmon, nearly a dozen chickens and a huge mess of walleye pike.

Man is that smoked meat good, the whole family loves it. Got an old propane smoker that I keep in the garage. Good thing to since the cold has arrived and along with it very strong winds.

My damn computer started sending emails on it's own so if you get anything from my address don't open it. I have Norton doing a scan right now, in fact Norton is who's telling me about it, it keeps popping up the Norton email sending scan and says there's no virus in the outgoing email, only problem is, I'm not sending mail. In fact I have my email program shut down so what ever is doing it has it's own mail client.

Tried Mcafe's but it let more crap through so I finally un-installed it and went back to Norton.

There has to be a SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL for those who write and distribute viruses.

BACK ON YOUR HEADS!

Write on.

Jerry 10-29-2003 0:22

TAYLOR: Hi there, long time no see :-)

RACHEL: Bummer. I hope it all works out.

MEL: :-D How appropriate. Sure am glad to know I have company.
I feel rather 'outside my box' for the self control I've exerted.
Wonder if I can keep it up.
What I found was, I just ignored everything except the unignorable like feeding and tending the child, until I'd accomplished my set task for the day.
It was amazingly liberating.

Going...

Teekay 10-28-2003 16:32

Ben

The creek is a wicked and wide :o) It is beautiful, but leads to much wet and muck. The property owner left us with quite a mess. So much of a mess that we have decided there is no way for us to right what he has done. Dan and I both have blown out shoulders and the moving of rock doesn't much agree with us. It isn't that though, it is the principle of the thing. They guy came out to dig a drain ditch for the guy who lives above the barn, he made a mess of it and wants us to clean it up. My issue is that now my horses can't be out in the paddock that we made for them. Dan and I worked our asses off to scrape, level and load that thing so that it would be dryish. We dug drain troughs and things were okay. Now my horses can't be out in it at all. My son can't be out in the yard because there is a twenty by thirty pond where the owner got the diger thing stuck, which he figures we can just fill in by hand! I'm a pretty positive sort and am willing to give things a try to help out, but this is over the top. There are dirt mounds almost as tall as me. I can't let Seb out in the yard, as if he fell in the pond thing he would drown. I'm feeling ticked off and frustrated. I can't expect my neighbour to give me long term use of her paddock, that just isn't fair. At this rate I'm going to need to pay to have the stay off site. That is going to involve transportation costs (lucky for me that will be a six pack), but if I didn't know somebody, it would cost a lot more. Then there is the actual keep of the horse. That is big bucks no matter how you slice it. The lowest rates I've seen are about 160 per horse, per month and that is if I come in to feed myself. I would be wanting to deduct that from my rent (grrrrrrrrrr)! Man am I ever pissed! The more I think about it and all the work that we put into those pens, the angrier I get! We had it to the point where all we needed to do was put down a few yards of rock dust and some rubber matts, then we would be set for the winter. Now I really don't see how any of this can be set to rights. I had a couple of inches of muck and most of the area was quite dry, now I've got a foot or more of soft turned up earth!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I've told Dan he will need to speak to the guy, because I'm about ready to go off on him.

Litter,

It's cool that I got sort of close (grins).

All,

Sorry for the wicked rant but I couldn't hold it back. I'm freakin' out!!!!!!

RDRKO

Rachel 10-28-2003 11:26

TEEKAY: A book I ordered - The Procrastinator's Workbook - was on backorder for awhile (ha!) but it has finally arrived. Procrastinating is no longer an option, according to this book, although I haven't read most of it...maybe next month...!

Hi to all!!!

Back to being bulldozed by LIFE DISTRACTIONS...

Mel 10-28-2003 8:37

RACHEL: I can just imagine the poor mess you've had to deal with over the last couple of weeks. It's rainin' again, right now, as I type this--it's 1:45 am--and I'm sorry for that. I guess that little creek in the back is a raging torrent by now. You just take your time... :-)

ben 10-28-2003 4:46

lianchun yang fluor 10-28-2003 2:49

**Taylor**

Just want to apolagise for my sporradic posts of late. Have been busy with writing these days. I've been checking up on this site every now and again to see how you lot are doing.
Hope all is well

Taylor 10-27-2003 22:09

LITTER: Does sectioned mean locked away? :-D

I love the look of Gaelic words, but it's beyond me how some of them are pronounced. Now Katie, spelt the Gaelic way looks absolutely gorgeous, but Katie spelt the English way looks rather plain.

Now I know what Anne of Green Gables meant when she insisted her name be spelled with an 'e'.

ALL: I have just typed THE END!!!!!!
And with 3 days to go.

I'm taking a 3 day holiday from it and then I'll start editing the chapters. I've allowed myself a week per chapter.
I'm very generous with myself :-D

Ah, no one can know what this means, unless they are as procrastinatory as I am.
And those of my procrastinatroy calibre are very hard to find.

Have a good day all.
Mine is shining all over in a soft golden light, the birds are singing and all is well.

*sigh*

Teekay 10-27-2003 21:25

Hi Peeps.

Seems that some of you are far too bright for your own good. (You know who you are!) Ceiteag (Irish Gaelic) is indeed pronounced as Katie. TEEKAY – I think I have my daughter sectioned if she chose a name that was pronounced Saytar. (Far too close to Satyr – somewhat dark and worrying for a little girl…) RACHAEL – fair guess but not quite right, but thanks for trying. I'm trying to persuade my daughter to go for the more 'classy' Scot's Gaelic spelling, which is 'Ceitidh'. (Still pronounced, Katie.) Ceitidh, is the pet name for the Celtic proper name, 'Catriona', (NOT pronounced Katie!!!) which is my daughter's name, so it's all very sweet and poetic. Less than two weeks to go and counting…

Still got the moles but there seems to be less activity so I must be getting some of the little buggers, but my back garden is in an awful mess. Still, it's nearing Guy Fawkes' night (when we in the UK set off our fireworks,) and there is a plentiful supply of low grade explosives in the shops, so I expect my garden to fly skywards sometime in the next few days… Don't think I like the 'Louisiana solution' of eating them. Doesn't seem very appetising to me, but then I do like alligator.

A friend of my daughter is determined to be sociable (at 1.45am!) so I had better go.

Ciao for now,

Litter 10-27-2003 20:47

Ben,

Fear Not :o) You will hear from me (Bwah, ha, ha, ha,ha!!!!!!!!!!)

I've been out having fun with big O drain pipe and nine yards of drain rock (oh yeah baby, I'm havin' some fun now)!

Ciao for now.

RDRKO

Rachel 10-27-2003 18:29

Okay, I finally posted something in the Workbook if anyone is interested. It's the opening of a story I'm working on at the moment. I'm on nightshift for the next couple of weeks, so I won't be looking at anything until tomorrow.

Oh yeah, Rachel: "?"

ben 10-27-2003 16:03

Viv,

I wish you luck and hope that your approach works for you. I honestly do.

As far as the outside of the class stuff, it has been an area of study for a long time. I'm not the first to think of it. Into the deal, my husband works with marginalized children in the school system. He helps them to develop social skills that will enable them to interact with others. He also works with behaviours within the class without the focus being on the child. He does group work with a central figure whom he gears activities to. It works without the child feeling that they have been singled out.

I've taken care of children who are maginalized due to either mental, physical or behavioural issues. I have a different take on a lot of in class things than I did before I had first hand experience. I've seen the school side and the parents side of the matter. I think that there are times when the "table" is a good thing and other times, when integration is the name of the game.

As far as walking home, that can be a very freak out experience for children. I provide care for a boy who is a target. His fathers way of approaching this, is to pick him up from school and drop him off. While he has been in my care I've had him walk home with a group. We've talked about safe choices and the like. He has only had some minimal problems. I know that there isn't always safety in numbers, but it sure helps. That along with the fact that my kids pretty much are in what we call a "walking school bus" This is when different parents take turns walking to or from school with the children. It is amazing what one adult presence will do to deter the average bully. If you don't have a walking school bus in your area you could look into setting one up. they can be formal or informal and it can be easier for parents than needing to be avaliable to pick their children up every single day. Depending on the size of your group, you could only need to walk one a week, or maybe even less. I know lots of parents who come out for all the walks, be it there turn or not. I think that is cool. My kids know where the adults are, but as they are older, tend to feel quite safe. They stay in their group and are home within a designated space of time. I however loved the walking school bus when they were younger :o)

I really do wish you all the best of luck with your efforts. It is people like you, who care and are willing to do more than hand out their concerns that will make the difference.

RDRKO

RDRKO

Rachel 10-27-2003 14:02

Randall

Jack...Thank you for the response. It is discourging to see such lunacy on our notebook. I understand errant behavior is a problem not easily addressed. A password might be the only way out. Anyway, many thanks...

Randall

Randall 10-26-2003 18:13

Randal: I am a little busy at the moment, but recently the server available for Writers Notebook and forwriters.com now is PHP capable. This means I may start looking at an alternative for Writers Notebook that allows me to block unwanted domains. I may even look at alternatives that require login and password. Thanks for your thoughts. This will not happen immediately, but I will make a stab at archiving sometime in the next week or so and weed out the spams and garbage.

Jack Beslanwitch 10-26-2003 16:43

Rachel,
Now why do you think anyone could get away with anything more by sitting at a different table? My voice reaches over to the other tables too. I can keep my eye on the entire class simply by backing up and keeping all in view. (This is only 15-30 kids we're talking here!) Nope, I just don't like a "special ed table".

You bring up a good point about playgrounds. There's also the problem of walking home. Good homework assignment you've assigned. I think I'm going to spend some time on the playground observing and also do some neighborhood dog walking after school. It helps to have all the mothers out walking in the neighborhood as the kids come home from school. You can't be everywhere but if you can keep an eye on things and keep them gentle you can make a big difference.

Thanks for the heads up on the problems outside the classroom. I didn't know and I don't think anyone else had thought about that. I was never bullied until I was an adult and met adult bullies. Bullies still completely bewilder and disgust me.

I can't make it perfect but I sure can make it better for one kid.

Viv 10-26-2003 6:21

TEEKAY -- just missed you in the chat room.
Our daylight savings time ends tonight -- an extra hour's sleep! Yay!

howard 10-25-2003 19:58

Gwarsh Mickey, it's quiet here today.

Well, daylight savings has begun. We have yet to set all the clocks an hour forward.
I love daylight savings. I always seem a little more organised then.

Haven't been doing any writing over the weekend. Actually, haven't been doing much of anything.
There's a craft show on today, so I plan to mooch around there for an hour or four.

Hope everyone is okay.

going...

Teekay 10-25-2003 19:55

MARK: Nu uh, there weren't no new topic in the shorty one.
The only way I got to a new topic one in the shorty one was to go to Jerry's story and go thru there.
And then it only came up if you opened Jerry's story first.

Going back to the corner.

Teekay 10-25-2003 1:26

TEEKAY -- go to the corner and come out when you can explain how you managed to post in WIP. That would be how you post in Shorty.

Hint. There's a button that says "New Topic"

Mark 10-24-2003 21:17

Randall - glad to hear you survived the "operation" I wish mine had been the same.

Howard - my Doc said "the incission will be only one inch, you should be able to cover it with a thumbnail. When I woke up, he had split me from the begining of my 'crack' to the midpoint of my back, I would guess it about a foot and a half. When I questioned him about it, he explaind that I was a bit "thicker" then he had thought.

Hope your wife has better luck, I'm sure she will after all they must have made strides in methods since '93.

Jerry 10-24-2003 21:10

MARK: Well, stick me in a corner and call me stupid, but I couldn't find a way to submit in the shorty section, so I put up a shorty in the WIP's section.

Sorry. Could you explain to me know how to do it? Make the instructions simple.

Have a great day all.

It's the weekend. I have allowed myself the luxury of not having to type out any chapters on the weekend end, unless I feel like it.

Teekay 10-24-2003 19:52

Viv,

Hum... You'll not have a "special table" Does that mean that you will have the children with issues spread through the class, so that they can disrupt on a wide scale and you can't keep an eye on what is happening?

As far as the girl being treated fairly well in the class. It isn't the class that I would be worried about. I was treated very well in class. The school yard has it's own rules, codes and laws. It is in the yard that I would worry for this girl. Parents and teachers can watch the put on, we will be good, world of the class room and be fooled into thinking it is indicates the whole reality of a childs world. That is not a wise way to think.

Best thing you can do for this kid, is help her out with methods of learning till you find one that works, if there is one that will work for her and don't focus on what she can't do, but what she can do.

Good luck to you and to her.

RDRKO

Rachel 10-24-2003 12:46

Brian how are you? this is norm close your curtains and enjoy your meal

Norm large pigeon 10-24-2003 4:20

JENNIFER -- Move your cursor to the "Writers Notebook" bar at the top of this page, then select the Writers Workbook from the dropdown menu. Click on that, and you'll be taken to the notebook page (Hang on, because you're jumping from somewhere near Seattle to a spot about 200 miles NW of NY City!) :-)
Follow the directions on that page to register, and Mark or I will enable your id to read/write in the various forums there.
It's not meant to replace this notebook, but to provide a more secure place for crits on works in progress, and a quiet out of the way corner for topics not everyone is interested in -- like the current 'religion' discussion.

howard 10-23-2003 23:07

Looking back over her shoulder with one last thought...

Howard, the "neut" makes it even better!

Viv 10-23-2003 21:26

THANK YOU HOWARD! Also cute little joke which kind of lightened my rather down mood.

Rachael: She feels different and that's not good. I was watching the class and they don't seem too bad but she's stuck at the "has problems" table. There won't be one of those tables in MY classroom that's for sure. She's not like the others who have difficulties, hers are not emotional, just a slight wiring problem.

Viv 10-23-2003 21:24

Hi there, I have been writing lately, reading tons of books so haven't had a lot of extra time. Not pleased with the long rambles in the notebook.. couldn't make any real sense of it. I have no password or at least don't know what it is so if I can get some help. If we go to the other book I don't qant to be left out. I hope everyone is well. Jennifer

Jennifer 10-23-2003 20:58

Rhoda,

I'm the only person in my family, on either side who has dyslexia.

Howard,

Grin, snort. You da funny guy (smiles and hugs).

Ciao for now.

RDRKO

Rachel 10-23-2003 16:57

NIGHT! -- he sat up all NIGHT!!
!!!!!grrhhhhhaaaaA

howard 10-23-2003 16:21

VIV -- No trouble at all, your new password is on its way to your email.

Can't resist this one -- apologies in advance...

Did you hear about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac who sat up all nught wondering if there really is a dog?

howard 10-23-2003 16:19

Dyslexia runs in my husband's family. Both of his brothers have it. Somehow it missed Frank.

Rhoda 10-23-2003 15:10

Rhoda,

Rachel sounds like she was a sweet heart. My kittens both were born in a barn. We were worried that they would be wild, they are not. Well, maybe a little wild (grins and laughter)!

Viv,

Yeah, I can imagine what that little girl is feeling (smiles). I was stamped and sealed as severe dyslexic when I was a kiddie. I had some advantages that got me all sorts of special attention (supposed to be quite the bright one, I am - grin/wink). Anyway, I hope that it goes well for this girl and that she establishes the paths for communication brain to fingers that she needs. I can remember thinking I had the words right, then being told they were wrong, or didn't make any sense. I think that about the worst hang over from dyslexia that I've got is the spelling. I always thought that it was a simple fact that I've got rotten spelling. More recently I looked at a lot of the errors that I make and see that dyslexia and I are still holding hands in some areas. It doesn't matter though. I've got spell check :o) Hum, looking back at dyslexia and school, I remember that the adults were nice (almost too nice) and the children were mean as hell. I hope this kid is okay and well treated by her school mates.

Ciao for now.

RDRKO

Rachel 10-23-2003 11:30

Jerry and other computer experts need some tips:

Another amazing day in the classroom. Today I worked with my first dislexic child. Can you imagine thinking of one word and having your hand write another. I'm amazed at how pleasant this little person is. If I were she, I'd throw the pen across the room and scream in disgust. (There's a ghost story for you. Your hand writes what you don't want, and ignores you when you want to write.)

She explained to me very sweetly, "I mean to write the word but my hand puts down another." Then we played with puppets and she orally gave me a complete story, good beginning, middle and end. I know that computers take voice commands. How does one begin with this? Is it very expensive and complex. We have Windows 97 in our classroom. (Not exactly a porsche of a computer)

A very disgusted me here. Howard, would you please resend that workbook password once Dorrie is better. I can't believe this. I was working with my e-mail and I accidently deleted everything...I think. I was deleting an e-mail that I knew had a virus. My friend called me and said to delete her e-mail because she had a virus. So I was deleting and boom, nothing there. Nothing in the trash either. Ran a virus check afterwards and got nothing. Lovely. So I guess it hit and ran.

However, Howard if you think it might infect your e-mail to send an e-mail, please don't send it to me at my mailbox. There are so many virus' out there right now. I am scared to put my new computer on the internet. I just use it for Word and Power Point. (And I bought it to make websites. :(

Carol: Once I have word from my husband and from my friend Chris who is a genius and computer whiz, and I'm sure I'm virus free, I will send you an e-mail. I also lost your e-mails. Not a happy camper about that.

My that was one laxative e-mail, and that's all I have to say on the subject. As frustrating as could be when you have one week's worth of vacation. The answer to this is to just get to writing and let the posting go until I get the password again.

So HOWARD, don't hurry. Relax and work for Dorrie this week. I'm so glad she's going to be ok and is in good hands.

As for those classes, how amazing they must be. Enjoy!

Viv 10-23-2003 8:09

HALLEE -- and all the rest -- thanks for your prayers and good thoughts for Dorie. The surgeon found two problems with her back, and said that, according to the MRI , she should have been in constant pain for the last several years, due to a vertebra being out of place. But this has not been the case -- the intense pain has been only in the past month. The other condition, with the herniated disk, is causing more numbness and weakness in her leg than anything else, but is a more immediate problem. So she's scheduled for surgery on 10/31 to correct that. He described it as a simple procedure, shouldn't take more than an hour, with an inch-long incision, and she'll have only an overnight stay in the hospital. Then after that heals, he'll address the other condition, first with therapy and injections, then surgery if necessary. We're thankful that it's not any worse than that.

Re Moles -- around here they're the size of a mouse, and if true moles, they don't much bother with the house. There's another critter about the same size called a Vole, and they do get into the house. We used to heat with wood, and the voles would come in and eat the bark off the forewood. I'd sit on the cellar steps and shoot them with .22 birdshot as they ran across the floor. The birdshot was fairly safe to use indoors, but once in a while I'd catch a pellet (they're tiny) that ricocheted back at me. They wouldn't break the skin much, but boy would they sting! They would drop the voles though, and I got to be a pretty good shot with them.
The thing about voles and moles is that cats will sometimes kill them, but they won't eat them like they will a mouse.

Speaking of mice -- we had a work night at church on Monday, and one of the chores was to cut down a big spruce tree that stood next to the driveway. it was about 40 years old, and had a sizeable layer of dead needles under it. There were several mice nesting in this, and they started skittering around. One ran right up our pastor's leg. He danced quite a jig!

Probably 15 years ago I saw our two cats in the front yard playing with a deer mouse. They're really quite a pretty little critter. This one was terrified, and the cats were just playing with it. So I walked out in the yard and interrupted their fun. The mouse ran up my leg (on the outside of my jeans), continued up the front of my shirt, and dove right into my shirt pocket! I was as startled as she was! She peeked out at me, and decided that she would be safe there for a while. The cats disappeared, and I bent over and dropped her out of my pocket onto the top of a boulder in our front yard. She sat there a minute, then darted into the space between the boulder and a piece of driftwood we had there for decoration. She had a nest under there with some babies in it. It was a neat experience!

howard 10-22-2003 22:55

RACHEL,

My cat, Rachel, was the best of hunters. She was also a wonderful cat, and my very first pet. I named her after a character in a movie, a little Jewish girl named Rachel who befriends a little Catholic boy. The movie was called HAND IN HAND. I don't know why the name impressed me so much, but I used it the first opportunity I had. Rachel the cat lived to the ripe old age of thirteen. In her long lifetime, she had many close calls. Once she was almost poisoned to death and then she was once hit by a car. Then she had gotten into many fights and had many wounds that needed the vet's care. Deep down she was really an old farm cat. I lost her when I was 20 and I still miss her. I miss them all, all my kitties that I have enjoyed and lost over the years.

RANDALL,

Hard to believe there was some hidden message in that stuff AMANDA put out, but I agree with you. With all the strange things going on in the world right now, one cannot rule out anything.

Rhoda 10-22-2003 22:09

Randall

Greetings my friends...

Jack, in light of certain posts which are appearing on your site...may I make a suggestion...a limit on the amount of insanity that will be tolerated? There are avenues around this I suppose... but it might make chronic offenders work harder. This site is in danger of being, if not already hijacked for reasons known only to sick minds. I feel that it may be someone who felt slighted on the site and exacting revenge. Sadly, there is no telling what coded messages might be in this weirdo's rambling. At least check the site frequently and delete such drivel as soon as it appears. Have you attempted to access the server that this dodo uses and lodge a complaint? I attempted to get to the end of the most recent post and my computer simply quit working. Whether this is related to the post or not is debatable.

Randall

Randall 10-22-2003 20:42

HALLEE: Sorry, I meant No. Not NO. :-)

Teekay 10-22-2003 18:01

HALLEE: NO, it's not a ghost story :-D
Though I would love to do one of those.
Mine is also an intrigue, romance, but it's a rather ridiculous one peopled with elderly characters clinging to the ways of the past in the modern day.

Lots of fun when I don't pressurise myself about what other people might like to read.

But wether anything comes of it or not, it's something I needed to do, if only for the learning experience.

3 chapters 8 days to go.

PHEW!

Gotta admit, I love that sense of having accomplished something when I finish off a chapter and run it through the printer.

What stage are you at with your Afghanistan intrigue/love story?

ALL:
Was thinking about GARIESS & ARIK last night. Wondering what's become of them, and missing them.

Going...

Teekay 10-22-2003 17:58

Rhoda!

How awful for your poor cat! I think it is so funny that you have a cat called Rachel (grins). I am sure that any being with the name Rachel would be good at what it did ;o) My two kittens are doing great. They are soooooo funny! They are brothers from the same litter and are adorable.

Litter,

My cats would love to chase after them for you. They get one now and then, but for the most part don't manage it. We don't worry much aboutt moles around here. They dig, the are, they make a snack for this and that. I guess if I had a show yard I would be quite worried. Hum, was my guess close? I didn't want to post it on the NB because I feel stupid tossing in my guess (blush).

Ciao for now.

RDRKO

Rachel 10-22-2003 17:25

Ack - I shoulda not been going so fast.

That should have been RHODA - my boss's wife (Rhonda) called while I was typing. And the "J" following the name should have been a smiley, but the word processor converted it, then this thingie conerted it again.

sigh

It's Wednesday. PMS sucks. That is all.

Hallee 10-22-2003 16:37

RHONDA: Hiya J (((hugs))) on the rejections. I like inspirationals, too. Unfortunately, I found it hard to write. I kept trying to stem my style. Once I let it go and decided I could go edit whatever would be inappropriate for that genre of book, I was okay. But then this new one bit me, and I’ve shelved it for a bit now.

JENNIFER: Some of my work is on one of my websites. I put the link above.

HOWARD: How did your Dorie’s appointment go today? You all, as always, remain in my prayers.

What is UP with these people with the long-assed rambling hate-filled posts?

TEEKAY: Is your book a ghost story? Every time I read a ghost story now, I think of you.

Hallee some short stories here 10-22-2003 16:35

LITTER,

I forgot to give you the Louisiana solution. Eat them. Shoot every mole you see. Freeze the meat and put it in soup or gumbo or somthing. Nutria are rat-like creatures that are found here in Louisiana. The state of Louisiana pays you $4.00 for every Nutria tail, plus you can buy Nutria meat in any specialty food store.

Would moles taste good in hagis? Try it. Smart people never ask what is in it. It either tastes good or it doesn't.

Rhoda 10-22-2003 15:04

LITTER,

I know nothing about moles. Are they as big as rats or bigger? Cats are great hunters, but moles are probably too big for most cats. Perhaps a good hunting dog would be a consideration. Can you keep bee-bee guns in the UK? You could at least get some sport while you do away with them.

I just hope you do not have to resort to poison. I hate rat and mouse poison, and I would never, never use it unless I had absolutely no other choice. One of my old cats was a great mouser, and a neighbor started to use rat poison. Poor Rachel, my cat, got very sick going after those poor mice who were slowed down and sickened by the poison, but not killed.

Are there traps for moles? I really never heard of a mole infestation. Interesting. We have had mice, and we did three things:

1.) Put the cat on them.

2.) Cleaned up whatever they could feed on (in our case it turned out to be grass seed).

3.) Set traps.

Those three things took care of the problem. If you starve the things off, they go away looking for greener fields. I think getting rid of the grass seed did more than anything else.

You might also want to have a building inspector look at your home and try to determine where the moles are coming in. You might have to replace some weather stripping or do some caulking.

Boy, for someone who knows nothing, I have had a lot to say! Hopefully something might help.

AMANDA does make YANG's advertisements look more palatable. At least YANG is involved in commerse and works for a living.

Rhoda 10-22-2003 14:59

Taylor,

I find it hard to look at her posts for more than a moment. That much print dedicated to what I view as unworthy of my attention has a way of making me look away ;o) I Amanda... Hum, can I fill in the rest (wicked laughter)!!!!

Nice to see you posting Taylor.

Take care you.

RDRKO

Rachel 10-22-2003 12:03

**Taylor**

Look closely Rachel: Damadian rearranged could be I Amanda

Taylor 10-22-2003 11:43

That "no" for the other thing was to indicate disagreement with your statement -- they DO write much better than I...

howard 10-22-2003 10:45

VIV -- The varieties are:

Spanish Roja
Inchelium Red
German Porcelain
Silver Rose
Plus the one I've been growing for years -- Chesnok Red.

Yes, I'm taking two "writing emphasis" classes, and yes, they like my poetry. And for the other thing, no. One of my teachers is Irish, grew up in England. She teaches the Story Telling and Folk Tales class that I'm taking, as well as different levels of writing classes, and she also teaches a class or two on Shakespeare. I may sign up for one of the Shakespeare classes. My other prof also teaches remedial writing (I've tutored in his classes), and is more into the poetry and short story end of things. He also organises the writing workshops for the school, and those are always interesting.

howard 10-22-2003 10:42

Litter:

I could do more harm than good trying that one. WEll I could agree with someone, but I'll just wait for the answer. This can be as dangerous as guessing someone's weight.

Howard:

My prayers are with you.

Debra 10-22-2003 9:08

Litter: On the moles, pour gasoline on cotton balls, put them down the holes then cover the tops of the holes. Do it to as many as you can.

Do not light the cotton balls on fire. Just the fumes are enough to drive them off permanently.

Howard: A garlic garden! Wonderful! What varieties did you plant? Where do they come from? Plus you are taking a writing class? Lucky you. You'll blow them away with your poetry. The professor won't be able to write as well as you do.

Viv 10-22-2003 9:06

LITTER -- I'd agree with MARK on that one. Either Katie or Kathy.

howard 10-21-2003 22:51

LITTER -- Katie?

Mark 10-21-2003 21:46

LITTER: Saytar?

Teekay 10-21-2003 19:03

Hi All,

Anyone know how to get rid of moles? (Short of high explosives) 12 years we've been in this house and never seen one of the little buggers, now we're overrun with them.

HOWADR – Good thoughts and prayers for Dorie's surgery and recovery.

Now for a little phonetics test – My daughter has decided on the name for her baby, which is due in three weeks, but is expected in the next week according to the midwife who saw her last. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to venture suggestions for the correct pronunciation of the name, WITHOUT referring to baby name books or the internet – just give it your best shot and see how you do. Her name is to be Ceiteag. Any offers?

Litter 10-21-2003 18:27

Hi All,

Anyone else see the anagram of Amanda in that last name? It also looked a little too close to CANADIAN for me. I honestly didn't read more than a line or more of either post. I can't stand when people drop off loads of crap to the NB.

Ah well. I had better dash. I've got a paper to write and need to clean the house before I sit down to it.

Ciao for now.

RDRKO

Rachel 10-21-2003 11:48

RHODA!!!! %$#*** ???

Such language from a lady!

:-)

Believe it or not, there are text generators that can create page after page of drivel such as that, simply by swallowing lists of phrases, digesting them, then spewing them out again. (Not saying which end they spew forth from).
But these are indeed entered by hand mostly -- there are maniacs out there who live for that purpose, and who get their kicks from producing such swill. These people are frightening. Have you ever read the Unibomber's "Manifesto?"

howard 10-21-2003 10:13

Has AMANDA hijacked the Notebook again? Why doesn't she sign up at Geocities and get her own %$#*** webpage. Pretty sick. I would not exactly call her an aspiring Matt Drudge.

HOWARD,

I am afraid you are right about password protection, though I would hate to see it. And these people are so lazy. No way did AMANDA just sit there and type all that crap in herself.

Rhoda 10-21-2003 8:41

Yecchhh! If this kind of stuff keeps up we might all have to adjourn to the workbook! At least it's password protected!

howard 10-21-2003 8:17

The Story of Raymond DAMADIAN

**
The Story of Independent Scientist Dr. Raymond DAMADIAN and a bite of imagination around the MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging)

**

- Imagination?

- Truth dear!.. Something ridiculous, beyond glamorous!.. This is a brand new RIDICULOUS FRAUD of the ZIONIST COMMITTEE MEMBERS; NOBEL PRIZE in MEDICINE (dis)MISSED the TRUE SCIENTIST!.. Sure, this is a true story of dismissed Scientist Raymond Damadian. Big shame, calls as "NPR case", too, I don't know why..
- Tv documentary team exposes today this clip;
Shameful Prize Scandal, Nobel 2003 in Medicine... - Folk says that
wrong persons awarded!... Nobel committee members drank so much, this time...
- Scandinavia is famous as drug paradise by official figures... - Frankly
thus shurk committee's corrupted friends prized; also, foxies Paul
Laterbur&Peter Mansfield... - Let's watch this interesting tv clip!..

**
- Nobel prize winners announced...
- The Nobel prize winners were announced recently, and not for the first time
there has been some controversary involved . Both the prize for Medicine and for
Physics were awarded for contributions to the development of Magnetic Resonance
Imaging (MRI). Paul Laterbur, and Peter Mansfield, were awarded the prize for
Medicine, while the prize for Physics went to Vitaly Ginsburg, Alexei Abrikosov
and Anthony Leggett. But a US researcher claims "the Nobel committee is
rewriting history"
- Nobel Prize in Medicine Contested and GeoGreg reporteed; "The AP is reporting
that Dr. Raymond Damadian is asking the Nobel committee to add him to the list
of recipients of this year's prize in medicine. His company claims that he made
the key discovery leading to MRI, and that the two recipients (Paul Laterbur and
Peter Mansfield) made technological improvements. This link indicates that
Damadian showed that magnetic resonance could distinguish between types of
tissue, while Laterbur and Mansfield showed that images could be formed using
magnetic resonance." - But the truth was little different... Committee
stink this time, very ugly... - Well, I've got to say that from that summary,
it does sound as if he has been overlooked and deserves to be recognised.
- If he's been overlooked, that's too bad, and maybe the Nobel Committee screwed
up. But they're not going to change their minds, and by whining about it, he
just makes himself look bitter. He's exactly right -- they are "above the law
and accountable to no one." And that means they can give their prize to whomever
they damn well choose. Right now, even though there are other awards that have a
higher monetary value, the Nobel is the most prestigious because of its name and
history. If they have a few spectacular screwups, maybe that won't be the case
any more, and Damadian will be vindicated. But that's history's judgement to
make.
- I agree. It's their choice, and it's their right to say "Sorry". And I'm glad
that the Nobel commite isn't in the US or they'd probably be sued every year.
That said, I still think is sounds like he deserves to be recognised. Just a
simple "he helped", "he contributed", or the guys who got it could say "we
couldn't have done it if we didn't know what he found out". But I agree, they
shouldn't be forced to give the prize to him too or anything.
- I heard an interview on NPR with one of the scientists who DID win, and either
he or the reporter noted that one of the things that had held up the awarding of
a prize for MRI for many years was the dispute over whether this third guy got
included or not. I didn't get any impression from the scientist that he
particularly cared. Which means that it was up to the Nobel committee, and they
made their decision after apparently looking at the question of whether he
should be included or not many times over the last decade or more. That said, I
suspect that the committee believes they made the right decision. The fact that
this guy is coming back with sour grapes now sure doesn't seem very
professional.
- The other way the story is being told is that the guy wouldn't accept if Dr D
was on it too. They had a long and bitter fight over priority which Dr D won.
- The Nobel prize committee can only choose between those people who are
noiminated, they can't nominate people themselves. So he shouldn't bitch to the
Nobel committee that they didn't choose him -- they didn't have the option to.
He should be bitching to the people who didn't nominate him with the others. In
either case, bitching and whining about not wining a prize is bad form. (I know
a similar case where someone's collaborators won the Nobel, but he wasn't
nominated. He wasn't happy about it, but his reaction was more "oh well".) - I
agree. It's their choice, and it's their right to say "Sorry". And I'm glad that
the Nobel commite isn't in the US or they'd probably be sued every year. That
said, I still think is sounds like he deserves to be recognised. Just a simple
"he helped", "he contributed", or the guys who got it could say "we couldn't
have done it if we didn't know what he found out". But I agree, they shouldn't
be forced to give the prize to him too or anything.
- I heard an interview on NPR with one of the scientists who DID win, and either
he or the reporter noted that one of the things that had held up the awarding of
a prize for MRI for many years was the dispute over whether this third guy got
included or not. I didn't get any impression from the scientist that he
particularly cared. Which means that it was up to the Nobel committee, and they
made their decision after apparently looking at the question of whether he
should be included or not many times over the last decade or more. That said, I
suspect that the committee believes they made the right decision. The fact that
this guy is coming back with sour grapes now sure doesn't seem very
professional.
- If he's been overlooked, that's too bad, and maybe the Nobel Committee screwed
up. But they're not going to change their minds, and by whining about it, he
just makes himself look bitter. He's exactly right -- they are "above the law
and accountable to no one." And that means they can give their prize to whomever
they damn well choose. Right now, even though there are other awards that have a
higher monetary value, the Nobel is the most prestigious because of its name and
history. If they have a few spectacular screwups, maybe that won't be the case
any more, and Damadian will be vindicated. But that's history's judgement to
make.
- It's ludicrous to think that the nobel committee would give the award to an
avowed creationist. it really doesn't matter that he invented the process. to
give this man a nobel would bring the prize into disrepute.
- Oh, christ, get over over the whole creationist thing already. It's one of
those beliefs that people don't just change, so there's no point in berating
them about it. The fact that he's a creationist (which I haven't even checked
for validity) has nothing to do with whether or not he invented the MRI idea.
- What on earth makes you think that a person's religious beliefs have anything
at all to do with whether or not they are eligible for the Nobel Prize? "Oh, I'm
sorry, you believe in Thor, so we can't possible give you this honor, but we
would have given it to you if you didn't... I don't suppose you could stop
believing in him for a couple of weeks, could you?"
- Would you give a prestigious scientific award to, say, a chemist who believed
the world was flat and the heavenly bodies rotated around it, regardless of his
contributions to chemistry?
- They gave one to a guy who's best friend was a firment of his imagination
[abeautifulmind.com], didn't they? If Watson & Crick had believed the world sat
on the back of a giant turtle, they still discovered DNA, and that's still a
Nobel-worthy achievement. For pete's sake, Alfred Nobel himself believed that if
he created a destructive enough weapon, it would end mankind's penchant for war.
Ergo, the Nobel Prize signifies ACHIEVEMENT, not BELIEF.
- Wasn't that schizophrenia? Creation science is a willing belief. I may think
people who go all out to prove dinosaurs are just a 'mystery' put down by God
are a little bit nuts, but it's not a mental illness.
- Anyone who thinks anything is put on earth as just a 'mystery' is a bit
silly.. Even the Church goers I'm friends with believe everything has a place
and a reason, but anyway... If you're taught something is true from birth.. and
you actually feel bound to it for the rest of your life, how is that different?
I mean, most Christians I know don't go oh.. I have no idea if God is real, but
I'm going to believe in him anyway. Being religious or not is not as simple as
deciding whether you'd rather have a car or a truck. This is something embedded
in their mind their entire life. They feel it is true with all their heart, and
it has absolutely nothing to do with their achievements..
- In some cases, yes it is. Overall though, I don't think so, but even if you
could say that.. What does a fixation with seeking identity have to do with
science?
- It's a lot like being gay, isn't it. I mean that deep need to join in the
Christian thing. It's like a deep seated fixation with seeking identity. Don't
you think.
- In some cases, yes it is. Overall though, I don't think so, but even if you
could say that.. What does a fixation with seeking identity have to do with
science?

**

- U.S. doctor makes rare protest over Nobel prize, reports tv redaction on 10
october 2003. Reuters referred... A U.S. doctor who owns a patent on magnetic
resonance imaging machines has made a rare public denouncement of the Nobel
Prize for Medicine committee, saying it explicitly omitted him from Monday's
shared award.

In a full page advertisement in The New York Times on Friday and The Washington
Post on Thursday, Raymond Damadian, president and founder of Fonar Corp.,
described the prize as "The Shameful Wrong That Must Be Righted."

The advertisement said that the two men who won the Nobel, Paul C. Lauterbur of
the University of Illinois and Sir Peter Mansfield of the University of
Nottingham, England, made technological improvements based on Damadian's work.

"When the announcement came out, my reaction was that I had been robbed of 33
years of my identity," Damadian, 67, told Reuters in a telephone interview. "The
Nobel committee is rewriting history and is engaged in a revision of history."

Damadian discovered in 1970 that differences between cancerous tissue and normal
tissue could be seen using nuclear magnetic resonance, a precursor to MRI
technology. His Melville, New York-based company makes and designs MRI scanners
that allow patients to stand up during the procedure.

Jealousy and complaints over Nobel laureates named in Sweden and Norway every
October are common, but public displays of disappointment and criticism such as
Damadian's are not.

In Stockholm, Hans Jornvall, secretary of the Nobel Assembly at Karolinska
Institutet, which picks the winner in medicine, said he was convinced the award
was correct and added that a Nobel prize could not be appealed.

"This is the first time I have heard of somebody taking out an advertisement,"
Jornvall said. "Science is my lfe. I would like it always to be happy but this
situation is clearly not happy."

- "DISREGARD FOR TRUTH", folk says...
- It's true!.. Damadian said that aside from his personal grievance, he believed
the Nobel committee had shown "wanton disregard for the truth" over the years.
He accused the panel of deliberately excluding him from the award worth $1.3
million.

"They did what they did fully knowing the evil of what they were doing. They
have a place for three awardees and they had to go out of their way to
explicitly exclude me."

The newspaper advertisement, which includes an inverted Nobel medal, quote
Damadian's colleagues and several authors of books about MRI technology.

"The reason that we are so disappointed and even angry is because the work was
done here at this institution, at this medical school," said Dr. Eugene
Feigelson, dean of the State University of New York college of medicine on Long
Island, where Damadian is on staff.

"All of the development on MRI -- and by the way this is not in any way meant to
take anything away from Professor Lauterbur and Professor Mansfield -- but all
of MRI rests on the fundamental work that Dr. Damadian has done here," Feigelson
said in a telephone interview.

The Washington Post said in a separate news article on Friday that the
advertisement cost about $80,000. The New York Times ad cost about $122,000,
according to its posted rates.

Damadian received the National Medal of Technology in 1988 from President Ronald
Reagan and he was inducted into the Inventors Hall of Fame in 1989. His first
patent based on his 1970 discovery, was affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court in
1997. - Additional reporting by Maggie Fox in Washington and Patrick
McLoughlin in Stockholm - Welcome!..

**
- Do we see other newspapers? - Here!.. Los Angeles Times
and Thomas H. Maugh II and Charles Piller wrote on
Oct. 11, 2003: Scientist buying ads to protest MRI Nobel... MRI prize is his
by right, he says... In an unusual public protest, a New York scientist placed
full-page ads in at least three major newspapers, claiming he was unfairly
denied the Nobel Prize in physiology or medicine, which was awarded to two other
scientists for the invention of magnetic resonance imaging, or MRI.

The ads, totaling an estimated $290,000 in the New York Times, the Los Angeles
Times and the Washington Post, claimed that the actual inventor of MRI was Dr.
Raymond Damadian, president and founder of Fonar Corp. on Long Island, N.Y.

The Nobel Prize was awarded Monday to Paul Lauterbur of the University of
Illinois and Sir Peter Mansfield of the University of Nottingham in England,
whose contributions to MRI development are widely acknowledged.

The ads, paid for by Fonar, claimed that the Nobel committee was "revising
history" by failing to acknowledge Damadian's role in developing the technology,
which is now extensively used for imaging internal organs for diagnosing
disease.

The ads, which appeared Thursday in the Post and Friday in the other newspapers,
claimed that Damadian made the "breakthrough" that led to MRI and that the Nobel
committee "did one thing it had no right to do: It ignored the truth."

But other scientists believe Damadian's claim is groundless.

"Most of us in the field would clearly think (the Nobel committee) got it right
this time," said Dr. E. James Potchen, a radiologist at Michigan State
University. "It was a wise, conscientious decision."

Lauterbur could not be reached for comment, but his wife said that he preferred
not to discuss Damadian's claims. Mansfield also could not be reached for
comment.

The ad featured an upside down photo of the Nobel medal and was headlined, "A
Shameful Wrong that Must Be Righted."

Up until the 1970s, magnetic resonance, then called nuclear magnetic resonance,
was a tool of chemists to deduce structure of organic molecules.

Damadian, 67, made a key contribution in the field. In 1971, he reported in the
journal Science that the radio signals emitted by cancerous tissue were
different from those emitted by healthy tissues.

Damadian envisioned an MRI scanner that would take pictures of the body's
interior, drew up plans for constructing such a machine and received several
patents. There was only one problem, Bottomley and other experts said: Damadian
was never able to use his idea to produce actual images.

**
- Scientists in the MRI community are not totally surprised by Damadian's
protest. Some said Damadian has always been bold in seeking ...
- You mean? - Not me, Washington Post redacteur... - Show me
it, please!...
- Welcome: In a Funk Over the No-Nobel Prize
Overlooked MRI Pioneer Lobbies Against Decision
By David Montgomery
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 10, 2003; Page C01
As the Nobels have been unveiled all week, reporters have been calling up
laureates every day and asking where they were when they heard the news, and how
does it feel to be a winner. But what about the losers? Where were they and how
did it feel?
Raymond Damadian was at his computer at home on Long Island at 5:30 Monday
morning, logging on to the Nobel Foundation Web site. This was the precise
moment when the prize for medicine was to be announced. And there it was: He
immediately saw that the work being honored was magnetic resonance imaging --
MRI -- his field! He knew from colleagues that he had been nominated for the
prize this year, and several previous years.
He checked the names of the winners.
"I went from my computer into my bedroom," Damadian said yesterday. "My wife
said, 'What happened?' I said they gave it to [Paul C.] Lauterbur and [Sir
Peter] Mansfield and they left me out."
How did that moment feel?
A pause.
"Agony," he recalled. "I know the outcome of this is to be written out of
history altogether."
He tuned out the inevitable media reports of Lauterbur and Mansfield savoring
their own personal leaps into history. "It was too much for me to bear."
But unlike most Nobel also-rans, Damadian is not giving up so easily. Yesterday
his MRI manufacturing company on Long Island, Fonar Corp., took out a full-page
ad in The Washington Post headlined "The Shameful Wrong That Must Be Righted."
It quoted scientists saying he was robbed. It quoted textbooks attesting to his
contribution to the now ubiquitous technology -- 60 million MRI exams were given
last year -- that employs high-powered magnets and radio waves to produce images
of soft tissue inside the body that once was invisible to doctors unless they
cut open the patient.
The ad charged that "inexcusable disregard for the truth has led the [Nobel]
committee to make a decision that is simply outrageous," and it provided a
clip-out form for supporters to mail protests directly to the Nobel arbiters in
Stockholm.
Such ads in the Post typically cost just over $80,000, and Damadian said he will
place more in other newspapers.
It's one physician-inventor's campaign to get his name added to the award for
medicine before it is officially presented later this year.
"I know that had I never been born, there would be no MRI today," Damadian said.
Nobel selections often result in jealousy and hurt feelings, but a public
crusade is rare.
"Usually they don't advertise and usually they don't ask everyone to write us,"
said Hans Jornvall, secretary of the 50-member Nobel Assembly at Karolinska
Institutet, which picks the winner in medicine, speaking from Sweden.
He said Nobel officials never comment on Nobel Prize losers.
"To us," he said, "mankind is divided into two groups of people: those who have
got the award and those who have still not got it. . . . The ones who have still
not got it we don't say anything about."
Of those who got it, Lauterbur -- at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
-- and Mansfield -- at the University of Nottingham -- Jornvall said: "We think
they are excellent laureates."
The Nobel Assembly's statement on the winners said Lauterbur and Mansfield "made
seminal discoveries" that "led to the development of modern magnetic resonance
imaging, MRI, which represents a breakthrough in medical diagnostics and
research."
Scientists in the MRI community are not totally surprised by Damadian's protest.
Some said Damadian has always been bold in seeking recognition and has pined for
a Nobel Prize. But there are varying views in the scientific community about the
proper distribution of credit for developing MRI.
"We are perplexed, disappointed and angry about the incomprehensible exclusion"
of Damadian from the prize, said Eugene Feigelson, dean of the college of
medicine at SUNY Downstate Medical Center, where Damadian did his work related
to MRI. "MRI's entire development rests on the shoulders of Damadian's
discovery. . . . "
Damadian's discovery, beginning with experiments in 1969, was that cancerous and
normal tissue could be distinguished using a precursor technology then known as
nuclear magnetic resonance. In 1977 he developed a scanning machine, called
"Indomitable," now owned by the Smithsonian National Museum of American History
and on loan to an inventors' hall of fame in Ohio.
Working separately in subsequent years, Lauterbur and Mansfield developed more
sophisticated methods to capture images of tissue that were clearer, quicker and
easier to use.
"In my opinion, Paul Lauterbur and Peter Mansfield deserve the Nobel Prize,"
said Alex Pines, an expert in nuclear magnetic resonance at the University of
California at Berkeley. "In a leap of creative genius, they came up with the
gradient imaging methodology that forms the basis for what today is known as
MRI."
Damadian's camp characterizes Lauterbur's and Mansfield's work as technological
refinements of Damadian's central insight, while the Nobel Assembly and other
scientists say Lauterbur's and Mansfield's breakthroughs were "discoveries" in
their own right. The documentation that the assembly used to choose Lauterbur
and Mansfield -- and exclude anyone else -- will remain secret for 50 years,
under Nobel rules, Jornvall said.
Mansfield could not be reached for comment, and Lauterbur said through his wife
that he preferred not to comment on Damadian's claims.
Damadian, 67, grew up in Queens and became a varsity tennis player and an
accomplished violinist before getting a medical degree. When he was a boy, his
grandmother was dying of cancer in the family's home, and her moans kept him
awake at night. Later, as a specialist in internal medicine, he was frustrated
that patients could have cancers that were undetectable -- and, doing research
with mouse tumors and magnets, he hit on his big idea.
He knows his campaign to get a Nobel this year may be a long shot. Once winners
have been announced, the assembly never changes its mind, according to Jornvall.
But Damadian says the battle is bigger than he is. In his view, the Nobel
Assembly has become the great arbiter of who goes down in the annals of medicine
-- yet its judgments are accountable to no one and not subject to appeal.
His campaign is on behalf of all the losers history might forget.
Staff writer Rick Weiss contributed to this report
**
- Christian Monitor issues publishing very sharp critics against the
Scandinavian Zionist lobbies..Christians show solidarity by the side of Damadian
and publishing interesting discussons... - Read us an example,
please? - Did Nobel Committee Ignore MRI Creator Because of
Creationism?, redaction of Christian Today asks.. And headed an article: "The
faith-based initiative hold-up, freedom to worship at home, and other stories
from online sources around the world.",
compiled by Ted Olsen on 10/10/2003: Not everybody on the Nobel Committee loves
Raymond Damadian
While today's Nobel Peace Prize announcement will no doubt reignite discussion
over whether Islam is a religion of peace, and may cause some to ask what
happened to the buzz that Pope John Paul II would win, others are still
discussing the controversy over this year's Nobel Prize in medicine.

The Nobel Committee on Monday announced that the prize would be awarded to Paul
C. Lauterbur and Peter Mansfield, for their discoveries concerning magnetic
resonance imaging, or MRI scans.

But when you ask Google who invented the MRI, the most common answer is Raymond
V. Damadian. What's up? The controversy has been percolating, and The Wall
Street Journal reported last year that "a ferocious battle in the scientific
community over who gets credit" probably held up an MRI-related Nobel for years.

A full-page ad in yesterday's The Washington Post said the Nobel committee was
"attempting to rewrite history" and "did one thing it has no right to do: It
ignored the truth."

Likewise, Damadian told Newsday, "I can't escape the fact that I started it all.
… My concern is the distortion by the Nobel Committee to write me out of the
history of the MRI. Every history book from now on will say the MRI is Lauterbur
and Mansfield."

"I know that had I never been born, there would be no MRI today," he told The
Washington Post.

Many scientists agree, but some suggest that Damadian's self-promotion may have
hurt him. He's "sometimes flamboyant," NPR science correspondent Richard Knox
told All Things Considered yesterday.

But Knox, along with Reason magazine's Ronald Bailey, suggested another reason
Damadian may have been disregarded: He's a devout Christian (see this 1997
profile in Christianity Today sister publication Christian Reader) who believes
in creationism. In fact, he's on the Technical Advisory Board for the Institute
for Creation Research, and on the reference board for Answers in Genesis's
upcoming Creation Museum.

"He's identified by many web sites as a prominent creation scientist," Knox
said. "I have no first-hand knowledge of his beliefs, but it's fair to say that
most scientists are not creationists and tend to look askance at scientists who
believe that way, but it's really impossible to know if the Nobel Committee took
that into account."

Bailey similarly writes, "I have no inside information, but I wonder if the
committee was swayed by the fact that Damadian, although a brilliant inventor,
is apparently a creation science nut. In ironic contrast, Lauterbur's current
research is on the chemical origins of life."

The Nobel Committee, meanwhile, says it doesn't talk about why certain people
don't receive the prizes. It only talks about why winners do.

Watch this space
Lots of links below, but come back this afternoon for even more, along with
fresh news and commentary. It's a busy religion news day, so we couldn't fit it
all in this morning.

**

- What are the students talking on this scandal?
- Very interesting thoughts... Listen to this record, please!..
- This is Shocking...Just Shocking... A doctor is accusing a Nobel Prize
Committee of a "wanton disregard for the truth." Dr. Raymond Damadian took out a
full page ad in both "The New York Times" and "The Washington Post" complaining
he should have shared in the Nobel Prize for Medicine. This year's prize went to
two men for their work on MRI technology. Dr. Damadian says their work was based
on his research and he should have been named an awardee as well. Damadian
discovered in 1970 that differences between cancerous tissue and normal tissue
could be seen using nuclear magnetic resonance, a precursor to MRI technology.
The secretary of the Nobel Assembly believes the award is correct, and says
Nobel prizes can't be appealed.
You mean the same group that has given a Nobel Peace Prize to Yasser Arafat. The
same group that gave extra points for a peace prize to Pope John Paul II only
after he came out against the war in Iraq? I'm shocked that these people would
have a wonton disregard for the truth. That couldn't happen, could it? -
Damn Nobel hypocrisy!..

**

- Read the petitions examples, too.. Not only today's!.. Begin with 80s, 90s,
look at this headline, for example; "evolution-based humanistic education
system"... - Who demands such dangerous matters in "our US"? -
Guess!..

**
- There are Scientists and the Newsmakers on the Scientical issues.. It's not
the same matter..
- Okay!.. What is the comments of Science-news-makers front?
- I read the news on 9 october 2003; one of the biggest monitor reports:
Damadian gets upset about the Nobel... As I predicted the other day, it didn't
take long for Raymond Damadian to get very upset about not being awarded the
Nobel Prize.

Today's Washington Post had a full-page advertisement claiming Damadian should
have been awarded the prize and included a cut-out form to send to the Nobel
committee.

I don't think the advertisement really helped his case. Presumably it is not a
good idea to try to influence the austere, traditional and serious Nobel
committee by proclaiming loudly that they screwed up in a major way.

"You suck! Now honour me!" is rarely an effective strategy.

And yet, there are many Damadian supporters out there. Some of them were quoted
in the newspaper advertisement. However, I have been speaking with many
scientists about this over the past few days and the matter is definitely not as
simple as Damadian claims. Perhaps it will be impossible to ever get to the
bottom of this, but we can be pretty sure that the Nobel committee tried it's
best to do so. (We'll find out in 2053 when the files become public.)

A few people rose up to defend Damadian in the comments of my post below and I
reprint one of them and my response here.

From comments to my post:

"Damadian had some ideas that were interesting but wrong, ..."
Hello? Damadian made the only actual "discovery" in among Lauterbur, Mansfield
and himself. NMR and T1/T2 lay in the hands of physicists and chemists for 40
years and no one ever even remotely thought of using this for medical purposes.
Until Damadian, as an MD and scientist, discovered that T1/T2 are different for
different tissues and that cancerous tissue emits different signals than healthy
tissue of the same organ. He got ridiculed alot for suggesting a whole body
scanner. Scientists with physics and chemistry background asked him how fast he
intends to spin his patients (alluding to the dato common technique for NMR
signal measurement). THIS discovery of T1/T2 in tissue is what the Nobel prize
should have gone to. Alfred Nobel explicitly required that the Nobel prize in
Medicine go to a discovery! The prize for physics can go to a discovery or
invention, in Chemistry for a discovery or a process ...

Moreover, Damadian clearly set the vision by patenting a decive for detecting
cancer. Taking the signals and drawing them on a piece of paper (and doing it
quickly and efficiently) was Lauterbur's achievement. Yet, as Damadian once
said, if he hadn't been, would we have MRI today? He (and I concur) doesn't
think so. If Lauterbur hadn't been, he would have gotten there himself.
Eventually.

Not to belittle the importance of Lauterbur's contribution, but after crediting
Damadian in his personal notebook on the day of his great idea, he failed to
ever credit Damadian in his publications and thus, he has commited the worst
scientific crime - that of plagiarism.

MCR • 10/9/03; 10:07:41 AM

My response:

"Hello? Damadian made the only actual "discovery" in among Lauterbur, Mansfield
and himself."
That is clearly an incorrect statement, regardless of what you think Damadian's
role is. Nobody is arguing that Lauterbur and Mansfield weren't deserving of the
Nobel (except perhaps you). The question is what is Damadian's role in all of
this.

"Until Damadian, as an MD and scientist, discovered that T1/T2 are different for
different tissues and that cancerous tissue emits different signals than healthy
tissue of the same organ."

Damadian did in fact publish a paper that said that T1/T2 are different for
healthy and cancerous tissues. However, that turned out to be wrong. Nobody was
able to replicate the work and the conclusion was based on a small data set that
had poor statistical resolution. It is now well accepted that the claim in his
paper was incorrect. That is not to say it was a bad paper - just that the claim
didn't hold up. That's why scientists retest discoveries. There's nothing bad
about publishing something wrong. Claiming that it was correct in the light of
further evidence is not a good thing, however.

Part of the reason that he had such poor statistics was that his technique only
allowed for a point-by-point analysis of the sample. This was so time-consuming
and difficult that not much data could be collected. It also made the techique,
even if it really did show something, unsuitable for scanning any significant
quantity of tissue.

So the claim that Damadian's discovery that T1/T2 are different for cancerous
and non-cancerous tissues was wrong. Tell me again why a wrong claim is
deserving of a Nobel prize? If you want to argue that Damadian deserves the
prize, you'll need to come up with a different argument.

It sounds like you're quoting ideas from Damadian's full page advertisement in
today's Washington Post rather than coming up with something solid or
independent. If you have more information, then I'd love to hear it.

The reason why MRI can detect cancers is because of the boundaries that exist
between healthy and cancerous tissue showing up - but that requires the spatial
resolution of the tissue - exactly what Lauterbur figured out. He discovered how
to get spatial data by setting up the magnetic fields with appropriate
gradients.

Mansfield's contribution is without question - he worked out what needed to be
done to deconvolve the data obtained in two-dimensional scanning. It's an idea
that somebody else would have had even if he hadn't but he did figure that out
first.

Resolving this issue comes down to whether or not you think a Nobel should be
awarded to somebody who has a general idea or to the person who actually figures
out how the idea really works. This is related to the idea of "concept patents".
Interestingly, Damadian only won his lawsuit for patent infringement because the
laws at the time allowed him to claim priority using a "concept patent". The law
has changed and if he were to embark on that lawsuit today, it appears he would
have lost.

It's pretty clear to the people who were around at the time that Lauterbur
really did figure out the details. Sure Damadian had a conceptual idea that was
good even if it took him in the wrong direction. But if Nobels were awarded to
the people who had the conceptual idea, then a significant number of Nobels
should have gone to different people - often people who didn't understand the
problem as well as those who figured out the details and were actually awarded
the prizes.

**

- I read the appeals of Damadian and found parallel points with Mel Gibson
case... - Explain please.. - They are working on different areas,
both they are very close on the principles to be independent and cused anger by
AIPAC. - I know many attitudes by Damadian and understand that this
Armenian Scientist made red-hot by such lobbies... But how caused a film
producer to be fallen similarly position and... - Well, Gibson refuseed
sponsring the lobbies and didn't change screen-play, too... Movie star Mel
Gibson's controversial $25 million film about Jesus has sparked a new battle —
among Jews. For months, Gibson's "The Passion" has spurred headlines from the
Los Angeles Times to The New York Times, from Fox News to The New Yorker, for
its reportedly graphic portrayal of the last days of Jesus and its laying heavy
blame for his death on the Jews. Much of the media coverage has focused on the
conflict between Gibson, who belongs to a traditionalist Catholic sect opposed
to Vatican reforms in general, and some Jewish figures who warn the film will
stir anti-Semitism by splicing together the most anti-Jewish portions of the New
Testament gospels with extra-biblical writings of mystics who blamed all Jews
for the crucifixion. - Okay!... I undersatdn, if Nobel prize should be
shared on cinema, so we should witness two guys side by side; MRI creator and
Independent Film producer.. - So you can interprete my minds... -
Excuse me Sir; I wonder why the muslims shared Nobel prize.. - You mean
Mammele Ebadi? - Not only this woman!.. Remember, last year won not
single one woman, all the winner were the men, because last year were the big
occupations, big invasions on the big countries like Balkan, Chechenia,
Afghanistan, Iraq and all these investments need "secon hand" propaganda
instruments; it's ongoin Cold War and it's the work of "guys".. The "hot-war"
is the work of guys, not the Selma Lagerlös doggies, nor Mammele Ebadi... -
And now? - Now we succeed on many areas worldwide and now we aim to
destruct Iran, North Korea... Therefore I brought Damadian's before speechs and
petitions.. Read other pages, too; please.. So we can compare it better..
Compare with the nobel winner muslim guys and Damadian!... Damadian looks like
more muslim when you see the true face of the fake muslims, charlatan
satellites... - I see.. If Damadian could be muslim scientist, so we
should witness much more cruel results... - Don't mind Nobel prize;
compare his before appeals and Ahmed Rami's appeals.. Here!.. Read all these
collected examples... - Wow!.. Damadian was been "black-listed" just
before Nobel scandals.. - He was been registrated and pursued by the lobbbies
but Nobel fraud been last one drop so Damadian awakened... - When I
read all these elderly appeals and pettions so I afraid Damadian should handled
like a "psyco", what the many intellectuals processed...
- I am thinking different.. I f Damadian never signed such actions, perhaps he
could get a chance... But not so stronger chance.. It's not enough to be fake
muslim, too... - What more? - It's not enough to be first at all
the first on science or litterature... Oif Adalian should be pedophile, maybe
sould bigger chance as awarded by Nobel homos chorus...
- There are many awarded people, even their relatives can't remember if they
really the scientists or charlatans...
- Like Selma Lagerlös, she never wrote poem but on the Nobel-list she calls
"poet", instead of thif, copied folk-saga wealth of oppressed Scandinavians...
- Drug was free in Sweden, but ut's ot so liberal market nowadays... I
understand.. - If you corrupt an authority, it's crime and you find yourself
in the prison. But when you build a foundation and buy the brains of selected
persons under label "prize", so it will be legalized issue; most lefgalized
corrupt labeled "Nobel"... Therefore they use both imported figures by the side
of our bastard arrangers, like Uffe Ekman... - Who is that girl? -
Man, holy liar Ulf Ekman.. Read their own pages, please; you understand such
Svekish words; here is a wonderful description on this instrument: Pastor och
judisk bastard; "Godfader of Holy falsification" för härvan Livets Ord . Han är
en av de fanatiska Zionist Mafia-vänner, har bl.a. skrivet boken "Judarna -
Framtidens folk", där han visar hur det är vår plikt som icke-judar att slava
för det judiska folket - till sin hjälp för att förklara detta citerar Ekman
bibelcitat från den judiska bibeln - Torahn. Typisk religiös kollaboratör
fascist i branschen av kristen-Nazi-Zionist triangel.
Förenade Israelinsamlingen - Keren Hayesod: En mäktig judisk organisation, med
global täckning och lokalavdelningar över hela världen. Arbetar med att samla in
pengar till den s k Zionist military Mafia USrael genom pengainsamlingar och
donationer från förmögna judar i "diasporan". Den svenska lokalavdelningen har
en egen tidning som heter "Menorah". Goj: (goy, pluralis. gojim el. goyim)
Nedlåtande judisk beteckning på icke-judar. Synonymt med
"boskap", "kreatur" enligt dem, den form av fascist syn relaterat med judiska
uttrycket "Shabbaz Goj".
- This an enormous double moral machine, it stinks much more in last time...
Machine has two sides; a side of these lobbies discrimate persons and recruits
only the selected loyal members in false democracy areas and second one side of
the troops going to eliminate people on the occupied areas... A soft side and a
bloody backside of an enorms process...
- Look at the AMS, for example it worjks like a kind of mniature model of Nobel
committees; here the persons get first true jobs, who licks the ass of zionist
chiefs.. Meantime these authorities discriminate the honoured intellectuals... I
met well-known examples, jobless academicians too.. There are many persons much
more talented than COETZEEE and Mammele EBADI, there are much more Humanist
Jurists, Humanist Poems, Writers who are the victims of satellite regimes..
These pursued heroes really show engagement on many areas but these pursued
persons are still under heavy persecution process... I met the true heroes of
human rights, been jobless because they never collaborated with the judaized
Imperilaism.. I know many living examples, sice 15 years going jobless... Many
of them used in the laboratories, many of them are not aware...
- Many of them above listed offices and leagues, too.. They have been used as
animals in the laboratories, but they don't aware on such process..
- You mean the false "Jobbcentrum Vårberg"?.. - Such ridiculous process
centres of hypocrisy system... - I understand!.. All these registrated
intellectuals handled more cruel than non-talented immigrants...Because,
imperialism afraid of the brains at work nor the "living creatures"...
- Sweden has at least an half million registrated jobless... Massdiscrimination,
human and no single one "jobseeker Jew"... Like a kind of dynasty...
- Many pursued persons get no single one true cnace in work lihe... All life
long!.. This is a crime!...
- Discrimination is a crime, true!..
- Discrimination and persecution are the exercution of liberal capitalist
barbarity!...
- Satellites living in an ocean of double standards... They give Nobel prize to
the lapdogs and meantime don't see the reality in their own backstage..
- Are we, ordinary people are all together the animals?
- According to Jewish dogmatism; yes!... A kind of "Animaniacs", what the boss
of Swedish cultur-market describes...... If you accept that Jews are first class
human and you are animal, serious; so you can take permanent chance for recruits
in the liberalized work world...
- Now I understand better, why any selected immigrants take always chance to be
personnel in Scandinavia!..
- This is a chain!..
- Dirty and bloody chain, but you must use label "culture"!.. This is the
validity in this community which rules under Zionist domination... - What
I learned here, you know? - What? - Ahmed RAMI should be
stronger candidate to NOBEL prize, if he should be traitor like these false
Cubanos, Persian whores or traitor Kurds, pedophilia criminals by neo-liberal
fascist leagues of Folkpartiet... - Dr. Raymond Damadian should
absolutely nominated to Nobel prize if he was one of the Swedish pedophile
doctors.. You know, most wanted pedophile doctors exposed in other countries but
they released in Sweden when the authorities marked their lobby relations...
This system prizes such instruments, not the true independent scientists... -
Sir, you describe what we think!.. - You don't need to be genie to guess
that the "butcher" sharks living in same ocean between the hippocampus and
delphinus... - Poem? - Tolkning af J. M. "Jabotinsky Male
whore" COETZEE!.. He won Nobel prize, too... - ?!
**
- I didn't hear Damadaian before I visited Tel Aviv... - First
in Usrael you met with Damadian? - No!.. Not with him, but his enemies...
A rabbin showed this article to me, when who knew I am a doctor from US...
- Show it me, please!.. - Welcome!.. Read these lines, please; "He
believes that rejection of God's account of Creation as the foundation for our
society is basic to the spiritual, social and economic sickness of our times. We
are replaying 'the seven steps of human regression and social disintegration'
which the Apostle Paul described in Romans chapter 1 as happening subsequent to
the rejection of the true God as Creator." and he continues talking on the
sickness of capitalist society... - Who is he, a priest? - Not
a priest, he was Dr. Damadian.. - Oh, what!.. Give me this broshure
please.. Big surprise.. Is it the same person? - Same Dr. who dismissed by the
Nobel committees.. - What said Rabin in Tel Aviv?.. - We must be
awakened and dismiss such "goy-guys" everywhere... - ?!
**
- Why the Zionist lobbies invest for manipulative culture activities? - One
aspect of the centuries-old, and present-day, operations of the Zionists is the
undermining and ruining of the culture of other nations, the disintegration of
their distinctive national features and of their national unity. A related
aspect is their activities directed against the culture of all mankind, against
classical, harmonizing art of all kinds. Destruction, dissonance,
abstractionism, surrealism and other nastinesses are elevated into a principle.
This is then declared to be the last word in culture; those who do not accept it
are defamed as being retrogrades, as not understanding modern art, and so forth.
The consciousness and psychology of the masses are ruined. This applies both to
any particular nation, and to all mankind. The nature of the "cultural
activities" of the Zionists lies in depriving all the Gentile nations of their
particular national roots, as well of their roots in a general human sense. That
is the nature of the Zionists' so-called cosmopolitanism. The current decline of
culture and art in Russia is very directly related to the ruinous work of
Zionism, and is the direct work of Zionism's hands. In large matters as in
small, Zionists are everywhere taking control of the organs of administration of
culture, art, education and science, and are performing relevant work in a
manner suitable to Zionism. Specifically, the art of a nation, and the roots of
a nation's soul, are being perverted, vulgarized and coarsened. This is done
shamelessly and effectively. They take their activities to the stage where a
Russian, for example, (and unfortunately this is no rarity) will say: "I can't
stand Russian songs!" The point is that he has been and still is being served a
specially prepared surrogate. The songs which are passed off as the songs of a
nation frequently bear no relation to the true art of that nation. They are
either minor pieces of work, or imitations, or things which have been specially
corrupted and perverted. Moreover, man has for a long time been sustainedly torn
away from his national roots. He is to a large extent already denationalized and
will consequently better absorb that substitute for culture which is of benefit
to Zion because it works on people in the spirit which Zion desires.
**
- Nobel prize is the bigger process by all of such cultural weapons...
- A strong advocate of Zionism, Gerald Kaufmann, heads the panel of judges for
the Booker Prize. Other members of the panel are John Sutherland, Natasha
Walter, Shena Mckay and Boyd Tonking. There were several factors other than
literary excellence that influenced the selection for the prize wrote Paul
Bailey, a noted literary critic, recently. He cited the examples of Salman
Rushdie and Vikram Seth who, despite their lack of literary talent, were awarded
the prize earlier.
- Unfortunately... The year of 2003 prize was awarded to the South African
writer, J.M Coetzee. The Egyptian writer Ahdaf Soueif was the most deserving
among the final list of the writers. The judges considered her novel, 'The Map
of Love', a rare piece of literary excellence, according to Bailey. Yet she was
denied the prize. Analyzing the reasons for her disqualification, Prof.
Sutherland considers that her hostile sentiments toward the Zionist movement
could have prompted Kaufmann to adopt a unfavorable stand against her.
Kaufmann's past as a zealous Jewish activist underpins this suspicion. He was
born and brought up among Jewish zealots. After completing his education at
Leeds, he entered politics. He was elected a Labor MP in 1970. Prime Minister
Harold Wilson, noted for his Zionist tilt, included him among his confidants.
Spotting his talent combined with his
dedication to the Zionist movement, Wilson allowed Kaufmann to prepare his
speeches on special occasions. During the Six-Day War, Kaufmann carried secret
letters between the Prime Minister's office and Israel's ambassador Aharon
Remez. This act, in fact, amounted to espionage and treason against Britain.
Kaufmann's memoirs also shed light on the biased British stand toward Israel in
1967 war. Kaufmann criticized the neutral stand taken by Edward Heath's
Conservative government in the 1973 Middle East war. He also expressed his
displeasure over the government's ban on the sale of weapons to Israel,
considering it the aggressor. The then Conservative government also denied
American planes carrying weapons to Israel permission to land or refuel in
British airports. Kaufmann also accused Foreign Secretary Sir Alec Douglas Home
of anti-Semitism because of his bold stand in the General Assembly on this
issue. Later Kaufmann paid a visit to Israel in order to express his sympathy
and apology for the matter. Menahem Begin, the veteran terrorist leader, wanted
to meet Kaufmann in particular and express his personal gratitude to Kaufmann
for the services offered by him to Israel, Kaufmann's 'true motherland,' by
committing treason against Britain, his native country. On Kaufmann's becoming
the shadow foreign secretary for Labor in 1987, the Arabs expressed their deep
concern over the matter. He did not want to lose his post
because of the displeasure of the Arabs. Therefore Kaufmann began to appear as a
supporter of Palestinian self-determination. His attitude toward the Zionist
movement, however, did not undergo any change. He called Zionism a movement for
cultural liberation.
The fact that Salman Rushdie got the prize because of his venomous attack on
Islam and Ahdaf Soueif was denied it because of her Arab identity makes one
wonder whether a writer's attitude toward Islam and Arabs is the decisive factor
in winning the Booker Prize
**
- I understand, such kinky system gave prizes to its own doggies, nothing
else... - It's true!.. And then this Jewish provocator propagandist lapdog
"Jabotinsky Nut" COETZEE won (!!!) NOBEL prize 2003. - Well, it's not
only to the fake literature of an zion "gentle fascist" bastard; frankly it's an
extra prize to the South African mobilize assassination leagues who joined to
realize "well-planned cleansing" Olof PALME, too... - Like a kinky film
clip, a scenario on the Hypo-Culture Crisis of the zion infected Western shurk
intellectuality. - It realized at the least!.. This is the "schutzpach", Jewish
freakness...
**
- We have a surprize guest in tv studio... Welcome, Sir!.. Ronald Bailey..
Welcome.. What is you comment on this affair?
- Nobel Misfire?
- That is right!...
- Raymond Damadian gets snubbed
- Okay!.. What is the reason?
- Well; modern inventions usually have many parents. Thus Nobel Prizes in recent
years have generally been won by several discoverers at a time. For example, the
Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine was awarded earlier this week to Paul
Lauterbur and Peter Mansfield for discovering magnetic resonance imaging (MRI).

Today there are 22,000 MRI machines worldwide and some 60 million patients
annually benefit from this noninvasive diagnostic technique that can identify
tumors and the damage caused by heart attacks and strokes. Lauterbur and
Mansfield made absolutely crucial contributions to the development of practical
MRIs. Congratulations are certainly warranted, but there is a oddity about the
award.

Did the Nobel committee overlook the first inventor of MRI? I bring this
question up because I had thought that the idea that MRI could be used to image
living tissue was first conceived by American physician Raymond Damadian. I
formed this impression when, back in the mid-1980s I reviewed A Machine Called
Indomitable by New York Times reporter Sonny Kleinfield, which was the story of
how Damadian created the first MRI machine. A cursory Google search fairly
clearly identifies Damadian as the first inventor of MRI scanning. In fact,
Damadian's first MRI machine, Indomitable, is displayed at the National
Inventors Hall of Fame in Akron, Ohio, on loan from the Smithsonian's National
Museum of American History.

Damadian supporters are running a full page ad in today's Washington Post urging
people to contact the Nobel committee to "express their outrage" at excluding
Damadian. Why did the committee not cite Damadian's work when it awarded this
prize? I have no inside information, but I wonder if the committee was swayed by
the fact that Damadian, although a brilliant inventor, is apparently a creation
science nut. In ironic contrast, Lauterbur's current research is on the chemical
origins of life.
- Ronald Bailey is Reason's science correspondent. Thak you, Sir!.. And other
one of the guests, please!..
**
- The medial shurks try to show him as a dare... - Whom?
- Scientst!.. Physician launches public protest over medical Nobel, but there
are many columnists, for example Cordelia Edvardson, Anita Goldman, Per Ahlin
and many other little amatuer Jews, try to show Damadian as crazy... -
TradiZionally!.. The crowds need chirpy for earn much more by their owners...

**

- Is Damadian a believed person? - I think so.. He has been registrated
by the Church.. - Evangelian? - Unfortunately, no.. Ortodox...
- Ortodox Jew? - No!.. He is Armenian... - Three points as
minus from me!.. - ?! **
- It's all folks.. You listened to the secret discussion records.. But tv
redaction exposed scenes of this kinky play... - I watced al the
scenes.. But my dear friends, don't believe in them... - To whom we should
believe... - There is only one truth, not double...
- You mean, they don't know the true reason... - Nobody knows...
- But you are working there and you are not such ordinary "body"... - Heh..
heeeh!... Sven you smells foxy... - What is the true reason, Sir!... I
know all these persons, who discussed and we listened here in studio..
- I respect them, beause they are the exeperts.. They are the scientists.. But
it is not enough always to know the tuth... - Right.. I agree with
you.. .They are not the friends to King Carl Gustav nor Bonnier&Wallenberg
charlatans.. These all above are the respectful scientists, all together...
- Of course!..If I should be only one in the Nobel committe, absolutely I
couldn't choose anyone of them... Maybe we should choose all together of them,
scientists... But one of them had wrong... - Did the true scientis a
wrong? - Not directly.. How can I explain, we should choose the true
first one... - This one who accuse the Nobel committee? - Yes, he!.. We
searched by the lobbies and couldn't find a relation... - What kind of
relation? - This crazy Dalmatian... - Mr. Damadian, not from
Dalmatia... - Okay, Sir!.. Your guy never was been a member by the
lobbies, our lobbies.. He never supported our foundations, never joined our
activities.. And when we occupied Iraq, he didn't accept to spread our
propaganda material on his responsible areas, authorities, assistance groups..
He was so independent... - Is it wrong to be independent scientist? Is
it wrong to be honorable and reject to lick the ass of your zionist capitalt
boss? - No!.. It's not wrong but we can never pay one single point to
such rebels... Anyway we did wrong... - What is the committe's wrong,
Sir? - We thought that independent scientists are mostly alone and
accepts like a kind of dare in the society because of their exantric
attitudes... It's our only one wrong, we missed to create a hobby to this guy...
- Hobby? - Problem.. So he never could set whole page announcements
on the international newspapers worldwide...
- I am afraid of you, Sir!...
- You are second oine in this week, who says same thing... - Who was the
first one?... - My general of armee, when I was soldier there and we
occiped the southern Lubnania; he is the first; Ariel Sharon...
- ?!

**
- And a bite of imagination around the MRI, Magnetic Resonance Imaging... -
At last, we would like explain How does MRI scanning work? - Yes!.. We are
listen to you.... - Nuclear magnetic resonance is the fundamental
principle exploited by MRI scanners. The nucleus of an atom can behave like a
tiny magnet since its protons are electrically charged and spinning, and the
neutron also has a magnetic field. The only nuclei that lack magnetic fields are
those with even numbers of both protons and neutrons, because the particles pair
off and cancel out each others' field. The atomic nucleus spins on its axis.
When the body with its atoms is placed in the magnet of an MRI machine the axes
of spin in atomic nuclei line up with the direction of the magnetic field, which
has a lower energy than aligning against the field. Radiation of the right
frequency can be absorbed and cause the nuclei to switch from the lower energy
state to a higher one. A radio coil wrapped around the body injects radio waves
and the body's atomic nuclei 'answer back' with a radio signal. The radio waves
produce the signal by causing the nuclei to flip back and forth from their
orientation with the field to their orientation against it.
The hard part is to design a machine to 'read' the differing signals from
differing tissues in the body (which have different 'proton densities'-for
example more or less water content) and translate this into a clearly defined
image.
If you have ever had to have one of these scans, you would have been asked first
to make sure you had not metal objects on you. The magnetic pulse is so strong
that metal objects would literally fly across the room if close to the machine.
- After all these scientical finess Dr.Damadian caused enormous angry by the
fanatical religious authorities... - What is the connex with religion
and MRI? You said that Damadian is a believer, typical Orthodox Armenian, or?
- But he slams the Talmudic fanatics.. At first in 1994 Damadian published a
kind of declaration and accused the dogmatical fanatics...Read these broshures,
please!.. - I remember better now!.. "Scientist Slams Society's Spiritual
Sickness!".. This Damadian is.. - Yes, same person!.. - If
I could be member by the Nobel commissions, I would absolutely reject his name,
if he been candidated... - ?!
**
- What is the response of the "comment producer dolls" of Scandinavian zionist press?
- As usually, they continue to threat the Independent Scientists and solidarity movements...
- Have you any concrete example, to show the tv guests?
- Here, this is DN, Scandinavians most dominated "brain washing" machine..
- Let's watch and read it!..
JUDISKA PROPAGAND-PRESS exempelvis DN-SWEDISH (?) SLÅR MOT TILLBAKA och PROVOCERAR ATT STARTA MTATTACK, varnar att DAMADIAN SJÄLV RISKERAR ATT FÄLLAS:

DN-Jewish Newspaper/Bonniers files: Publicerad 21 oktober 2003

Uppfinnare kan bli stämd för protest

I en helsidesannons i gårdagens DN protesterade uppfinnaren Raymond Damadian mot att han inte fick något Nobelpris i medicin i år. Annonsen kommer inte att ge honom någon medalj. Däremot riskerar han att bli stämd av Nobelstiftelsen.

Uppfinnaren Raymond Damadian känner sig snuvad på Nobelpriset och protesterade i en annons i DN på måndagen. Nu riskerar han att bli stämd av Nobelstiftelsen.

Annonsen i måndagens DN.
Förstora bilden

Nobel 2003

Fredspriset
• Fredspristagare hyllas av landsmän

• "När jag slog på radion hörde jag mitt namn"

• Iransk advokat får Nobels fredspris

Fakta
• Nobelprisen

Kemipriset
• Två amerikaner delar kemipriset

Ekonomipriset
• Statistiska metoder från 80-talet tog priset

Fysikpriset
• Tre delar Nobelpriset i fysik

Medicinpriset
• Forskare bakom magnetkameran fick medicinpris

Litteraturpriset
• J M Coetzee fick årets litteraturpris

Externa länkar
• Nobelstiftelsen

• Svenska Akademien

• Nobelförsamlingen vid Karolinska Institutet

• Kungliga Vetenskapsakademien

• Sveriges Riksbank

- Nobelkomittén är kriminell! Den har raserat mitt rykte genom att förfalska historien, säger Raymond Damadian, uppfinnare och vd för företaget Fonar i den amerikanska delstaten New York.

Hans röst närmar sig falsett i telefon. Han har drivit en kampanj ända sedan Karolinska institutets Nobelförsamling utsåg årets medicinpristagare den 6 oktober i år. Redan samma vecka protesterade han i helsidesannonser i tidningarna Washington Post, New York Times och Los Angeles Times. I går var samma annons införd på bästa annonsplats i Dagens Nyheter, vilket kostar minst en kvarts miljon kronor. Raymond Damadian är med andra ord riktigt arg.

Hans ilska beror på att den amerikanske kemisten Paul Lauterbur och den brittiske fysikern Peter Mansfield får dela på årets medicinpris för vetenskapen bekom magnetkameran. Raymond Damadian får ingen del av äran - vilket är extra bittert med tanke på att reglerna tillåter att upp till tre forskare delar på medicinpriset.

Raymond Damadian radar upp sina egna insatser i gårdagens annons. Hans företag tillverkar magnetkameror av den sort som uppmärksammades med årets medicinpris.

År 1971 beskrev Damadian en metod för att mäta skillnaden mellan en cancertumör och frisk vävnad med så kallad kärnmagnetisk resonans. Året därpå sökte han patent på metoden.

Han kunde inte ta bilder av vävnader i den levande kroppen, bara göra mätningar i provrör. Men metoden väckte stor uppmärksamhet i den medicinska världen.

- Jag tycker att han borde ha fått en del av priset, säger Anders Hemmingsson, pensionerad radiologiprofessor vid Uppsala universitet, och en av magnetkamerans pionjärer i Sverige.

Kemister och fysiker med erfarenhet av kärnmagnetisk resonans var inte lika imponerade.

- Raymond Damadian ska absolut inte ha något pris. Mycket av det han gjorde var rent blaj, säger Peter Stilbs, professor i fysikalisk kemi vid Tekniska högskolan i Stockholm.

Samma uppfattning framkommer i boken "Abusing Cancer Science" från 1987 av biokemisten Donald Hollis. Hollis upptäckte att det var omöjligt att upprepa några av de mätningar som enligt Damadian skulle tala om hur farlig en viss tumör var.

- Det var bara medicinarna som köpte Damadians idéer rakt av, inte kemister och fysiker, säger Peter Stilbs.

Raymond Damadian fnyser bort kritiken. Han fnyser bort hela Nobelstiftelsen. I sina annonser har han satt dit en uppochnervänd bild av Nobelmedaljen med Alfred Nobels ansikte i relief.

- Det gjorde jag för att hela den här saken är uppochnervänd, säger Raymond Damadian.

Men så får man inte göra. Medaljen är varumärkesskyddad av Nobelstiftelsen.

- Jag bedömer att Nobelstiftelsen skulle vinna om det blev en rättegång om saken, säger Ulf Bernitz, juridikprofessor och varumärkesexpert vid Stockholms universitet.

Nobelstiftelsens vd Michael Sohlman vill inte avslöja något om sina eventuella planer på att stämma bråkmakaren. Däremot ger han ett glasklart besked om att Raymond Damadian inte kommer att få någon medalj i år, trots alla protester.

Raymond Damadian hoppas för sin del att han blir stämd.

- Då skulle stiftelsens smutsiga hantering få ännu mer uppmärksamhet, säger han.

....written Per Snaprud/staff (propagand-instrument-lapdog) by its owner Jew Bonnier-clan-press

**

- I understand many intellectuls struggle against the zkionist imperialism; for
example Ahmed Rami, Social Scientist... But Damadian is a doctor and not
politician who create danger against system... - Just a minute, Sir!..
Do yoiu show me one single line from Ahmed Rami books, that he would "demolish
White House" or such appeal? - No!.. Rami and other social scientists
mostly using the facts and phlisophical methodes, not "direct antiglobal
actions" or "Reclaim the Street" shows... - You see!.. But I show here an
elderly declaration that a simply evidence, Dr. Damadian aims demolish White
House... - Show me this broshure, I wish read it!.. "Dr Damadian says
that 'if America is to be rescued, she must be rescued from the pulpit—it is too
late for the White House'. He says that Americans need to realize that any
country 'runs off its spiritual batteries, not off its bank accounts, and when
those batteries are drained, its bank accounts will be empty.'
- Wow!..
- I thought...
- I understand...
- There are differencies.. Sytem need very good scientists that serving very
good, system don't need very good brains that judge the system.. Other things
are only simply details according to the rulers, your name is Mohammad
Al-DURRA, Hannes WESTBERG or Carlo GIULIANI in the street.. It's important where
your name been registrated... - Where!... - I can't talk anymore..
Tomorrow I must be in Synagogue!.. - Achtung!.. - ?!

***
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FAIR - Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting
http://www.fair.org/

F.A.R.C.-E.P.; Colombian Guerilla Organisation: http://www.farc-ep.org/

Finlandia-Helsinki Activists struggle against Zionist Imperialism:
http://members.surfeu.fi/ewk/eiiskuairakiin/

Foolish Figures of Muppet Show of Human Butcher Sharony Boss:
http://www.realchange.org/ Foto Coverage&Shame on
Humanity!
http://zog.to/3/photos/shot1.htm
http://zog.to/3/tour/tr-ind.htm
http://zog.to/3/photos/shot2.htm
http://zog.to/3/photos/shot7.htm
http://zog.to/3/photos/shot10.htm
http://zog.to/3/photos/shot14.htm
http://zog.to/3/photos/beita.htm
http://zog.to/3/photos/family.htm
http://zog.to/3/photos/shot50b.htm
http://zog.to/3/photos/home-dem.htm
http://zog.to/3/palestine/house-deo.htm
http://zog.to/3/tour/tour14.htm
http://zog.to/3/tour/qana24.htm
http://zog.to/3/tour/tour-04.htm
http://zog.to/3/tour/wash-rep3.htm
http://zog.to/3/tour/tour-01a.htm
http://zog.to/3/tour/AmarEmeera.htm
http://zog.to/3/tour/tour-02.htm
http://zog.to/3/tour/tour-05.htm
http://zog.to/3/tour/baby1.htm
http://zog.to/3/tour/tour-07.htm

Francia movimento d'Internationale fight Jewish Fascism:
http://site.voila.fr/PENN974/

Freedom and Justice:
http://www.freesaj.org.uk/

Freedom Journal of Mumia Abu-JAMAL: http://www.mumia.org/freedom.now/
Free Speech; Love to Informative World::
http://members.tripod.com/~ukulju/links_2.htm Free Speech
org.&tv; watch it, just now: http://www.freespeech.org/
http://www.freespeech.org/ramfiles/genocide.ram

Free Speech Rights and its enemy number one; ADL gang:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/ADL/index.html French-Palestinian
Solidarity Associations: http://www.palestine-france.com/

Genocide Survivors' Testimonies:
http://www.alnakba.org/testimony/testimony.htm

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography:
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm Germanian Journal's
English Redaction:
http://www.globalfire.tv/nj/english.htm

Germanian Kommunisten kämpfen gegen die zionistischen Faschisten:
http://www.kommunisten-online.de/inhalt.htm

Germanians advice the selfdefence against the Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.ostara.org/ Germar RUDOLF informs about the
jewish dominated falsification industry: http://www.vho.org/
Goetheburg city Initiative supports Palestine&Laponia against Zionist
Imperialism: http://www.stoppakriget.nu/ Greecia-Athens
Initiative against the judaized Imperialism:
http://users.otenet.gr/~ergatiki/main.htm

GreenLeft: http://www.greenleft.org.au/

Greenpeace knows that there is NATUR in the OCCUPIED TERRITORIES, too:
http://www.cpnpeecp.org/

Halmstad city Initiative supports Palestine&Laponia against Zionist Imperialism:
http://hem.passagen.se/fred.i.mellanostern/

Hank ROTH's news center:
http://pnews.org/

Genosse HÖJEBERG singt so schön noch immer:
http://www.sub.su.se/forint/antis15.htm Hiroshima&Nagasaki;
Fascist face of Zionist American massdestruction:
http://www.mctv.ne.jp/~bigapple/

Holand Initiative against Jewish Fascism:
http://www.wereldcrisis.nl/

Holocaust on Arabs&relatives:
http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine.html
Holocaust-Industries of the Zionist Imperialist profiteers:
http://globalfire.tv/nj/d2001/juden/idxjuden.htm Humanistas
Budapest against the judaized Imperialism:
http://www.humanista.hu/

Human appeal of Holand scientists:
http://www.omroep.nl/human/tv/muur/heelboek010/heelboek010.htm

Human Rights in the occupied Middle East:
http://www.derechos.org/human-rights/mena/iot.html

Human Rights Center of Filistinia:
http://www.PchrGaza.org/

IAP: http://www.iap.org/links.htm

ILPS, Int. League of People's Struggle:
http://www.geocities.com/ilps2000/whatsnew.htm

Independent Institute against the Jewish Fabrication Industry:
http://www.independent.org/index.html

Indian Liberation:
http://www.cpiml.org/liberation/year%202003/June2003/Foreign_Policy.htm
Indict Human Butcher: http://www.iap.org/massacres.htm
Indonesian PRD against the Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.xs4all.nl./~peace/pubeng/mov/mov.html

Industrial Lie Mechanism&Traditional Fabrication and Holocaust Bluff of Jude
Psycopats: http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/id44.htm

Indymedia - Belgium
http://belgium.indymedia.org/

Intifada Online:
http://www.IntifadaOnline.com/

Intifada Online forum:
http://www.soundofegypt.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=reply&f=5&t=000007

International A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism)
http://www.internationalanswer.org

International Action Center
http://www.iacenter.org/

International Communists: http://www.vcp.nu/vcpnieuws/links.htm
International Solidarity Movement: http://www.palsolidarity.org/
Investigation Committee on Ariel Sharon's crimes against humanity:
http://www.petitiononline.com/warcrime/petition.html IRA,
Ir(a)landia's Liberation Army:
http://www.sinnfein.ie/index.html

IRSM, Ir(a)landia's Socialist Workers: http://irsm.org/irsm.html
Iranian Marxists: http://www.trife.com/sevnska/art/22-7-1m.htm
Israel is losing, because the Lie-Imperium of the Jews has no future:
http://www.bushwatch.com/comment.htm

Italia forza struggle against the Jewish Fascism:
http://www.forisociali.org/
Italiano Comrados against the Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.italiapalestina.it/sito/index.html
Jail can't prevent the truth; 'cause TRUTH is stronger than jails:
http://www.altermedia.info/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=208&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Japonian peace activists struggle against Zionist Imperialism:
http://peaceact.jca.apc.org/ Japonian Communist Activists
against the Jewish Fascism: http://www.jca.apc.org/~altmedka/engl-ito.html

Jericho Movement: http://www.thejerichomovement.com/

Jesus Christus killed by the Fascist Jews:
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/jews_killed.htm
Jewish-Zionist plots were been exposed by the Australian Freedom Fighters:
http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Dissenters/dissenters.htm
Jihad for the liberation of Humanity:
http://www.e-jihad.net/ej/

Jim KOPP and other true Christians demasked the Zionist Barbarity:
http://www.christiangallery.com/ John BALL exposed the
Jewish lies around the JobZentrum-files:
http://www.air-photo.com/english/

John PILGER comments: http://www.johnpilger.com/
Joseph HARSCH comments: http://zog.to/3/harsch/hr-ind.htm
Journalists who always been censored:
http://www.gregpalast.com/

Karl MARX warns about the Talmudic Fascism; traditionally Jewish Barbarity:
http://www.theunjustmedia.com/karl_marx_on_the_jewish_question.htm
Karutzar; Bulgarians against the Zionist Genocides:
http://user.domaindlx.com/karutzar/

Korean progressive network: http://english.jinbo.net/

Korean news-Democratic People's Republic of Korea:
http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm E-post: eng-info@kcna.co.jp
Kristiansand-city Independent Initiative against Jewish Fascism:
http://www.uffp.org/

KurdInfo, Antisemite revolutionary community in Scandinava:
http://www.Kurdinfo.com/

Kurdistan Liberation/Guerilla forum:
http://guerilla.hypermart.net/discus/
E-post: Kurdistan_lib@hotmail.com

Kurdistan Recognizes the Armenian Genocide:
http://www.cilicia.com/armo10i_kurdistan.html More info on: Kurdistan
Exile Parliament and Conflicts between Kurdish People and Jewish Occupational
Mafia: : c/o: Haydar-Isik@t-online.de
http://www.kurdistan.org/Articles/olson2.html

Labor versus Capital in the heart of Jew World Order
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8425/index.htm

Laponian Anti-Zionist Marxists in solidarity like Comrade Lars TÖRNMAN:
http://mailman.t0.or.at/mailman/private/infopalestine/Lars_Törnman/AntiZionistRevolutionaryLaponians

Legitimate George WCmouth BuSHIT:
http://www.legitgov.org/front_Sweden_violent.html

Leonard PELTIER Defence Committee: http://www.freepeltier.org/

Law society: http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/ E-post:
info.services@lawsociety.org.uk

Leninist Current&Japonia: http://www.ngy1.1st.ne.jp/~ieg/index-e.html
0

Linköping city Initiative supports Palestine&Laponia against Zionist
Imperialism: http://www.valet.nu/fredsnatet/

Liberated people by the massacres of Zionist Occupational Imperialism
http://bushspeaks.com/home.asp?did=121&dir=b

Libertad:
http://www.libertad.de/

Lysekyl Initiative supports Palestine&Laponia against Zionist Imperialism:
http://w1.523.telia.com/%7Eu52306189/samlatpalestina.html

London Initiative struggle against Jewish Dominance:
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ Los Angeles Labor Bureau of
Communist Party: http://cpusa.org/article/archive/0/20
Los Angeles Working Class fight back the Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.answerla.org/

Madrid Solidarity against Jewish Fascism:
http://www.nodo50.org/csca/

Mafia BERLUSCONI-MUSSOLINI Bastard serves for second Godfafther Butcher SHARON:
http://www.gagarama.de/satire/berlusconi-europopopeo.htm

Malta-Vanetta's grafitti activists struggle against the Jewish dominance&Zionist
Imperialism:
http://www.movimentgraffitti.org/

Manipulation around terrorism is the contemporary face of Big Brother:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/wtc.htm Masonry Watch:
http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/bnaibrith.html

Massacres of the Zionist Occupational Gang, (Z.O.G.):
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/2367/massacre.html (pissed off by
Yahoo stafff; also, Yahoo=Yahoodi) E-post: MaSeeHi@bigfoot.com

Massacre Responsible Nucleo-armed Mafia Z.O.Gang:
http://216.230.204.167/islam/non-muslims/Israel/occupation.htm

Media lies: http://medialies.com/ Meister
ECKEHARDT (discrimined Jurist of Scandinavia) informs against judaized
Imperialism: http://www.den-svenske.com/michel_friedman.htm
Mexican delegation against Jewish occupation: http://www.palestina.com.mx/
Melbourna Activists struggle against Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.vicpeace.org/
Militarist Barbarity modenized instead of modernized civilization:
http://www.comdsd.org/links.htm
Militarized Mafia's systematical terrorism:
http://www.skrewdriver.org.uk/terror.html

Montreal-Canada Federation Info against Imperialism: http://www.fiiq.qc.ca/
Most wanted terrorists: http://abbc.com/bush/

My Lai Massacre 1968
http://www.pathfinder.com/photo/essay/mylai/mylaihp.htm
http://www.pathfinder.com/photo/essay/mylai/mylaicon.htm
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mylai/Myl_intro.html
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mylai/mylai.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/trenches/mylai.html
http://www.jurist.law.pitt.edu/trials3.htm
Media Watch org.: http://www.pmwatch.org/
http://64.226.129.19/pmw/index.asp

MERIP org.: http://www.MERIP..org/

Middle East Facts: http://www.mideastfacts.com/
Mideast Chamber org.: http://www.mideastchamber.com/
Miftah org.: http://www.miftah.org/Forum.cfm
http://www.miftah.org/guestbook/gbook.cfm M. S.'s Che page:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4212/che_guevara.html
http://www.lpage.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=chguevara
E-post: moud@hotmail.com,

MultiCruelity of Jewish Barbarity: http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/
Museum of Jewish Crimes against Humanity:
http://vanguardnewsnetwork.com/archives/newsArchives.asp?category=11

Music Activists (Sniper Records&Tor's Vrede) against the Zionist dominance on
Culture:
(downloading is easy and free!.. Try it just now, enjoy yourself!)
http://www.sniper-records.net/torsvrede/e_index.htm
http://pub.alxnet.com/guestbook?id=2495619
http://pub.alxnet.com/guestbook?id=2389626 NATO; a military
toy of the zionized Imperialism:
http://www.sramota.com/nato/

Natvan demasked the Zion fraud:
http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/

Neglected Stories of the dismissed writers&discriminated artists:
http://www.hermes-press.com/NN1.htm

Net Activist: http://www.dkp-ml.dk/netactivist/index2.htm

News from reality: http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html
News, suppressed: http://holywar.org/suppress.htm
New Yorkers against Jew York Terrorism:
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/ New Zealand Initiative
agaisnt the judaized Imperialism:
http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/

NileMedia:
http://www.nilemedia.com/
http://www.nilemedia.com/Home/contact.html

NoMoreBuSHIT:
http://www.nomorebushit.net/oralmajorityonline/index.htm

Norrköping city Initiative supports Palestine&Laponia against Zionist
Imperialism:
http://norrkopingmotkrig.webbsida.com/ Norway Defence
Humanbeing against Jewish Fascism:
http://www.palestina.no/nyweb/

Norway Solidarity Committees:
http://www.palestinakomiteen.no/hit.php?Go=alquds1

Occupation Cartoons: http://www.baha-cartoon.net/occu/occup.htm

Oli-fever costs your future:
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=5054&mode=nested&order=0

Opinions&Expressions banned by Zions? Send it us, we Free Speech Group expose it
and combat the Jewish Imperialism
http://www.ruf-ch.org/ http://www.ruf-ch.org/Leser.html
0
Organized crime-a bloody exposition:
http://w1.858.telia.com/~u85819409/altinfo/Bilder/ Oslo is
already ready to combat the Jewish Lobbies: http://www.ingenkrig.no/
Östersund city Initiative supports Palestine&Laponia against Zionist
Imperialism:
http://www.stoppakriget.webhop.net/
Palestine campaign:
www.Palestinecampaign.org/
E-post: info@palestinecampaign.org

Palestine Center: http://www.PalestineCenter.org/

Palestine chronicle: http://www.palestinechronicle.com/
Palestine Return Center: http://www.prc.org.uk/
Palestinian Initiative for the Promotion of Global Dialogue and Democracy
http://www.Miftah.org/

Palestinian Solidarity org. in Finlandia:
http://www.palestinegd.fi/links1.htm

Pancyprian for Human Rights-Int. Current News&Info Center:
http://members.spree.com/stelios/4index/full/missing.html
http://members.spree.com/stelios/main/main.htm
http://members.spree.com/stelios/hr06/derynia.htm E-post:
THEOCY@cytanet.com.cy, Passia Bulletin:
http://www.passia.org/index_bulletin.html
http://www.passia.org/guestbook.htm

Passion to own marks:
http://www.cactus48.com/passion.html Peace turned to Jheese:
http://www.gagarama.de/bush-praesident-specials/royals_s.htm
PetitionOnline
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/palpet/petition.html

Philippines Militants struggle against the Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.bayanorg.pilnet.com/

Planet, Palestinian Academicians org.: http://www.planet.edu/he.shtml

Plata Girón's Che composition:
http://che.playagiron.org/

PNA, Palestinian Government: http://www.pna.net/

Palestinian Restitution and Reparation (CPRR). Council&Petition for refugee
rights of return: http://rightofreturn.org/be-active/petition
Palestinian Diaspora and Refugee Center - Shaml:
http://www.shaml.org/ Palestine Remembered.
http://www.PalestineRemembered.com/

Palestine Times monthly:
http://www.ptimes.org/

Peace Movement Aotearo
http://www.apc.org.nz/pma/

PetitionOnline against War Crimes:
http://www.petitiononline.com/warcrime/

Petroleum giants suck the blood of Nigerian people:
http://w1.858.telia.com/~u85819409/altinfo/goil0004m.gif
Philosophie
http://www.philosophie.org

Police Brutality: http://www.october22.org/
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0011/14/peter.html

Polonia; Niet Okupacja!..
http://www.orient.art.pl/

Polonia&Palestyna:
http://viva.palestyna.pl/news/news.php?news=032003/170320032.php

Prag Activists against Zionist Imperialism: http://www.mujweb.cz/www/irak/
Prison of David Stern rounded human being:
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ta/2003/ta030731.gif PTB -
International: http://www.ptb.be/international/indexen.html

Puerto Rican independentista movement: http://www.redbetances.com/

Puerto Rican political prisoners: http://www.wco.com/~boricua/POWS/
Puerto Rico resistance movement:
http://www.viequeslibre.org/

Push Bush-push BLiar-push Bush-push BLiar!
http://www.gagarama.de/bush-praesident-specials/bush-blubt-blair.htm
Racism exposed:
http://w1.858.telia.com/~u85819409/altinfo/rasism.htm

Racist Nature of Zionism:
http://codoh.com/zionweb/ziondark/zionracdex.html

Protest net: http://www.protest.net/ Qana
Massacre: http://members.terra.net.lb/buddy/qana/massacre.html

Radio FS-Internetional; listen to the Free Speech Internet Radio:
http://www.fsrn.org/news/
Real player basic is enough to listen (or read) the Radio FS worldwide, now!..

Remains Ethnical Cleansing: http://www.allthatremains.com/index.html
Resistance diaries:
http://www.iacenter.org/palestinian_resist.htm
Revolutionaries from Scandinavia demand; "Stop the persecution process on the
revolutionary&antiimperialist demonstranters&Laponians!":
http://www.revolusjon.no/
http://home.online.no/~steinhol/internasj/english/english.html
http://www.boikottisrael.no/eindex.html

RSP, Irish Republican Socialist Movement:
http://irsm.org/irsm.html

Russian Granata against the Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.russgranata.com/ Relativity theorie on the
relations of blood and profites:
http://www.opensecrets.org/2000elect/index/AllCands.htm SANA,
Syrian Arab News Agency:
http://www.sana.org/english/En-Images/israeli_terrorism.htm
http://www.sana.org/english/En-Images/israeli_terrorism.htm
Santa Talmudian Pedophile Bastards exposed by Germanian Comrades:
http://www.gagarama.de/ Scandinavian CivilCourage Network
Initiative supports Palestine&Laponia against Zionist Imperialism:
http://ageramotkriget.olydiga.net/

Scandinavian Forum: http://www.palestinagrupperna.a.se/forum.htm
Scandinavian Students Initiative supports Palestine&Laponia against Zionist
Imperialism:
http://www.elevermotkrig.nu/

Scotland&Deir Yassin solidarity:
http://www.deiryassin.org/scotland.html

Scotland-Glasgow Activists still fu'king judaized Bastard Tory BLiar:
http://www.banthebomb.org/news/2002/Sep/15feb.shtml

See on the Sea&around the Sea how they suck people's red blood what USrael aims:
http://www.seeingred.com/#

Selected Sites of Vietnam Veterans:
http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/org/links.html Serbian Defence
against Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.compuserb.com/sdl/
http://serbiandefenseleague.com/ Set free Freedom Fighter
Abdullah OCALAN:
http://www.bolshevik.org/Leaflets/ocalan.html

Set free the Five Cubanos:
http://www.freethefive.org/

Set free Hussam KADER and all Palestinian prisoners:
http://www.hussamkhader.com/english/default.html Set free
Indian Poet Leonard PELTIERI:
http://www.eandgcomputers.com/peacepipe/media/leonardpeltier/index.htm
Set free Jonathan POLLARD:
http://www.jonathanpollard.org/

Set free Marwan BARGHOUTI:
http://www.freebarghouti.org/

Set free Nuclear Weapon Whistler Comrade Mordechai VANUNU:
http://www.vanunu.freeserve.co.uk/

Set free Mumia ABU-JAMAL:
http://www.millions4mumia.org/

Set free "Black Panther" Revolutionary HUEY:
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~UG01/barillari/pantherchap2.html

Set free Osmo VALLO's brothers and all other innocent Gypsies in Sweden=stop
such second USrael process in the EU:
http://www.socialpolitik.com/gamlanummer/arkiv1996/961/96108.html
http://www.connection.se/HyperNews/get/od/chock/16.html

Set free the Freedom Fighter Ulla Roder!
http://www.tmfife.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ulla/ullastory.shtml
Set free the Free Speech Fighter Ernst ZÜNDEL:
http://www.zundelsite.org/

Set Free Slobodan MILOSEVIC:
http://www.icdsm.org/

Shadow United Nations: http://home.wanadoo.nl/shadowun/

Silenced Voices' org.: http://www.dfn.org/

Socialist Worker:
http://www.labournet.org.uk/so/47boycottisrael.html

SolidarityCom.:
http://www.solidaritydesign.com/

Solidarity movement: http://www.palsolidarity.org/
Sombrero-homepage
http://welcome.to/sombrero

Stop the "Preventing of Work Rights" of Anti-Fascists, like the case of
antisemite revolutionary&antiimperialist demonstrant Stefan Dimiter TCHOLAKOV
and isolated Laponian Jouko JOKINEN:
http://www.uni-klu.ac.at/~gossimit/phorum/list.php?f=7
http://web.domaindlx.com/choli/Links1.asp
http://on.starblvd.net/meet/Entertainment/TV_Shows/dbzelite/

Stop-Fascism: http://www.stop-fascism.org/zionist_fascism.htm

Stop the "Registration process of opinion"=democratical masked cleansing on the
intellectuals who struggle against the Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.blaskan.nu/Blaskan/Nummer6/Artiklar/asiktsregistrering.html
http://www.tfrebell.se/nyb3-02-19dec.shtml
http://www.kommentar.org/sidor/2001/Div/Upprop_mot_reg.html
SAEPO (Säpo), Scandinavia's most corrupted, manipulated, Jew controlled
marionettes, security falsificators exposed by Anders SVENSSON:
http://www.zaramis.nu/net/us/artiklar/sapo.html
http://www.proletaren.se/Proletaren/Prolarkiv/Proletaren0306/Pro0306vi.html

Spania-Barcelona Activists against the judaized Imperialism:
http://www.noalaguerra.org/

Spania Antorcha Marxist Leninista against the Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.antorcha.org

Speak Truth, so you can be stronger against Barbarity:
http://www.speaktruthtopower.org/index_main.html
E-post: info@rfkmemorial.org "U.N.-Racism Conference 2001 and
U.S.-Model zionistical hypocrisy" E-post: info@umbragebooks.com

Sri Lanka against the Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.jvpnet.com/

STOP AID to the Fascist Z.O.Gangs !:
http://www.stopaidtoisrael.com/ Stop Torture (Warning:
Mo$$ad's new face Shin Beth Assassination Gang etc are available to read and
manipulate all the messages, specially on such Human Rights NGOs...Mo$$ad uses
cookies on Internet..) http://www.geocities.com/STOP_TORTURE/
E-post: pcati@netvision.net.il Sydney Initiative
against Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.cpa.org.au/campaign/anti-war.html Tahrir daily
news:
http://news.tahrir.net/cgi-bin/daily/daily.pl?article1=1817
Tari Research Institute.: http://www.tari.org/
http://www.guestbookdepot.com/cgi-bin/sign_book.cgi?book_id=94841 Webmaster;
Louay AL JONDI; e-post: laljondi@hotmail.com

Terror Alerts were the simple traditionally lies of the judaized Imperialism:
http://www.etherzone.com/2003/wats021703.shtml Terrorism is
the origin of USrael:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/irae-j21.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/isr2-j23.shtml

Testimonies of the survivors of Zionist Ritual Abuse; evidences on a
Scandinavian sect of neo-Zionist criminals who suspects of Incest; this Jewish
sect still recruits the criminal clan members from occupied Middle East:
http://www.hotboards.com/guestbooks/book.cgi?who=rahome

Toronto-Canada Activists against Jewish Fascism: http://www.tcaswi.org/
True Holocaust what HITLER never did, but the Jews:
http://www.aztlan.net/holocoust.htm Tupac Amaru's
Revolutionary Marxist Movement (MRTA).
http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/mrta/

Tv-Internetional; Anti-Imperialist news on the Free Speech tv Rami:
http://rami.tv/

Ukrainian People against the Jewish Disinformation:
http://www.ukar.org/defe.shtml U.N.-Embassies of
Palestine: http://www.palestine-un.org/

U.N./Palestine Observators:
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF?OpenDatabase

U.N./Relief to Palestine: http://www.un.org/unrwa/

U.S.-Appeal:
http://www.sustain-campaign.org/

Vancouver-Canada&Rafah-Palestine solidarity:
http://ender.indymedia.org/ism-vancouver/

Vietnam Veterans:
http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/index.html Violations of
International Law&ICJ authorities (!!!) didn't react:: http://this.is/jenin/
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/gallery/special_focus_jenin.htm
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/Feature/un__reveals_monumental_destruction.htm
The Waco Massacre:
http://serendipity.magnet.ch/waco.html WAFA News Bureau:
http://www.wafa.pna.net/EngText/IndexE.htm

War crimes: http://www.deoxy.org/wc/wc-index.htm
War profiteers: http://www.warprofiteers.com/
What Really Happened: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
Where is the Plane, Flight 77?!
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

Wilhelm TELL against the Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.ety.com/tell/intnlsection.htm

Women's centre: http://www.wclac.org/stories/jenin/Buried%20Alive.html
Women's Peace initiative:
http://www.womenspeacepalestine.org/incidentreports.htm
Workers' Party of Belgique, W.P.B.: http://www.wpb.be/icm.htm
Workers Party of Iralandia:
http://www.workers-party.org/wphome.htm E-post: info@workers-party.org
Workers' World
http://www.workers.org/

World Organization against Torture:
http://www.omct.org/ E-post: omct@omct.org
WSWS, World Socialist Web Site
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/isra-s01.shtml
http://users.cgiforme.com/socialistica/cfmboard.html

Yilmaz GÜNEY Forums:
http://www.yilmazguney.com/haberler/political_news.htm
http://www.yilmazguney.com/forums/_disc2/00000012.htm
http://www.yilmazguney.com/forums/_disc2/0000000d.htm
http://www.yilmazguney.com/Guest/mesaj_sayfasi.htm Zionist
Barbarity:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7891/index_zion1.html
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7891/feedback_form.html
http://www.MidEastFacts.com

Site&Brand New Infos about the Massacres and Collaboration acts& Z.O.Gang's
CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY (International rules, Palestinian Law and Punishment
source).
http://www.phrmg.org/english/Collaborators/Collaborators.htm

11 September 2001 caused by armed Mafia USrael:
http://www.davidduke.com/writings/howisraeliterror.shtml

That's all Folks!.. This is an alphabetical/selected portals list for all Good
People around Planet Earth who are anti-War, anti-Imperialist, anti-Racist.,
anti-Zionist and anti-Fascist; who want to Fight Back and build together a
Better World and this work is a tribute to Revolutionary Comrade Carlo GIULIANI

....and remember what Comrade Ernesto CHE GUEVARA says:
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of
mine!" Mirror links and main reason to create the mirror pages:
The amerojudaized Corporate Mafia Gangs and its lackeys in the Z.O.Gangs
definitely want to shut down the Anti-Fascist sites! Here are some mirror sites
if you can't get through to the one above and you find the useful
sources&informative supporters of all above sites: Amateur
plot on 9/11 and plenty of evidences that may hang George WCmouth Bush:
http://web11.superb.net/www.nodomain.com/ American Free
Press: http://www.americanfreepress.net/

BusssSH'T flash: http://www.ericblumrich.com/
Buying of the president:
http://www.bop2004.org/dtaweb/bop2004/ Documentazione
sull'infiltrazione dei nemici nella Chiesa:
http://www.marcel-lefebvre-tam.com/

Daily Catholic:
http://www.dailycatholic.org/
Fair: http://www.fair.org/international/iraq.html
Global search: http://globalresearch.ca/
IA Centre: http://www.iacenter.org/

Information Clearing House:
http://members.cox.net/informationclearinghouse/article1008.htm

Italiana-Al Jaziree:
http://www.aljazira.it/

Il "mazzo di carte" del regime di Bush:
http://it.geocities.com/comedonchisciotte/immagini/carte2.html

Israel Shamir criticizes military Mafia USrael:
http://www.israelshamir.net/

Jewish domination of the diamond business:
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/diamond/chap8.htm

Lega contro gli espianti di organi vitali a cuor battente:
http://www.antipredazione.org
Liberate America from Israel:
http://www.intellex.com/~rigs/index.htm

Liberty instead of Jewish Neo-Liberal Fascism:
http://www.sweetliberty.org/

Le jeu de cartes du régime Bush:
http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/jeudecartes.html

Mass Destruction of Iraq:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7891/index_iraq.html

Marx against Zionist Imperialism:
http://www.rcgfrfi.easynet.co.uk/marxism/articles/
http://www.rcgfrfi.easynet.co.uk/marxism/articles/f134-ime.htm
Messaggi subliminali:
http://digilander.iol.it/subliminale MideastFacts:
http://www.mideastfacts.com

NO WAR for military Mafia USrael!..:
http://www.nowarforisrael.com

Opium Lords:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/home.htm People's Investigation
of 9/11:
http://www.911pi.com
Politicalgraveyard
http://www.politicalgraveyard.com/ PR Watch:
http://www.prwatch.org/

Propaganda Matrix:
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/whitewash.html

Public action exposes WACO-Massacre: http://www.public-action.com

Piss off the militarized Fascist Mafia USrael!
http://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

Real Terrorism-Massacre portal:
http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/

Perpetual War Portfolio:
http://www.rationalenquirer.org/features/portfolio/

Racist Jewish High Priests of Globalisation:
http://www.bilderberg.org/

Reclaim the media:
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/flash.html/

Sinn Fein:
http://www.sinnfein.ie/

Stop us military aid to israel:
http://www.stop-us-military-aid-to-israel.net/

Third World research: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/index.html

Tv GlobalFire:
http://www.globalfire.tv/nj/03en/politics/crimesvsculture.htm

Tradizione e Comunità:
http://www.adsum.it

TransnaZionale:
http://www.transnationale.org/etn.htm

Ukrainian Archive exposes the judaized Imperialist Barbarity:
http://www.ukar.org/asper/asper01.html http://www.ukar.org/

U.S Financial Aid To Israel:
http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

USrael=Fascist State Terrorism:
http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org

Una Storia Segreta :
http://www.io.com/%7Esegreta/index.html

USS Liberty:
http://www.ussliberty.org

Israel is losing, because the Lie-Imperium of the Jews has no future:
http://www.bushwatch.com/comment.htm Journalists who always
been censored: http://www.gregpalast.com/
Neglected Stories of the dismissed writers&discriminated artists:
http://www.hermes-press.com/NN1.htm Terror Alerts were the
simply traditionally lies of the judaized Imperialism:
http://www.etherzone.com/2003/wats021703.shtml

World Socialist Organization exposes US is simply pet of Zionism:
http://www.wsws.org/sections/category/news/na-milit.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/isra-s01.shtml

World Messenger:
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/index.html

Don't forget this foto, imperialist barbarity///CHILDREN SHALL OVERCOME!..
http://zog.to/3/tour/MansourAbu.htm

Redaction Team Tv Independent Laponia Solidarity regards fr Piteaa city 94128 in the northern EU's occupied Palestine; colonized Laponia 10-21-2003 6:05

Want to invite all poets to join the online poetry workshop that is going on at http://pub58.ezboard.com/fperformancepoetryfrm1

IT'S FREE!!!

Billy Marshall Stoneking Singing the Snake 10-20-2003 22:40

LITTER -- the bookplate arrived today -- thanks!

TEEKAY -- didn't mean to have the last word, but there I was, fingers on the keyboard, and it seemed the natural thing to do...

howard 10-20-2003 21:15

HOWARD: Jolly good job on the workbook.
Didn't know you had the last word though. Must fix that :-D

Hubby and his brother both have herniated discs. The episodes come and go, but when they come they're doozies. They haven't had surgery or anything.
Wishing Dorie well.

RHODA: (((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))))))
Forget the rejection.
Would you give up that wonderful feeling of hope and anticipation when you send out that baby, just so rejection wouldn't hit quite as hard.
No Way.
And there is a universal law that goes something like : Persistance shall be rewarded.
So you just keep on sending it out.

What I'm Working On:
Groan. I'm almost too embarrassed to mention it.

I am at the moment flogging myself with this huge imaginary whip to get the 1st draft of my 'novel' from longhand onto the computer.
I've given myself until the last day of October to get it done otherwise I abandon it forever.

As much as I hate deadlines I've begun to realise (bit late in the day) that I really have to set myself some.

10 days to go. 4 chapters.
I would make a shocking secretary.

Going...

Teekay 10-20-2003 18:52

I guess it's appropriate that the religion topic in the WB has a ringing bell (I don't know if there's sound, just that the bell symbol rocks back and forth).

Place I worked for last year supported a Methodist nursing home company. They always reported their employee count as 666. They shoulda had a bell.

Mark 10-20-2003 17:15

Just read (again) the purported origin of a well-known phrase, and it prompted this groaner -- I love to write these...

In a large zoo in a northern state they had a rare female hairless monkey. They named her Lola, but that's not really relevant to this account.
Anyway, Lola, the hairless monkey, was eager to mimic human behavior, and would look through any magazines she could get her hands (paws?) on, and imitate the things she saw in the pictures.
One day someone left a Victoria's Secret catalog in her cage, and the pictures of fascinated her. Every time her keepers came in she would point to the pictures and then to herself, until they got the idea that she wanted a bra to wear. So they decided to buy her one, but they couldn't decide which one, so they got two of them.
When they arrived, she put them on. Both of them. And she wore them proudly from that day on. And that's all she wore.
But as winter approached, and the days began to get cold, she started to shiver in her cage (remember Lola was a hairless monkey) until one day she shivered so hard that her new clothes just fell completely off her, and she stood there still shivering.
And that prompted one of the zookeepers to remark : "Look - it's cold enough to freeze the bras off a bald monkey!"

howard 10-20-2003 10:47

Teekay:

I can actually hear you say that!

Debra 10-20-2003 10:16

Thanks for the thoughts, prayers, and encouragement for Dorie. I'll pass them along. She has an appointment this Wed. with the neurosurgeon.

I finally got the religion discussion copied over into the workbook. Although each post has my id on it, I entered the name of the original poster at the top of each entry. Feel free to post additions, continuations, etc., as usual. If you're not registered for the notebook it's very easy to do.

Thanks again, MARK, for the space and bandwidth!

howard 10-19-2003 23:03

Howard -- thoughts and prayers for Dorie.

Mark 10-19-2003 22:19

Thank-you Rhonda, having a lazy Sunday. Crossword taking priority. I am enjoying reading writers notes and getting to know everyone. Feels good to belong to the group again.

Jennifer 10-19-2003 13:37

Randall

HEY!

Jerry...my back surgery was very successful! The L5 level disc was "squashed" and a nerve pinched. A sturgeon, no, wait, hummmmm ... a surgeon in Abilene repaired the area after three months of trying to handle the disc otherwise. Steroid injections straight into the disc with a needle a foot long! At least!! Lots of fun there. So much pain I was forced to drink at least three Colorado Kool Aid beers as my wife drove me home after the injections!! "Honey, slow down, I almost spilled my beer!" A woman of little humor I believe she deliberately, with forethought and malice, drove over the roughest part of the road.

However, when steroids failed the doctor decided to cut. Annnnnnd since it was September by then, he put off the surgery for two weeks while he went Elk hunting in Colorado! My kind of a doctor!!! "Ah, Randall, double up on the pain pills, I'm going hunting! We'll put you under the knife when I get back in two weeks." Sure enough, two weeks later, as the nurses were wheeling me into surgery he walked alongside telling me of his hunt. I mean, ya gotta love the guy! Got a nice 6 x 6 ... BTW... long shot ... across an alpine meadow ... beautiful mountains in the background ... but I'm wandering. (GRIN)

My work involves heavy lifting, car and truck batteries, cases of anti-freeze, large cups of black coffee and donuts ... ah, no problem with that! This doctor was so good...he didn't leave a scar! No problem with my back surgery...

Outta here

Randall

Randall 10-19-2003 12:56

HOWARD,

I am praying for your wife that she will have a successful surgery and recovery.

JENNIFER,

Glad to have you here.

Rhoda 10-19-2003 10:15

Howard - I will keep your good wife in my prayers. As far as back surgery, I have undergone 3, each made things worse rather then better. Well that isn't exactly true, the second one made things a bit better since I was unable to walk when I went under the knife.

My last one was in '93 and I'm sure that the surgical procedure has improved since then, at least I sure hope so.

Back surgery is sort of like any other malady, those who have had it seem to seek out others with the same problem. I've talked with many who have had it and have never found one who said it was successful or at least not as successful as the doctor led them to believe (my surgeon assured me that I would be able to play football before my first surgery!) I have run into several folks who swore it was much better after fusion (something I've never had) but given a year or to after the surgery explain that relief lasted less then six months after surgery.

Well I guess I shouldn't say that, my cousin had back surgery four years ago and is doing well, so I guess it isn't always a failure. Maybe their learning more about how to do things. I've read of a new artificial disk that they have been using now for about a year with great success so maybe that will change the way things are done on backs.

I have always told people who ask me about back surgery not to even think about it till your laying on the floor unable to move from the pain, then if after a week in hospital you have a couple of different doctors tell you that surgery is the ONLY answer then maybe you should consider it.

As I said, my last surgery was in '93 and I've been on pain killers of one sort or another ever since. Right now I use the Duragisic patch, it contains the pain killer Fentenyl (SP?) as well as an anti-arthritis med called Bextra, and a nerve pain killer called Neurontin, and a muscle relaxant called Flexural. These drugs keep the pain down enough so I can lead a somewhat normal life, however I am limited on the time I can stand, or even sit in a straight chair, and walking is a chore, since some of the nerves that echo the location of my feet to my brain have been damaged (according to my Physical Therapist) and I must use a cane to maintain my balance.

Jerry 10-19-2003 0:08

Randall

Hey!

Real busy this week. We have moved into a new, remodled, NAPA store, which was really part of the old one to start with. Anywwwway a construction crew has been tearing down the old one this week. They brought in 2 rubber-tired Cat loaders and several dump trucks. It took one loader, I guess the other was a spare, 8 hours to demolish a 8,000 square foot building. Fifty years of dust and debris hauled away in 10 yard dump trucks. My boss, Larry, is a nervous wreck. The owner of the store is underfoot and with the dirt and dust swirling about the new store is getting dirty. I try to keep as much off him as possible. I told the other employees we need to give Larry solutions not problems!

I didn't even turn on the computer this week. Mark it down to lazy or just down in the dumps. Viv, e-mail me... startiki2002@yahoo.com or startiki@hotmail.com. I do not have your addy.... I will gather up more learning materials for your students. It's really not a problem. I'm OUT of the religion talk busisness. Never talk politics or religion with your friends, my mom once told me.

Welcome Jennifer...

Borrowed from: songlyrics.com

JENNIFER JUNIPER

Donovan

Jennifer Juniper lives upon the hill,
Jennifer Juniper, sitting very still.
Is she sleeping? I don't think so.
Is she breathing? Yes, very low.
Whatcha doing, Jennifer, my love?

Jennifer Juniper, rides a dappled mare,
Jennifer Juniper, lilacs in her hair.
Is she dreaming? Yes, I think so.
Is she pretty? Yes, ever so.
Whatcha doing, Jennifer, my love?

I'm thinking of what it would be like if she loved me.
You know just lately this happy song it came along
And I like to somehow try and tell you.
Jennifer Juniper, hair of golden flax.
Jennifer Juniper longs for what she lacks.

Do you like her? Yes, I do, Sir.
Would you love her? Yes, I would, Sir.
Whatcha doing Jennifer, my love?
Jennifer Juniper, Jennifer Juniper, Jennifer Juniper.

Jennifer Juniper vit sur la colline,
Jennifer Juniper assise très tranquille.
Dort-elle? Je ne crois pas.
Respire-t-elle ? Oui, mais tout bas.
Qu'est-ce que tu fais, Jenny mon amour?

Jennifer Juniper, Jennifer Juniper, Jennifer Juniper.

Night All!

Randall

Randall 10-19-2003 0:06

I got my manuscript sent back to me today. I knew I would probably get rejected again. I thought I was prepared, but I do not think there is anyway one can talk themselves into being completely philosophical about it.

Back to the drawing board. Now is the time to fix the problems and submit again.

HALLIE,

Sounds like an exciting novel. Lots of luck on it. I like inspirationals.

Rhoda 10-18-2003 21:26

This is a pretty cool site, for anyone who might be interested.

http://www.1000words.net/

Teekay 10-18-2003 20:08

BEN: I think MARK means that to say he was lynched to a post would be like saying he was rioted to a post. I think you are wishing to use lynch as in lynch mob, but are at the same time mixing it up with lynch - to tie or secure.
Just my 2 cents worth - I have been known to be wrong.

Teekay 10-18-2003 20:07

MARK: Although I can understand what you're saying, I can't quite agree with you one hundred percent--although I know I should. My wife says the same thing about my writing when I use a character's voice in the narrator's chair. But I believe some stories should be written in "Voice": that is, if the person is uneducated, or else young, and uneducated, they won't be "speaking the Queen's goode English", but will Bastardize it. I work with guys who do this regularly, and on a daily basis. If you want, I can email the first page to you, so that way you can get a better idea of what I'm trying to say--not that I know where the story's going yet... :-}

ben 10-18-2003 19:46

A Calming Answer:

I hear your cry, I hear your plea
and here I am to rescue thee
with words of advice for which you hanker:
Look not on the outer, but within for your anchor.

Turn from the noise and the rabble and din
and you'll find it there in the quietude within.
It's been there always, deep, but well lit
take time, look deep and you can't help but find it.

10-18-2003 18:43

A Desperate Plea

A cry from the heart
A tear from my eye
A scream wrenched from my throat
Because I want to die
I'm lost and alone
Tossed all about
With nothing to hold
Except my own doubt
I need somebody
Who will care for me
I can't do it alone
I'm adrift at sea.
Won't somebody help me,
Before I am gone?
Or before I disappear
Like a haunting song.
Like a moaning melody
Long, sweet,and slow
I move on with my life
Onward, alone I go
A desperate plea
For that special one
"Please come find me!
My heart is numb."
Dissappointment rankles me
Discontent am I
I'm tired of waiting
Alone my tears I cry
Though I'm tired of waiting
I will continue on
Waiting forever...forever
If it takes that long.
From a hurting heart
Comes a desperate plea
Please, come quickly
Come and find me.

Copyrighted 10-15-03 @10:00 pm Elaine

That's all I have for now. Now I have to go and defrost my frozen fingers.
Till Niagara Falls!

Elaine 10-18-2003 15:17

Hey y'all!
I actually have time for a longer post this time besides that tiny little paragraph a week ago. I saw a lot of newbies, and a lot of older members who I recognized. So welcome NEWBIES! I was going to read all of the posts but I kind of just skimmed through a lot of it. (I don't have that much time!WINK, WINK) I have nothing else to say except that I'm still looking for colleges. I wrote a couple more poems, I have one of my novels now organized, unbelievably. It's turning colder where we are and it's probably only going to get colder. At the end of the month, my highschool band and I are going to a state music convention, and we're performing! It's a real honor to be going and I can't wait! Our songs are awesome, all of them are grade 5 or 6, otherwise the highest levels of playing difficulty ever written. It's challengeing but I hope the rest of my section gets it together otherwise we're going to stink up the entire band. So frustrating! One more thing before I go, I wrote a poem that I wanted to share with you, but since this post is kind of long, i'll include it in my next post.
Till Niagara Falls!

Elaine 10-18-2003 15:10

Hallie, How exciting!! You are certainly an adventurer, I would love to read your work.

Jennifer 10-18-2003 12:13

Thanks Howard, You really have your hands full.. I had two back surgeries yrs. ago and both were unsuccessful. A small word of advice . the best surgeon you can get. It is unforunate that we must decide to under go treatment when pain is so great. You will do anything to rid yourself of such pain. I still have the pain, now with M.S. it can be unbearable.. I wish your wife a good treatment and speedy recovery.

Jennifer 10-18-2003 12:09

BEN -- the emotion of that first sentence would work, but your grammar won't. I don't believe one can get 'lynched to a lampost.' 'Lynch' is a, what?, intransitive verb? Takes no object. We can't lynch TO anything.

Daddy will have to get lynched and hung.

Mark 10-18-2003 6:42

Thanks Howard. I've got GOOGLE as my homepage. I was on it this morning. I found a lot of information that was kind of disturbing when you think about it...I try not to think about it too much. When I came up with that opening line the other day, I was at work. I got home and wrote it down and then read it out to my daughter. She just looked at me and said, this isn't gonna be a happily ever after kinda story, is it? I said, I don't know. Does it look like it?

Teekay: Funny thing about Pen. During the War--the big ww2--my parents lived in Holland, an occupied country. There was no food, and my mother came down with scurvy. She was in the hospital as the war ended, dying, when the doctors said they had this new drug they were testing. Her father said to give it a shot, and, needless to say, it worked.

Anyways, gotta go Google...

ben 10-18-2003 1:04

and BEN -- "political, prejudiced American Rah-Rah B.S." sounds like a requirement for inclusion in any story that begois with that sentence. You can find a lot of it on the internet, and you can "google" quite a bit of info on the SDS and other groups from that period. Check
http://eletters.wnn.ziffdavis.com/zd1/cts?d=75-75-1-1-68160-3178-1
for some great search tips for GOOGLE.
If that url doesn't work, the tinyurl is
http://tinyurl.com/rdoo

howard 10-17-2003 23:52

Hi JENNIFER! Welcome back! Also HALLEE and CAROL, and anyone else I missed.

I'm working on school projects mostly. I'm only taking two classes, but they're both writing emphasis classes, with mandatory journals and an essay or two. Perhaps even a poem or short story.

But even they are on the back burner for a while. Lots of work to do around the house before winter, and now I've got a tree to remove from my mother's front porch. We had some pretty stiff winds this week, and one gust snapped a 50 foot pine tree off about half way up, and it just grazed the side of her home, ripping through the rain gutter, and landing on the little pen she runs the dog in. Luckily Andy (the dog) was inside, and not in the pen.

Then on top of that, we just found out that Dorie has a herniated disk in her lower back. She's been experiencing tremendous pain for several weeks now, and they finally did an MRI (two, in fact) and found the problem. It's in the hands of the neurosurgeon now -- should hear in a week or so what he's got planned. Meanwhile she's been allergic to everything they've given her for pain, including the steroid they prescribed.
Life goes on...

Haven't got the 'religion' discussion bits sorted out yet. Should do so soon, I hope. Go ahead and use the forum in the workbook to continue, and I'll catch up as I can.

I did manage to get next year's garlic crop planted. Trying four new (to me) varieties, as well as a good planting of the one I've been using for years. I didn't count, but I'd estimate about 250 sets planted. I love the stuff! And we haven't seen a vampire around these parts in years! :-)

howard 10-17-2003 23:45

Ya'know, for a whole day there, I actually thought we'd have a World Series between Boston and Chicago.

Mark 10-17-2003 22:02

Hey Jerry:

Not bad really. I'm still getting checks, but not big ones for both of them. and I'm still hoping for an agent and a commercial contract.

Debra 10-17-2003 21:50

Jennifer:

Hello. :)

What I'm working on:
A novel that takes place in Afghanistan.
An inspirational love story.
A novel of international intrigue.
Editing already completed books.
Writing synopses (i.e. sucknopses) for the completed books so I can work on getting them submitted.

Right now, I'm mostly working on the first one -- just because it's flying from my fingertips. The other two can wait (and editing and sucknopses can always wait.)

Hallee 10-17-2003 16:50

Hey everyone.

Happy Friday!

(grin)

Hallee 10-17-2003 16:48

I'm working on a short story for Hitchcock. Wondering what the room members are working on? Sometimes I have problems editing. My son finds that the most interesting part of writing. Then again he teaches English, so maybe that follows, don't know, often I completely ruin my story while editing. Anyone else have this problem?

Jennifer 10-17-2003 13:27

Teekay,

I also have the allergic reaction to Pen. When I was in my teens it was given to me for a Kidney infection. My mum about lost it when she went out to work and came home to find me not better and covered in hives. Mine were major nasty. I even had swollen lips. It took months for my hives to be gone. The really nasty, raised stuff went away in about a week to ten days. After that the hives would become accented when I engaged in physical activity. My heart goes out to you girlie ((((( hugs)))))

Take care you.

Rachel

Rachel 10-17-2003 11:31

Teekay; Hope you are feeling better and the hives have all gone down. Allergies are not fun.

Carol: I like the idea of going off planet. It leaves more scope. Just finished 2nd to last lesson plan and power point project. Only one more to go. Then I get a week off from work and school. Guess what, I'll have time for Pommes and gardening. Ohhhhh I can't wait.

Howard: Thank you so much for the password. I got it and cannot wait for vacation.

Mary: Could you post a topic sometime along the 28th. I can't wait for vacation. It's coming! Ohhhh! It's been so long since I've written anything more than class assignments on lesson plans. There's so much MORE to write.
I'm going to have some FUN at last.

Viv 10-17-2003 10:17

In 1955, the Klan lynched my daddy to the lamp post in front of our house...now isn't that a good opening line for a story?

Unfortunately, I know nothing about lynchin', an' I've had to do a little researching on the subject. Does anyone know anything about "Students for a Democratic Society"? "Freedom Houses"? established by the "Student Non-Violent Co-ordinating Committee" for Blacks working to regain the vote? It's just some background info. It's not super important, but it might be, depending on what I can dig up. Now I know there's a diverse group of you out there, and I don't want any political, prejudiced American Rah-Rah B.S. I'm white, non political, and not the least bit prejudiced. Whites were lynched just as quickly as Blacks. I haven't decided if this opening line is a Black person, or a white person. It's ambiguous right now, kinda swingin' in the wind to use a really bad pun. I'm just cuious. Feel free to answer here on this page, or email me. I'm not looking to offend, so don't you be looking for it either, but controversy sells.

ben 10-17-2003 9:39

So Mary - what happened to shorty night? Hummmm?

Debra - How's the sweety books coming, haven't heard much about them as of yet.

Litter - my daughter has your book as of right now, but hasn't had time to Finnish it as of yet, she's working three jobs right now to get a bit of money ahead to fix her house up a bit more. You wouldn't believe the changes she's made to her little one thousand dollar house, it's becoming quite a nice place. Last month she pulled up the carpet that has covered the floor in her living room since 1967 (the folks who laid it used newspaper for padding????) and discovered a wide plank flooring much like I remember from my school days in the little white one room schoolhouses where I first learned my P's and Q's. She decided to leave the beauty of the wood in place and finished it off with a nice polyurathane floor finish.

Must get back to work loading the computer system. Since I got my 120 meg drive, my daughter talked me out of my old 80 gig drive so I've been building both hard drives at the same time. I had Windows XP Home on mine but old Bill Gates insured that I couldn't leave it on and it absolutely refused to load on the daughters machine. Had to fdisk and reformat the dang thing to put 98 on it. The daughter likes good old Windows 98, and to tell the truth, I sure miss that little OS but have decided to keep XP on this one as 98 didn't seem to like the HP system much for some reason.

But I ramble on and on and on.

Jerry My site 10-17-2003 0:29

Actually, I'm from South Dakota, they just send the tests off the Mpls. My doc called me this morning and said things came out well, she peeked at the test and said all was normal. I will be getting confirmation soon from the Mpls folks.

Teekay - Yep, saw that but haven't peeked at the great debate as of yet. Discussing religious beliefs is a good thing so long as it doesn't come to blows.

Jerry Ericsson 10-17-2003 0:18

What ho, chums?

First, some apologies. Many moons ago I promised a bookplate to those that wanted, and between my atrocious memory and accidentally deleting friendly mail (stored and incoming, $%*£&… ) during the SoBig attacks, I failed spectacularly. Howard's and Mary's are winging their way across the Atlantic as I type, but I have lost the names and addresses of everyone else – sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. So for those who still want, just email me and one shall be winging its way to you by return.

Sunday past was the recital of the liturgical works I co-wrote with a friend. It was amazing to hear my words being sung by a choir in a 17th Century mini-cathedral. Strange, but wonderful…

Joy, Joy, Happy, Happy,

Litter My AuthorsDen 10-16-2003 19:46

JENNIFER: Hi :-) I like the poem.

JERRY: The religious debate ain't over. It's just going to play at another house.
BWAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA HA HA HA

Okay, you get the idea.

HOWARD: How goes it with collecting all the bits and pieces?

And it's another sunshiny Springalingy day in the old back yard. Whoo hooo, Spring is sprung.

Going...

Teekay 10-16-2003 19:24

Thank-you for your reply, makes me feel welcome...Where are you from in Minn.? As far as religion I enjoy the works of C.S.Lewis. I hope you continue to feel better. By the way Jennifer and Jennifer H. are both the same, I just forgot how I signed in.. Thank-you again for the welcome...

Jennifer 10-16-2003 6:12

Hi Jennifer! Welcome home.

I think you must have left by the time I joined up back in, what was it, like 97 or sometime around that time.

Got back from my VA test, talk about frightening. The stuff they pushed in my vein made me feel like I was having a heart attack, guess that's what it was supposed to do, but the form they had me sign had stuff like "I understand that this test can make me have a heart attack, and that I could die as a result of the test."

But at any rate, it was only for a short time so it wasn't all that bad, the only pain is that I have to wait a couple of weeks for the results since they have to be sent to Minneapolis to be interpurted, then sent back, then my Doc sends me a letter with the results.

Sure glad it's over anyhow, we went down the day before, and spent the day touring the Black Hills by car. Had a wonderful time. Part of the tour involved shopping a bit in the Office Max store, found a 120 gig hard drive on sale for eighty bucks!! Had to have it, so now I'm installing all the crap I have on my machine on the new, fast ATA 100 7200 RPM hard drive. It's almost like having a new machine!

Enough of live in the wildreness, sure glad you all figured out the religious stuff, it was intresting to follow, and I think I learned a thing or two by the reading, and any day that one learns one thing is a productive day indeed.

WRITE ON!!

Jerry Ericsson 10-16-2003 0:36

What do you folks think? This came to me while I was bathing..of course.
Late Blooming
by
Jennifer Homme

Brusting colors, beauties buds of spring, natures pleasurable welcoming:
Warnth from the sun, bees busing,
baby birds testing dainty wings, while their mothers sing:
Perfect daybreaks for childrens growing, boats on rivers, while lovers rowing:
Soon the frost from autumn brings, angel's tears and winters chilling:
You've missed the sring, slept through the summering.
Awake the soul of seasons past, of lessons learned during your lingering: Cme out..Come out is time to show your true shining:

jennifer 10-15-2003 23:15

DEBRA: S'oright.
(For full effect to be said in small gruff gremlin like voice.)

Teekay 10-15-2003 19:10

How you have grown! I was a regular a long time ago, years. I'm writing again as I miss friends of like interest. May I rejoin the group? I need some objective opinions. You must forgive my mispelling at times or words that make no sense, M.S. has made my fingers slip and brain sometimes stall altogether. Aren't I lucky to have such a great excuse hahah
Jennifer

jennifer 10-15-2003 18:39

Teekay:

I ddidn't mean to make you upset. Here's what you should do. Ask your doctor if the reaction can get worse every time. If not, you're in the clear.

If.......

Then worry about the bracelet.

Debra 10-15-2003 10:37

**Taylor**

I was so glad to see civilised discussion on religion in here... I kept fighting the urge to join in.

Ty all for the advice awhile back... I am writing up a storm now

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DEBRA: Oh, I never thought about that. What a pain.
It just made me really sick.
I didn't have to go to hospital or anything, so I guess I'm only mildly allergic.

Teekay 10-15-2003 2:10

Teekay:

I'm so sorry to hear about your allergy to Pencillian.

Don't you have to wear something like a bracelet to let people know in case you become incapacitated by being hit by a large forign object, knocked out and then getting an infection at the site of the flesh wound?

Debra 10-14-2003 20:10

Hi All :)

Its amazing what the proper medication can do for a person. Not only do I have my old cheerful self back, but I managed to get some physical work done yesterday. The summer contractors used our old shed/garage for all their sawing needs and for storing the materials. Despite having large garbage cans and a trailer for debris, there was a ton of cleanup to be done. Two hours of steady work and its once again ready to house our antique truck (btw - anyone interested in a '72 chevy p/u?? hehehehe). With all the work, I do have some minor (compared to the past levels) pain but that's okay too -- it just means I can spoil myself writing and resting all day.

Viv - even though I haven't sent much on my novel lately, I have been working on it or thinking about it every day again. I've been finding a lot of material on the world development angles. I have decided to go "off" planet so to speak. The primary difference will lie in the area of the society throughout the planet with only a few exceptions.

Now - its off to work for me. Everyone have a great day!!

Carol 10-14-2003 13:28

VIV --
I just sent you an email with your new password

howard 10-13-2003 23:45

MARK,

It was a great idea to move the religion topic. However, I will not go unless AMANDA goes with me.

Rhoda 10-13-2003 22:40

I'll take only a smidgen of credit for the Religion topic in WB. I only set up some equipment. HOWARD had the idea, and he followed through with the actual topic space.

Mark 10-13-2003 21:28

HOWARD & MARK: Good one with the religion board at the workbook.
I think it's a great idea.

Have discovered I'm allergic to penicillin, am now on another antibiotic which happens to have thrush as a potential side effect.
Oh goody.
Too much information? Probably.
Am beginning to think the cure is worse than the ailment.

going...

Teekay 10-13-2003 21:07

Hi guys,

I wanted to thank all who helped and encouraged me with my Ode. I got my grade back on it. With the intro and the close, coupled with the Ode, I did get a high mark. The highest mark I've gained to date. That is pretty cool :o)

Ciao for now.

RDRKO

Rachel 10-13-2003 20:34

Howard: Yup! That's exactly what I'm missing...along with my memory! Thanks for clarifying. I'm going too fast to think.

Viv 10-13-2003 20:14

HOWARD: me know not furphy. Perhaps to know furphy is to take up brain space which could be used for better things. :-D

JERRY: My moral side is frowning and my creative side is laughing.

back soon...

Teekay 10-13-2003 19:17

Hi i am 13 years old and one day i would love to have my website with alot of writng stuff. or another website could give me a section. i think alot of young people would love it so

Shawneyce 10-13-2003 17:48

OK, the religion forum has been opened on the workbook (thanks Mark) and we can move there if you like.
Lemme know if anyone has problems seeing it or writing to it.

VIV -- did you mean your workbook password?

howard 10-13-2003 11:29

Randall,
Glad to hear you liked them. Yup, probably they did have something to do with the rain. The weather here has been screwy too. Nothing like a couple of uncontained dolls on National Sports Day. They are only supposed to be displayed on Dolls Day...after January. The Samuri is for Boys Day only...sometime in April. Can't keep the dates straight in my head, so pardon the mess.

May as well enjoy them!

I'm dismayed that the glass broke in one case and the panel slid in on the other. I hope you can get them fixed. I don't know quite what to do since each box is unique to the doll inside.

Hope your wife didn't mind the ugly Samurai! My husband went for it immediately and I said, "Get the wife a girl doll because that is the ugliest thing I've ever seen."

I suggest to your wife that she place the Samurai somewhere behind the girl doll and enjoy looking at her.

I consider myself thanked and really Randall, the thanks is mine. Sorry to have been so slow about getting those thanks off. Found the student's letters on my table the other day...then they disappeared again (Along with the Japanese Kennel Club Official documents for the Dog...again) I've had the dog a year and he remains unregistered. I have a feeling that if I ever move I'm not going to have him registered...ever.

The good news. I've submitted all three years of teaching materials plus final exams to our department this week! That garbage is done for the term and it may be the last time I ever have to do that. (They may fire me after they read those "research papers" on Texas. Most of them were about Armadillos and the rest about Lone Star Beer. One on the wonderful wildflowers of Texas and the final statement was, "I want to go to see the wildflowers in the Fall." Groan!

I am also two weeks from the end of this online course in writing curriculum. Only one paper more to finish and I'll be back with the writing group.

My final word...get rid of those boxes fast. The dog did his best to water them down. He's not trained yet and it's been almost a year. He misses the boxes now, but is still "doing" the hallway.

Jack: I need my password! AGAIN! I can't enter our writing site.

Everyone including Carol: I miss you and I'm glad to see you are all still there. Wacko's from Norway excluded.

Viv 10-13-2003 10:34

Not much time to write or anything, 'cause I'm making emergency repairs to my water system. Now looks like I need to replace the pump, and it's 180 feet down in the well. That's a lot of pipe to pull. So I'll rent a powered puller.

Anyway, just took a break and checked my email. The AWAD (A Word A Day) newsletter chooses words for the seek, based on different topics. This week it's words originating in Australia. Thought it might be interesting here-- the first word is "furphy." TEEKAY probably knows it right off, but I'd never heard it.
Anyway, to get AWAD -- which has origin, usage, and pronunciation -- follow use the following:
To subscribe or unsubscribe, send
a message to wsmith@wordsmith.org with "Subject:" line as "subscribe "
or "unsubscribe". Archives, FAQ, gift subscription form, bulletin board,
and more at http://wordsmith.org/awad/

-------------------------
And I've not dropped out of the discussion on religion -- I've talked with Mark, and he's okayed moving it to the workbook, in order to not use up Jack's bandwidth for a topic that is not of interest to everyone here. Look for a new topic there soon.

Comments?

howard 10-13-2003 10:14

Teekay - reminds me of a true case I had years ago. There was this fellow who loved his drink. He loved it so much that he had a good share nearly every day. He lived a couple miles south of town down a narrow twisting road, and on one of his trips home, he rolled his Lincoln. When I got to the scene, he was out of the car and sitting atop the old car near the rear wheels. In his hand - A half empty fifth of Southern Comfort Whiskey. His explanation - "there was this dog" he said "Ran right out in front of my car and when I swerved to miss it, I lost control and rolled the car." Then he went on - "Well the whole thing shook me up so much I just had to have a drink, so I broke the seal on this fifth and drank this much before you got here."

There was, of course no way I could prove him wrong, I knew that he was probably dead drunk when he lost control of the car, and the story of a dog was a bit lame since there were no farms nearby, but one can check for alcohol content of the blood, breath, or urine, and the test would have indeed shown him drunk, but with no other witnesses, I had no way to prove he was driving drunk. Best I could do was to take him to the local hospital where they set his broken arm, then give him a ride home, where his wife waited, drink in hand.

Moral of the story - if your going to drive drunk, make sure you have a bottle along so you can have a couple of drinks after you wreck the car and before the cop arrives.

Well the real moral should be, of course, don't drink and drive but who listens to real morals anymore.

Oh, the drunk driver died a few months later from cancer but that is another story for another night.

Jerry 10-13-2003 0:39

This seems appropriate:

A woman and a man are involved in a car accident; it's a bad one. Both of their cars are totally demolished but amazingly neither of them are hurt.
After they crawl out of their cars, the woman says, "So you're a man. That's interesting. I'm a woman. Wow, just look at our cars, there's nothing left, but we're unhurt. This must be a sign from God that we should meet and be friends and live together in peace for the rest of
our days".

Flattered, the man replied, "Oh yes, I agree with you completely!"
"This must be a sign from God!" The woman continued, "and look at this, here's another miracle. My car is completely demolished but this bottle of wine didn't break. Surely God wants us to drink this wine and celebrate our good fortune."Then she hands the bottle to the man. The man nods his head in agreement, opens it and drinks half the bottle and then hands it back to the woman. The woman takes the bottle and immediately puts the cap back on, and hands it back to the man. The man asks, "Aren't you having any?"
The woman replies, "No. I think I'll just wait for the police...."

MORAL OF THE STORY: Women are clever, evil bitches. Don't mess with
them.

Teekay. 10-12-2003 19:42

Hi All,

ALL: On further reading I will now say read Journey of souls at your own risk.
I know, sounds scary, but it's not, it's just that some at this point may learn stuff they feel uncomfortable with. - Not that it's bad, just that they may have a pre-conceived idea of what the afterlife like.
Of course I'm not speaking to the sceptics here.

RHODA: I am so glad you're Christian :-)

RANDALL: Well said.

ALL: Lets give thanks for those overlooked blessings today,
like painfree swallowing.

Going...

Teekay 10-12-2003 19:32

RANDALL,

You put forth many logical arguments. I have never doubted your intelligence and common sense. All I really wished to say was that faith in Jesus Christ involves believing in something that doesn't always make a lot of sense from natural, human perception. As JERRY said, it is just faith.

But life and human beings do not always move along in logical progression. As far as Christianity being a newcomer on the scene, I am afraid I would have to dispute that. In terms of a religion, it is only about 2000 years old, relatively young, but not so for the Jewish religion, and in a strict sense, Christianity is really a form of Judaism. Moses, who wrote the first books of the Old Testament, lived about 3500 years ago, and Abraham lived over 4000 years ago. That makes Judaism older than Buddhism. I can't say about Hinduism. And if you read carefully in Genesis, one could say that Judaism is even older than Abraham, because Noah was a believer.

And as far as people getting saved before Jesus was born, they were saved by the hope of the savior who was to come. Jesus died for the sins of those who came before him as well as the sins of those who would come after. The Jews slaughtered a perfect unblemished lamb as an atonement of sins. Jesus is referred to as the lamb of God whose blood was shed for the sins of the world. As far a people who have never heard of God, I have no idea what happens to them. All I know is that God is just and that he will give them every chance to do what is necessary for their salvation. All I know is that Christians have been told to proclaim the gospel. And that is what I have always tried to do. I cannot save anyone from hell, and I cannot make anyone repent, but I can spread and proclaim the gospel. It is up to God and to the person I tell it to what to do with it.

All I was saying in my other post is that if you have trouble believing the O.T., you might have some problems believing that Jesus was born of a virgin and was raised from the dead. Perhaps I am wrong, and that is no problem for you. But in all due respect, I think you have had a lot of poor religious counciling in your past. Your questions were not that difficult.

I am only carrying on a dialogue. That is all I am doing. I do not think I work under desperation. I just have a great admiration, awe, and regard for the Bible, and I will defend it every opportunity. I just think, RANDALL, that you sell it short, as do many people.

But God does not need me to defend him and anything that is his. He will do it himself just as he will honor his covenant to Abraham and will preserve the nation of Israel.

Oh dear. With all these posts I have just disqualified myself to ever be President of the United States or to be a Supreme Court Justice. Man, do I have dangerous ideas.

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Cheeky Maggot Theatre Link 10-12-2003 14:37

Hi all,

Yikes! I don't know that I can keep up with this.

Amanda,

Read about three lines of your post. What a waste of my time.

ALL who posted to me,

I don't know when I will have time to reply and it seems that this whole issue has been done to death. I wonder if I should just leave things. I imagine I will. I have a new wondering though... If anyone really wants me to respond to their post tell me and I will. I wouldn't want to devalue any of the things said here, well, aside from that weirdness with Amanda.

What about the economy of fear? Have any of you ever wondered if the government generates fear in order to bolster the economy? I mean when we are afraid we want to feel better. A lot of people eat to feel better, a lot of people buy things to feel better, some people go out to moveies or sports events. All of puts money into the economy. Seems to me that there is a lot to be said for keeping people afraid. Do you know that stats say the crime has declined steadily, but if you watch the media you would think it has gone up, up and up over the top. We've got a huge case of the "Big Bad World" thing going on. I think that fear also motivates people to church and the church organizes people and when you have people who embrace the values of God, you've got a population who is going to behave, even if they are afraid. Yup, seems to be that economics of fear feeding are pretty real. What do you guys think?

Now I need to get to cooking, got the fam over this evening for Thanksgiving. Kind of a weird time for we Vegetarian folk ;o) Yup, I've got a big dead bird hanging out in my kitchen. I've all ready chased the kiddies around with it. I'm about all out of Turkey play. I guess its time to think about reaching inside that flesh ball to extract the gut bag. Maybe I can get rid of it before somebody tries to put it in the gravey... EWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! Yup, nothing like a boiling pot of insides to make me want to eat up (grins and laughter).

Ciao for now.

RDRKO

Rachel 10-12-2003 13:53

Randall

Morning!

Rhoda...

My friend ... Do I detect a note of, oh, well, mild hysteria in your post of 10/11? (Grin) Never mind...I agree with most of your writing. As a young man I once asked a preacher what will happen to the people who lived before Jesus? Would they go to hell because they did not know of God? He thought for a minute and said, "They should have known better and lived their life according to God even without knowing of the teachings of Jesus." That is covering all your bases! That one could casually write off millions of people who had no knowledge of God and Jesus is amusing at best, distressing otherwise.

As a young man I once asked a preacher. "Where did God come from?" He replied. "From a prayer." "Who's prayer?" I asked? "You must have faith," he answered. I'm sorry, that old dog ain't gonna hunt. I'm too intelligent for that convoluted reasoning. I have faith in a lot of things but, most of all, God surely demands I, indeed we, seek out the truth. How else can I serve Him? Out of ignorance?

Rhoda, my thinking is geological along this line. (Faulty?) In that we cannot possibly appreciate or know what history conceals. We are limited by the relatively small time frame of this current age and the ego tainted belief that we are at the apex, the end result of thousands of years of a continuous, some feel, improving civilization. Whether this extends to a current religion is what we are searching for. Jesus is, for want of a better word, a newcomer in religious conviction. There were Gods worshiped thousands of years before Jesus ... historically self-evident and well documented. Were they all in error? Why didn't God step forward and put forth His plan 5,000 years ago? (Do citizens of Sumer sit in hell and think. "Damn, wish I had known better!") Or is this relative to the time frame aspect of religion? True all Gods may be the same, under different names. Should it be simply a matter of blind faith?

Not too long ago I came across an article that proclaimed there are two Gods in the bible. The Old Testament God and the God in the new. It does seem that the God of Abraham was a more hands on kinda God, albeit of little patience...while the God of Jesus seemed to deal in forgiveness rather than taking out whole cities, via ark and trumpet. But then the bible, the foundation of our religion, may not be all that accurate in the first place? Search on we go. Perhaps it all comes down to that old cover all word ... faith. I have faith in God and Jesus. Is that all we need?

That old enemy of Gods, time, always moves forward. Will the God we worship now be a historical footnote 5,000 years from now? Not much more than Zeus sitting on Mount Olympus wondering ... what happened? Will humans, granted if any are around, worship a deity unlike anything we can imagine? ZEUS ... RETURNS! After all, if history has proved anything, it is that Gods come and go. Ask the Greek Gods or Gods of Egypt and Sumer about the span as a deity. It is soul food for our ego that we worship the one, true God, while ancient civilizations worshiped trees and rocks. We know better, ego food. This short-sightness is heavy baggage we carry.

It becomes clearer if we believe that God evolves with humans. Matures with the flock? Maybe God has to go through learning processes as well? Handling the prayers of ancient Egyptian citizens might be a little different from 21'st century Americans. (I'll bet the internet has God scratching His head. Or shaking Gabriel's shoulder and handing him THE trumpet!) However, if one factors in Karma, then humans and Gods exist life by life in a finite search for perfection. Say what? (GRIN) Oh, but I do believe in God and Jesus. But like the teacher he was I expect Jesus would want I ask questions, seek the truth. And so I shall keep raising my hand in class.

Yes, the establishment of Israel has come...but not for long. No, no war or anything like that. But the simplest function of life...procreation will eventually determine who really owns this beach front property. In a short time, 50 years or so there will be more persons of Arab descent and the religion of Mohammed in Israel than Jews. The Jewish government will simply be voted out of office and persons diametrically opposed to them take control. What will happen then? Is there an allusion in the bible that covers general elections?

Jerry...I too wish Rush all the best. I am aware of what he is going through. My wife has fought chronic pain for years and a bottle if Hydrocodone is always at hand. Her doctor keeps her on a well-regulated prescription. She has attended three pain clinics and they didn't help.

Randall

Randall 10-12-2003 11:33

Goodbye

Stay away from the Bizaro world, where normal is the norm and nazis have been thrown from our midst.

Ok just kidding. Boy the wiredos have been visiting at great length.

Gotta say, I listened to Rush Friday when he announced his addiction to pain killers. I can see where one could become addicted to them following a failed back surgery (happened to me back in '93). It was only the fact that I have very caring doctors, and the very careful administration of some very strong pain medicine that keeps me from joining him in his dry out center.

I was happy to see that Rush did the right thing, in admitting his problem and seeking the long needed help in getting off the pain pills. I can only hope that he finds relief in the hospital, and finds some way to help his back pain. There are many new products that help without the use of narcotics, including electro stimulation and the pump. I can see where one could say, "why hasn't he tried those things?" but as you probably know doctors are hesitant to explore new (well not that new) means of pain management. I have to bring the ideas to my present doctor before he explores them and decides if they will indeed be of any good in my case, and I'm sure that Rush has had the same experience. Many doctors don't understand pain, and fail to refer those in pain to the necessary clinics where help is available.

At any rate, there's my thoughts on Rush.

As far as all the religion discussion floating about, the last word, or should I say the first word in any religion is FAITH, we all have our own beliefs, and I doubt that any two individuals have exactly the same belief in their god and their religion.

Jerry 10-12-2003 1:26

TEEKAY,

I hope you get the help you need and feel better soon.

I have no problem looking at your JOURNEY OF SOULS book. I will see if the local library has a copy. I could probably get it on interlibrary loan if necessary.

I applaud the female Iranian human rights lawyer winning a Nobel Peace Prize. That is the best award they have given in years. A person who risks jail and worse for defending the rights of women and children has my admiration.

AMANDA,

I do not pretend to have read all of your post. It was too long, and what little I read was really sick. I am probably wasting my time addressing a post to you, because I have a feeling that you are not really into dialogue. You have never introduced yourself. You have never put your posts into any reader-friendly form. If you had taken the time to read anything the rest of us had written, you would have known that none of us post in German.

If you ever come back and actually read something that someone else has written, then tell us what you personally know of Zionists or anything else.

I only have addressed this issue, because I remember some previous chat rooms years ago when Muslim fundamentalists would invade dropping off their copy/pasted words of hate and would not even bother to answer questions or to elaborate on anything. Are all you just a bunch or arrogant, mindless drones?

Surprise me, AMANDA, if you dare. Next time you cruise by, say something that would indicate that behind all that dribble you are a human being.

Rhoda 10-11-2003 21:24

Sorry about that, TEEKAY. Actually that part of the post was generic. I was not really addressing you directly, though I could see that it might appear so.

Where are all these strange posts coming from? First the Nazi, anti-Semetic stuff and then the diamond seller.

Rhoda 10-11-2003 19:00

Hi All,

HOWARD: It's gotten worse. Now I practically need a general anaesthetic in order to swallow. Am definitely dragging myself to the Dr.'s today.

# on my phone means hash.

Probably not what you're looking for though.

Has the new arrival arrived?

RANDALL: I have one of those brother in laws too.

RHODA: You wrote: The first step to coming to God is realizing your need of him. Admit you don't have all the answers. Then you have to be willing to accept him just as he reveals himself to you, acknowledging him as your creator and the one who knows the hearts and minds of every human being who ever lived.

Was this directed particularly to me or was the use of the word 'you' a generalised version?

If it was directed at me I can only assume that you have not read my posts in their entirety.

And God's existence was never the issue.

Honestly, if you can get your hands on 'Journey of souls' read it.
I don't want to harp on about it too much, but it is one of those books that can change your life. And reading it won't harm your relationship with Christ - it will enhance it.

P.S. From incoming information I discard the idea that all souls are created perfect.

That explains a lot.
like my Brother in law for instance :-D

Going......
to the Doctor to get some dru-u-u-u-gs!!!

Teekay 10-11-2003 18:36

RHODA: I looked at what you said about thinners, and solvents, and what-not, and I had to dismiss the cleaning the windows one :-} He's not the one being blinded anyway. But the problem is, the story's gotten out of hand--it's finished, but I want to trim it down a couple of thousand words...or maybe more. I do want to use the ammonia. I think it can be used as a thinner if that's the desired effect the artist is looking for...

ben 10-11-2003 15:56

Ibrahim - yes, we all have zips up the back of our heads.

10-11-2003 14:05

am writing to a deal of bilateral interest and mutual benefit. I am
Ibrahim Ciroma an agent and consultant of the local farmers in west africa
Where large quantities of GOLD and DIAMOND are available.The price are
Cheaper than the price in international marketing. I obtained your contact
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Do not hesitate to contact me through the above phone or e-mail to
Indicate your interest or if not interested in this proposal, please do
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a prospective buyer, you shall retain 5% commission of the sales.

Commodities available are as follows:
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carats.
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Purity : 98% (22 carats)
Price : USD $ 6,000.00 / Kg
Certificates to be issued with trench delivery:
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All the above documents / certificates are to be sent to the buyer.

SYSTEM OF TRADING
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Ibrahim Ciroma 10-11-2003 12:34

Randall

Amanda...you're an idiot. Jack...do your thing. Rhoda I will post my reply laster on. Bozo has just proved that all the squirrels aren't in the trees.

R

Randall 10-11-2003 12:04

NOBEL CHARLATANRY=SCIENTICAL MASKED MULTI-FUNCZIONAL PROSTITUTION of JUDAIZED IMPERIALISM..(This Saga begins with the English language version)

- Wow!.. I didn't understand, Sir!..
- This is a saga, not a bonbon, therefore it's not so easy to understand just at first suck!... The Saga on the Satellite Kingdoms' stinky culture//Ridiculous and contemptible attitudes of the Nobel shurks&Corrupted Bastards of lobbies&Mammeles of degradation&freak doggies of the Zionist Imperialist ignominy.
- I am beginning to understand...
- You see!.. Call the matters only with their true names, simply!.. - ?!

**
- An advocate, false muslim Mammele Shirin EBADI won peace prize and a writer
false Humanist J. COETZEE on literature... - Also, you mean, the
Scandinavian Nobel commitees prized a jurist and a writer?.. - Yes!.. But what
is strange, Sir? - Well, I know a true Humanist Jurist and Writer, since
15 years he lives in Scandinavia, works for Human Rights but never get a job,
nor been accepted to an official project, interviews... This true lawyer, Human
Rights fighter systematical discriminated and still under heavy oppression...
- Incredible!.. What did he? - Nothing!.. Before 15 year he wrote a
little poem, there he criticized the anti-humanist issues and perhaps meaned to
protest the occupation on the occupied Middle East.. - Perhaps? -
Perhaps, means "definitely" according to the talmudic fanatism... And I searched
his poems, foun only on one single line expressed that "my heart is my gift to
the children of Palestine/use it my little heroes, throw it at least like a
stone"... - And than? - Well, he just been registrated by the
Zionist lobbies of Sweden... Theses ridiculous lobbies already manipulating the
authorities against this braveheart human... The chiefs of suh lobbies have
main assertion that when an academician criticizes the anti-Humanist attitudes
it means such perspective is potentially danger against the Zionist
Imperialism... - What!.. Millions of human and whole civilization are the
danger against barbarity.. Is it wrong? - We can not discuss so open
if that wrong or not.. But therefore can other kind of types never nominees to
such prizes... - ?! - You looks like chocked, Sir!..
- You'll be more chocked when I say what I think now!.. - Say!..
- Ia m fuc'king such Nobel committee bastards!.. I am fuc'king your Mammele
Peace Ebadi and Jabotinsky male whore CuteZee, at least you, too!.. - ?!
**
- What are you thinking on JM COETZEE? -He is very clever falsificator,
uses humanitarian masks but he is a lapdog of the world domination of Zionst
Imperialism&Talmudian fascism... Coetzee is wporking nowadays at Chicago
university for "Bran Washing" process. - But the officially resources
describe an other figure as Coetzee... We have a short documentary clip, on
such cases..... - Let's watch your example!.. - Endangered
Species: Jews and Buffaloes, Victims of Nazi Pseudo-science... By Frank Fox:
The author visited the Warsaw zoo in the late 1980s to trace the story of Jews
saved in animal cages and in 1999 went to Bialowieza, where the last of the
noble zubr (buffalo) can be seen. Few creatures are more helpless in time of war
than zoo animals and their plight is generally ignored when, understandably, the
human casualties are of greater concern. While we do not have to agree with the
anthropomorphic view expressed by J. M. Coetzee in his The Lives of Animals,
which conflates the sufferings of animals with the horrors of concentration
camps, we should not fail to see how cruelties inflicted by humans on animals
diminish all life. - I don't know the Warszaw Zoo animals thinking like
COETZEE but I witnessed the Coalition troops in Baghdad zoo, they shot the
animals, unique tiger art and other magnífique animals... This is a living
history and a chance to compare with Jrewish propaganda illusion arts and the
true Holocaust... - Nobel committee prized a liar? - Again!..
It looks like the Imre Kertész case.. - I don't think so.. This case is
little different and performed freakness. Scandinavian Zionist lobbies paying
thanksgiving to South African lobby, too... - Thanksgiving between
gangsters? - Definitely.. Remember, please, South African leagues
agitated to the "cleansing operations".. - Example?.. -
These shurks coopertared to cleanse Olof PALME, if you wish hear very clear
example... - Incredible!.. PALME murdered in 1986 but this South African Zionist
get prize new, in 2003. - Professional business.. They are not so
idiotics who will run to mouse-trap.. Today the children get homework,
obligatory to buy Coetze and Imre Kertesz's propaganda book who were in the
mothers' stomach.. Such "brain washing" lambs can not know what PALME said but
exactly repeate what the Nobel prized shurks say... - After all these
years... We have not su much to do... - Perhaps only one word;
"Incredible"... - Incredible foolish.. - Foolish!..
Traditionally Talmudian imperialism absorbed the culture wealthy of all the
close sattellites.. Sweden won this word as a label on such cultur...

**
- What does NOBEL-prize scandal mean? Does the "Intellectual Scientical
Morality" decide take legal proceedingt against thus enormous fraud and such
manipulative foundations?
- Well, in fact NOBEL PRIZE COMMITTEE shurks connected with the ZIONISM (JEWISH
FASCISM)&any kind of halfoffical fraud LOBBIES, possessed Swedish institutions,
like a legalized coup in the European Union...
- But you are talking on the measures... I have no idea!...
- What is the intellectual responsibilty in this case?
- Maybe to try a Laponian perspective, a kind of essay on the Svekish Model
Culture-...
- Do it, Sir!

**

- Let's get started! Watch please all these video tapes, so you'll understand
that there is no culture in Svekja Kingdom!...
- I watched the first 40 episodes in the EMI studios and I agree with you!..
Although we in SvekJa don't dub our films or series as they do in Germany,
France or Italy (just for an example), we do subtitle them. So, this is the
version that is being subtitled. Animaniacs is called Anima-Dårpippi in SvekJa
Kingdom, which could be translated "Animated Lunatics". The translation is made
by Svek-state Television (SVT) which is the Public Broadcasting Network in
SvekJa Kingdom.
- Here is Svekish Culture; I know; Swedo Animaniacs is a symbol of halfofficial
culture propagand theme;
Swedo Amimaniacs
nu kommer Animaniacs/
vi är knäppiga till max /
skratta på er får ni strax/
sitt ner, för det är dags /
för Animaniacs /
vi är två Warner-bröder och en Warner-syster, Dot/
Filmstaden vi rusar runt och hittar jämt på nåt /
de låser gärna in oss /
när vi i fällan gått /
men varje bur vi tar oss ur/
det har ni nog förstått/
se Animaniacs /
se här Dot och Yakko strax/
Wakko äter gravad lax /
när motherfucker Jew Bill Clinton spelar sax/
till Animaniacs/
här är två andra polare som jämt vill sticka opp /
och duvorna får akta sig, nu får de en sittopp /
jakten går på Mindy /
och Rita drar en vals/
författarna har kollat /
varför ska vi repa alls?/
se Animaniacs /
ni kan nå oss med ett fax/
vi är knäppiga till max /
knäppigast i vår galax /
vi är så balla /
ja, det tycker alla/
ni får oss kalla /
Animaniacs /
nu är det dags!

- What does it mean?
- It shows, what kind of culture these "decompsed systems" pumping to the new
generations...
- Interpretation, please!
- Welcome, Sir! English translation from Svekish language, here;
Svekian Amimaniacs it's time for Animaniacs
/
we are zany to the max /
you'll be laughing in a while/
sit down, for now it's time /
for Animaniacs/
we are two Warner brothers and a Warner sister, Dot/
around the movie town we run around and we always hit upon something/
they gladly lock us in /
whenever we get trapped/
but from every cage, we get out/
I'm sure you figured that out/
watch Animaniacs /
look, here's Dot and Yakko at once/
Wakko eats gravlax /
when motherfucker Jew Bill Clinton plays the sax/
to Animaniacs/
here are two other buddies who always want to stick up/
and the pigeons have to watch out, now they'll get whacked/
the chase goes on Mindy /
and Rita makes a waltz /
the writers have kicked the bucket/
why should we rehearse at all? /
watch Animaniacs /
you can reach us with a fax/
we're zany to the max /
the zaniest in the galaxy/
we are so nifty/
yes, everybody thinks so/
you may call us/
Animaniacs (*) !/
now it's the time!

(*) Some words have been slighty altered, like the one for "zany" which is
"knäppiga". This adjective is inflected incorrecly, just to make it sound weird.
This is the poem in today's SvekJa Kingdom... Estimate why Nobel prize goes
mostly to the untalented Jews...
- You mean such ridiculous culture attitude, such awards as product
of process!.. But culture is not only literature...
- Of course!.. Therefore I have any living records from overclass who live a
modernized violence as culture life... For instance Pedophilia is a part of this
culture...
- We want to watch all these living cassettes and listen to the other records...
But who will translate all these evidences? Do you translate these records, too?
We don't know Svekish languae!
- Okay!.. Let's go!... Start!.. Listen to the dialog and answer my questions...
- Well, we listened a programme..."Western finance captal culture been built on
violences"... Original label was "Väster(finanskapital marknad)s kultur bygs på
våld(täckta); FM broadcast on June 30, 2000 - I rememeber...
- Me too, Nicolas Poussin var som berättat om vålds kultur och den traditionella
kulturens samröreprofiter...
- Explain shortly, please; I understand your language!
- Det talas först om våldbilder... Våldtäkten på sabinskorna, Metropolitan
Museum of Art, Jew York. Den första målningen som skildrar en gruppvåldtäkt.
Mats Deland om den härskande klassens makt och den äkta mannens Den här bilden
skildrar en av världshistoriens mest berömda gruppvåldtäkter, med motiv ur
mytologin om staden Roms grundläggning. När de första romarna inte kunde finna
fruar på vanligt sätt överföll de grannfolket sabinerna. De sabinska kvinnorna
tvingades bära romarnas barn och kallas ännu Roms urmödrar. Myten lever och
apostroferas i italiensk giftermålsetikett. En staty med samma namn, Våldtäkten
på sabinskorna, restes på 1580-talet på Piazza della Signoria i Florens,
Poussins tavla målades femtio år senare. I mitten av målningen strosar en
romare lugnt bort från händelsernas larm, vänligt samtalande med den sabinska
han överfallit. Att kvinnan efter en första
upprördhet skulle komma att finna sig i sitt öde är en viktig del av den
föreställningsvärld som ännu bestämmer synen på våldtäkter. Motivet saknar alla
uttryckliga tecken på samlag. Det latinska begreppet för våldtäkt, raptus, hade
ingen omedelbar sexuell laddning; det handlade snarare om stöld av ett slags
egendom. På bilden bärs kvinnorna iväg som vilket byte som helst. Att vi i
förgrunden ser en far, inte en make eller bror som förtvivlat försöker betvinga
en romersk angripare, markerar också den patriarkala kontrollen. Poussins
minutiöst avvägda komposition är ett exempel på vad som brukar kallas heroiska
våldtäktsskildringar. De finns i den västerländska kulturens absoluta centrum:
antika och bibliska motiv, skildrade under en av västerlandets kulturella
höjdpunkter, renässansen och dess fortsättning i klassicism och barock. Även
sentida konsthistoriker har intagit en märkligt förstående attityd. Motivet ovan
kallas vanligen Sabinskornas bortförande, och ord som förförelse, amorösa
utfall, förföljande, extas och till och med kärlek har också använts. Men den
amerikanska konstprofessorn Diane Wolfthal, vars läsning jag återger ovan, visar
i sin bok Images of Rape, The "heroic" tradition and its alternatives (Cambridge
UP 1999) att dessa förskönande våldtäktsskildringar långtifrån var oemotsagda.
Konstverk av det här slaget gjordes naturligtvis av män för män, och åtminstone
från början av 1500-talet var ett av syftena att stimulera erotiskt. De gömdes
som porr i den rikaste adelns privatsamlingar. Men framför allt handlade det om
makt: den härskande klassens och den äkta mannens. Det var hjältens privilegium
att våldföra sig på fiendens kvinnor, och mannens att betrakta kvinnan som sin
(inte hennes släkts) egendom. Detta sätt att framställa övergrepp stod i bjärt
kontrast till den tidigare epokens bilder. De medeltida skildringarna saknar de
erotiserande detaljerna. Däremot visades ibland samlaget, men då kopplat till
symboliska uttryck både för det våld som var förutsättningen för, och följderna
av, övergreppet: offrets förtvivlan och fysiska eller psykiska utplåning. Ofta
finns i dessa bilder – oftast bildserier – även skildringar av hur förövaren
straffas för sitt dåd och till och med samhällskritik. Ibland är det prästfolk
som våldtar, vilket var ett omdiskuterat problem under högmedeltiden. Denna
tradition fick en mindre känd fortsättning under renässansen och framöver, i de
folkliga träsnitt som visade följderna för vanligt folk av 1500- och 1600-talens
krig med värvade massarméer. Här är utförandet enkelt, i svart och vitt, och det
finns inget i bilderna som rättfärdigar de plundrande hjältarnas dåd.
Kvinnokroppar visas aldrig helt avklädda, deras klädsel är
oordnad enbart för att markera utsattheten. Den medeltida traditionen var
ambivalent när det gällde rätten att våldta tjejer i fiendeland, men byggde ändå
anmärkningsvärt ofta på ett tydligt ställningstagande för det kvinnliga offret.
Bilder i kyrkliga källskrifter och lagsamlingar bekräftar det. Boken om
kvinnornas stad, av den medeltida skriftställerskan Christine de Pizan (1363-ca
1430), ägnar tre kapitel åt att diskutera våldtäkter. de Pizan invänder där mot
den medeltida föreställningen att den våldtagna tjejen, om hon skulle bli trodd,
måste bevisa att hon skrikit ut sin förtvivlan över nejden. Likaså kritiserar
hon den kyrkliga åsikten att tjejer som våldtagits borde ta sitt liv i
förtvivlan. Mest intressant är hennes omskrivning av legenden om den Galatiska
drottningen, berättad av Boccaccio. Drottningen hade tillsammans med sitt
sällskap rövats bort och våldtagits av sin kidnappare. I ett obevakat ögonblick
lyckades hon få en av sina tjänare att halshugga våldtäktsmannen – vars huvud
hon senare förärade sin make. Detta var ett för tiden tydligt exempel på att
tjejer kan inte bara överleva en våldtäkt, utan även hämnas på förövaren. I de
Pizans version, illustrerad under hennes överinseende, är budskapet än tydligare
i och med att drottningen själv utför dekapiteringen (att våldtäkten skulle vara
vanhedrande för offret är en föreställning som inte ens de Pizan lyckas frigöra
sig från). Det var knappast heller någon slump att den förövare av ett sexuellt
övergrepp som oftast avbildades i äldre tid var den ur första Mosebok hämtade
Potifars hustru. Hon påstås som bekant först ha misslyckats med att förföra
Josef, Jakobs och Rakels son, för att sedan med en falsk våldtäktsanklagelse ha
fått honom kastad i fängelsehålorna. Även dessa föreställningar, om fresterskan
och den påhittade våldtäktsanklagelsen, återfinns i själva hjärtat av det
västerländska kulturarvet.
- Det blev grund att atarta en debatt i SvekJa Kingdom om relationerna...
- Which one?
- Many... Massor... exempelvis vikinga regler full fart aktuellt fortfarande...
Pedofiler gynnas... Pedofiler anställs av officiella kretsar exempelvis
kurdosionistiska pedofil förrädaren Abit Dundar... Hans landsman den ökända
neo-sionistiska organisatören Nedim Dagdeviren och liknande rörelserna...
- Satellite regime's made an awful boob!.. - Whor are the really behind
this neo-liberal labeled WC?.. I continue in Svekish, menas, vem som står bakom
sådana kriminella?.. Jag har studerat fallet och upptäckt att mestadels af
kulturella falsifikationer ligger en enorm lobbyverksamhet som bedrivs
storskalligt direkt från Tel Aviv&Jew York.. Speciellt i dagens läge visar dessa
kretsar mäktigare ut, tyvärr! De experimenterade och fixade massa instruktioner.
Det är skrämmande att allt kan utnyttjas i samhället om bara dessa hororo vill
exempelvis fraudbenägna medlemmarna i Nobel-prize liknande stiftelserna...
- Corruption? - Both!.. Om man ger pengar till någon riskerar
ifrågasättas om korrupption.. Men om man betalar samma belopp till ett samröre
som maskerad i form av stiftelse samverkan blir det legalt, undviker ligan att
betala skatt och sådana detaljer som bonus...
- OK!.. I understand... You mean, the oligarchical foundations work like any
kind of the legalized fraudulent instruments...
- Definitely!
- I wish listen more... Go on, please!...
**

- It was the second time since 1991 the academy gave the award to a South
African. In 1991, it awarded the prize to another Jewish porpagandist, Nadine
Gordimer. - Feeling of indebtedness... Swedish evangelian zionist power feel
deeply thanksgving by South African collaboration all of operations... The prize
includes a check for more than $1.3 million, but it can also bestow the added
advantage of increased sales, celebrity and admiration. Hora C Engdahl, the
permanent secretary of the academy, said the decision was an easy one. But it's
scandal that this time again discovered that commission members didn't read any
book of Coetzee.. Coetzee, pronounced Cute-SEE'-uh, exposed that Swedish shurk
elite has more time for absolute votha instead of literature...
**
- We think in generalities...
- ...but we live in detalis.
- ...and a lot of people understand nothing, like me!
- ?!

** - Do you translate it, too? Man can't understand
this strange Svekish languae!
- Okay!.. Let's continue with the sponsors issue!
- Varför den lobbyverksamheten övertygar de hjälporganisationerna att supporta
de förrädiska kriminella immigranters falska kulturella centra?
- Exempel?
- Byggdes Kurdish Library, men neo-sionistiska grupper utbildas där i
verkligheten..
- We didn't know!..
- Watch this documentary clip, please; after then we can continue to explain!
- Start, Sir!
- Original label å nakna sanningar formaterats såhär: "E.U. under Zionist
conspiracy"; any chosen Democratical E.U. institutes been targeted... Financial
Criminal Lobbies&dirty affairs&collaborators...
www.Kurdinfo.com/ sympatisörer framlägger bevis om s.k. the financial
collaborative lobbies/concept " i samarbete med översättnings hjälp av
frivilliga hos UNITY: http://myweb.vector.ch/dnthines/home.htm

**

- I understand better!... It looks like a worldwide connection like an half
official liberalized whore culture... Oligarchie uses liberal gloves...
- That is right!... Therefore the estalishmnet needs Nobel-prizes and corrupted
professur chairs for enormous camuflage of the pedophilia and similarly
scandals...

** - Organization "E.U. for the people" . just
reported that E.U. in Crisis!
- Unfortunately; yes, it is !.."
- That is right!... Like Comrade Rojev pointed; "Det bekräftas av olika kretsar
t. ex. ROJEV konstaterat att Krisen fördjupas på grund av konfrontationen
mellan EU&sionistika ockupations gänget/ samt provokation och korruption osv
använts som vapen -full coverage/updated pages... Varning om judiska
provokatörligor i Australia&SvekJa Kingdom som beväpnar kriminella fanatiker bl.
a. kurdiska smugglare/urkundsförfalskare... Folkcentrum-o. Folkhögskolan
Skeppsholmen's vänner informerar i samarbete med Kurdinfo...
- What does Kurdinfo mean?
- Yes!... This organization has been two different organizations, the true DDKD
revolutionaries and the false heroes who accepted work for Zionist leagues...
- Let's listen to dialogs!..
- Det betyder att det är inte hela svenska folket utan s k
sionistisk-fascistiska provokatörer som prisar de falska flyktingarna som
manipulerat Migrationsverket (legaliserade korruptionsgänget) och andra mutade
myndigheter, hävdar Keya Izol (Nedim Dagdevirens förre detta "bästa" vännen).
Den kriminella tjuven Nedim Dagdeviren som hävdade att vara kurdisk flykting och
fått uppehällstillstånd Det stämmer inte, avslöjar tjuvens närmaste f.d. vännen
Keya Izol, bryter banan nu... Nu fick de en extra affärslokal som har skylten
"Kurdiska bibliotek" på Skeppsholmen ö (!) där bara förrädiska kurder och
MoSSad's svenska medlemmar möts istället för läsare...
- Skrattretande! Komplexive relationen å scenen...
- Yes!... Baltics' corrupt-addicted leagues work for NATO and Scandinavian
Jewish financial authorities fishing these easy going fishes... They need the
well camouflaged cultural centers, foundations like false library settled in
Skeppsholmen...
- Skeptiskholmen?!..
- I agree with you... They explain it on the former links:
http://www.marebalticum.se/index.htm
- Skämtskylten "Kitêbxaneya Kurdî" menas "Bibliotek". lurar
myndigheterna, men det kan inte lura eller locka folket p.g.a. stället är
utanför city-centrum, ligger på en ö, viktigaste orsaken är det saknas böcker
där inte bara Judisk Krönika eller andra propagand materiell som Menorah. "
"Birêvebirîya komeleyê ji van kesan pêk tê: serok Kalli Klement, sekreter Ove
Rådberg, muhasîb Lisa Nordström, endam Eugen Schoulgin, Marie-Hélène Boccara,
Suzanne Osten û Birgitta Wallin, Per Ahlmark, Cordelia Edvardson, Jackie
Jacubowski och (adopted criminal Hirvatian&Ethiopian Jew, in the prison
nowadays) Jackie Arklöv med flera i detta Kitêbxaneya Kurdî", säger i sitt
språk. Expanderar genom hjäp av välsorterad kollaboratorer av judiska
insamlingen:
http://www.ijk-s.se/svejud/sejud.htm
- Neo Fascist Zionist, vad som låter väldigt smart uppfinning att
samla pengar av både lättlurade stackare flyktingar och godtrogna svenska
folket. Vart tog vägen då 8 miljoner kronor som direkt hamnade Nedims händer???
Ingen visste!?.. Varför den Framtidens kultur stiftelsen så förtegen om detta?
Kanske har de ingen am´ning om varandras adresser eller telefonnummer då bör man
tillägga här:
Kitêbxaneya Kurdî , Skeppsholmen, Stockholm, tel 00.46.8.679 88 03 och fax
00.46.8. 679 88 04. Stiftelsen framtidens kultur, Glunten, 751 83 Uppsala, tel.
00.46.18. 17 19 40 och fax 00.46.18. 17 19 41, plus den kända
urkundsförfalskaren judisk-fanatiska propagandsbrottslingen, (efterlyst i Polen)
Julian Iljitzki, Djäknegatan 91, 754 25 Uppsala; Kristian Gerner, one other
famous bastard of Zion clan, Historieförfalskare i Institutionen för
östeuropastudier, Uppsala Uni., Gamla Torget 3, Box 514, 751 20 Uppsala. Phone:
0.46.18.4710000 Fax 00.46.18.106397. mm. Dessa enögda fascister som bildat det
falska Kitêbxaneya Kurdî, eller s.k. Zionistiska församlingens andra platsen som
ligger på Slupskjulsvägen 26, 111 49 Stockholm... Varför då på en ö?... Såhär
många rika judar skulle inte kunna fixa en riktig läsesalen i stan? Eller hur?
Det är otroligt för att äkta kurdiska bibliotekets säte är Frankrike som funnits
i legala bibliotekens filialakatalogen såhär:Bibliothèque??? Jo, det finns ett
riktigt legalt " European Kurdish Library" i Paris:
http://www.institutkurde.org/ikpweba/biblio/bib.htm "Kurdish Library of
Neo-Zionists" i Stockholm är ett ren falskt, provocativt samröre, uppger de
oberoende källlorna genom citera lite av det europeisk-kurdiska biblioetekets
pampfletter: "Catalogue of books available at the Paris Kurdish Institute's
Library over 6.000 titles listed by FileMaker data base. The Kurdish Institute
maintains the largest Kurdish library in the Western world. At present
it possesses 6,423 monographs on the Kurds, in 23 languages, several tens of
thousands of writings, collections of periodicals and newspapers, photos, videos
as well as an archive of sounds and musical recordings. Address of this legal
Kurdish Library: Fondation reconnue d'utilité publique 106, rue La Fayette,
75010 Paris. Tél. : 00.33.1.48 24 64 64 - Fax : 00.33.1 48 24 64 66 Other
contact possibilities on: http://www.fikp.org E-post:
ikp@fikp.org ... ... Neo-Nedim som förnyat sin bostad också. Här är den extra
lägenhets address: Nedîm Dagdeviran Per Lindeströms väg 76, 121 46 Johanneshov
Tel. 00.46.8. 556 223 23 eller Tel. & fax 00.46.8. 556 224 24 Första adressen
har blivit kvar i katalogen som tillhör första frun (tel: 00.46.8. 774 73 54;
fax: 00.46.8. 711 0836 ) som låtsas-skilda att få något sort extra bidrag av de
svenska korrumperade myndigheterna. ... ... Nedims
"outlawed son" har den tredje lägenheten också under förfalskade uppgifter och
tävlar med pappan genom fusk t.ex. "Invandrarföreningen" osv. Han heter Mehmet
Tayfun som använder f.d. mammans efternamn, Tayfun, (code name is: Malmisanij in
the occupied Middle East. Malmisanij has been wanted both in Syria, Armenia and
Irak...) bor i Spånga, driver den låtsas verksamheten författarföreningen,
Hyppingeplan 21, 163 62 Spånga Tel 00.46.8. 760 69 38 Projekt: Sionisternas
Hatikva-samröre Framtidens dominerande kultur stiftelsen betalade 30 000 kr som
första symboliska delen av tjänsten för att korrumpera vissa lättköpta
kriminella varelser. Summan betalades i handen av Nedim Dagdeviren i Uppsala.Det
blev ju bara driskgeld p.g.a. efteråtfått han otroliga bidrag av olika
sionvänliga kretsar bl.a. statens (vilka krafternas stat) kulturråd osv. Den
ökända tjuven Nedim Dagdeviren som blivit anställd (ordförande, utan
bibliotekarieutbildning) i det påhittighetens mästarverk mötesplatsen. Det är
en samlingslokal och handlingsplats i verkligheten. De förrädiska kurderna som
huvudaktörer hos människosmugglarna, verksamma judiska kretsarnas all smutsiga
affärer som driver ett extra reservkontor i denna byggnaden. Den är judiska
samröregängets hemsida som avslöjar att hur det kontraktet finansierats i
början: Neo-Zionist Nedim avslöjar sitt kriminella förflutet, erkänner att hotas
av minst 10-års fallande dömar både i Turkiet, Syria och Iraq. Avslöjan läsas på
Internet: http://www.dds.se/dms/50ar/print3_4.htm
Enligt hans egen version; "Bakgrund: Nedîm Dagdeviren, född 1953 i
Bismil-Kurdistan. Jag var medlem i det kurdiska ungdomsförbundet DDKD. När domen
på tio års fängelse föll, hade vi flytt över gränsen till Syria. Därifrån kom vi
till Sverige. Det var 1983. Ordet är vår själ. I Turkiet försvarade jag det när
det förbjöds, spred det när det undanhölls." Lögn, lika listig som Elie
Wiesel!.. Hans version har brist till sanna orsaker och den här är sanningen:
Den kriminella tjuven lurade svenska myndigheter bl.a. Invandrarverket. Turkiska
oberoende källor bl.a. hans f.d. bästa vän Keya uppger att han fängslades aldrig
trots han han hävdar att han fick straff i tio år. Han anklagades för stöld,
plundring av armeniernas kvarvarande förmögen, mordsförsök osv. Alla dessa
händelser visar sig att han ljugit om politiska motivet vad som ligger i hans
pärm hos f.d. Invandrarverket. Han flydde till Syrien 1983. I samma år begick
han liknande brott där och flytt vidare till Europa genom förfalskade papper,
pass, intyg. Sverige som var ett enda landet som accepterade den kriminiella
tjuven och medföljande gruppen som "nysvenskar"!!! Nedim Dagdeviren fick tur
att få jobb trots han aldrig studerade i Turkiet som skulle utbildas till
bibliotekarie osv d.v.s. hans betyg var också förfalskade som alla andra
skurkaktiga medföljande tjuvar. Skurken är ordförande i biblioteket och hans
kålsupare driver liknande centrumet i Uppsala som förråder vårt land. Keko Izol
har mycket att avslöja men denne medlöparens (andra klass förfalskare-judevän)s
språk räckte inte... (Ni får ju publicera denna info. på något sätt... Mvh.
Gunilla P.) ... ... .... SvekJa Kingdom har massor kurdiska föreningar som
mestadels inte kunnig om vad sionistiska faran betyder, hur de kollabortorna
åtgärdas? Någon borde informera dessa lurade kurdmedlemmar:
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Borlänge Sturegränd 11, 784 32 Borlänge
- Kurdiska Spor Föreningen Box 152 16, 161 15 Bromma
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Borås Box 11129, 507 11 Borås
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Eskilstuna Box 14595, 630 14 Eskilstuna
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Falköping Box 146, 521 02 Falköping
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Falun box 6010, 791 06 Falun
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Helsinborg Visitörsg. 13, 252 47 Helsingborg
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Gävle Box 1277, 801 37 Gävle
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Göteborg Box 11102, 404 23 Göteborg
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Hudiksvall Valv. 15, 824 42 Hudiksval
- Kurdiska Kultur och Solidaritetsföreningen Box 225, 175 02 Järfälla
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Jönköping Box 8043, 550 08 Jönköping
- Kurdiska Kultur Klubben Box 130, 691 22 Karlskoga
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Karlstad Fagog. 11, 654 70 Karlstad
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Kristinstad Bataljonv.40, 291 37 Kristinstad
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Linköping Box 657, 582 07 Linköping
- Kurdiska Handikappsföreningen i Linköping Box 657, 582 07 Linköping
- Kurdiska Kulturföreningen i Luleå Box 170, 971 05 Luleå
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Lund Box 1633, 221 01 Lund
- Kurdistans Fredsförening i Malmö Fosilv. 29 B, 7 tr. 214 31 Malmö
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Malmö N.Gränsbergsg. 4, 214 55 Malmö
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Märsta c/o Gharib Adil, Sleipersg 40, 195 54 Märsta
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Norrköping Kungsgatan 26, 602 20 Norrköping
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Nynäshamn Box 266, 149 23 Nynäshamn
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Sala-Häby Box 165, 733 30 Sala
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Sandviken Box 3070, 811 33 Sandviken
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Spånga Box 4118, 163 04 Spånga
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Stockholm Box 49090, 100 28 Stockholm
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Sundsvall Box 6025, 850 06 Sundsvall
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Trollhätten Box 6043, 461 06 Trollhätten
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Umeå Box 257, 901 06 Umeå
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Upplandsväsby Björkvalav. 29, 194 36 Upplandsväsby
- Kurdistans Förening Uppsala Box 308, 750 03 Uppsala
- Svensk Kurdsike Föreningen i Uppsala Box 25065, 750 25 Uppsala
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Västerås Box 1369, 720 13 Västerås
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Örebro Box 537, 701 50 Örebro
- Kurdiska Föreningen i Östersund Box 668, 831 27 Östersund, mm mm
- Why they listed all these Kurdish organisations?
- Just a minute!... Listen to the Svekish version first!...
- Man bör fråga om vem som betalar alla dessa skandinaviens omfattande lokalers
hyror? Varför? Älskar kapitalistiska regimer de konfliktdrabbade länders folk så
mycket? - I wonder!.. Who pays the hires all of the marionette leagues'
offices? And why?..
- That is wonderful question!.. I witnessed, the Jew controlled municipalities
paying all these satellite leagues hire bills... I wonder on the future all of
the members of these headquartes... But, excuse me I' continue in Svekish
language, again... - You are welcome!.. - Well!... När det
gäller sätta på jobbet de medlemmarna av dessa, varför då försvinner
generösiteten utan ifrågasättas de som och diskrimineras en del livet ut så
cyniskt sätt för att "mörka kraftersliknande" verksamheten REGISTRERAR
MÄNNISKOR, speciellt de som är kritiska mot systemet och som beskrivits att inte
lydiga hos den sionistiska imperialismen???
- Vi vanliga medborgare borde vara verkligen vänliga och orka satsa på att
upplysa allmänheten, omedelbart, ifrågasätta vad den enorma satsningen,
systemlydna omorganisationen betyda!
- Sources?
- Svensk Encyclopedia on Internet:; plus, judestyrda trasor som Dagens Nyheter,
Expressen, Menorah, Judisk krönika etc.
- Do you know about John Bennet?
- No!... Tell us, please!
- He is my mainly living source like all others... I want to tell all these
persons... First, John BENNET... We listen to the cassette, then I'll continue
to translate.... Let's continue with the "characters" issue!.. Australiensisk
yttrandefrihetskämpe och revisionist, medlem i Australian Civil Liberties Union.
Uppsala Nya Tidning/artikelserien om "Bergman-affären": Jan Bergman är Professor
i religionshistoria, egyptolog, text-exeget mm. som arbetar vid Uppsala
university. Bergman var inkallad som försvarsvittne i samband med
Rami-rättegången 1989, och vittnade bl.a. om hur judendomen använder sig av
religiösa påbud för att legitimera bruk av våld och mord på icke-judar. Som ett
resultat av att han med sin kompetens och kunskap vågade visa på den judiska
rasismen, beslutade sig judarna för att försöka krossa Bergman, och drog igång
en kampanj, den sk. Bergman-affären, mot Uppsala university. En kampanj som
fortgår alltjämt idag, och vars syfte är att krossa Bergman, beröva hans
akademiska rang, smutskasta honom och sätta ett avskräckande exempel. Den
judiska arrogansen gav dock en motsatt effekt och väckte istället ett medvetande
inom Uppsala university om den judiska makten och hur den verkar. För mer info
bör man läsa Ahmed Rami's bok "Judisk Häxprocess" där Bergmans omtalade
vittnesmål finns publicerat. Läs gärna också Bergmans artikel publicerad i
Upsala Nya Tidning: "Kampanj mot min person" heter rubriken... Kan fräckheten
vara traditionell hos någon annan folkstamm? "Vikingabarbariet kan jämföras med
kanske men, på dett kan man inte tävla med judar", avslöjar dessa fräcka
fascisters egna kommittén i sin egen version som heter The Encyclopedia Jude.
Den här attityd betecknas Chutzpah: (shutzpeh, schutzpah, schutzpeh, shutzpah,
shutzpeh...) Den judiska fräckheten. Ett exempel är enligt "Encyclopaedia
Judaica" sonen som dödade sina föräldrar och senare vände sig till
församlingskassan för att få bidrag som föräldralös. Cordelia Edvardson: Judisk
Ockupied Middle East's korrespondent på Svenska Dagbladet. Vann det stora
journalistpriset 1983. Israelisk medborgare och författarinna till boken
"Brännt barn söker sig till elden" om hennes upplevelser under andra
världskriget i s.k. "förintelse" (hurdan Förintelse, alla klarade överleva och
hon såldes i verkligheten som 14 åring hora till svenska bordeller)... Hennes
son är med i den judiska arméns fallskärmsjägartrupper (som dricker palestinska
barnens blod som äkta pappan SS-trupper...). Ulf Ekman: Pastor och judisk
bastard- "führer" för Livets Ord och fanatisk Zionist Mafia-vän, har bl.a.
skrivet boken "Judarna - Framtidens folk", där han visar hur det är vår plikt
som icke-judar att slava för det judiska folket - till sin hjälp för att
förklara detta citerar Ekman bibelcitat från den judiska bibeln - Torahn. Typisk
religiös kollaboratör fascist i branschen av kristen-Nazi-Zionist triangel.
Förenade Israelinsamlingen - Keren Hayesod: En mäktig judisk organisation, med
global täckning och lokalavdelningar över hela världen. Arbetar med att samla in
pengar till den s k Zionist military Mafia USrael genom
pengainsamlingar och donationer från förmögna judar i "diasporan". Den svenska
lokalavdelningen har en egen tidning som heter "Menorah". Goj: (goy, pluralis.
gojim el. goyim) Nedlåtande judisk beteckning på icke-judar. Synonymt med
"boskap", "kreatur" enligt dem, den form av fascist syn relaterat med judiska
uttrycket "Shabbaz Goj".
- This an enormous double moral machine, it stinks much more in last time...
Machine has two sides; a side of these lobbies discrimate persons and recruits
only the selected loyal members in false democracy areas and second one side of
the troops going to eliminate people on the occupied areas... A soft side and a
bloody backside of an enorms process...
- Look at the AMS, for example it worjks like a kind of mniature model of Nobel
committees; here the persons get first true jobs, who licks the ass of zionist
chiefs.. Meantime these authorities discriminate the honoured intellectuals... I
met well-known examples, jobless academicians too.. There are many persons much
more talented than COETZEEE and Mammele EBADI, there are much more Humanist
Jurists, Humanist Poems, Writers who are the victims of satellite regimes..
These pursued heroes really show engagement on many areas but these pursued
persons are still under heavy persecution process... I met the true heroes of
human rights, been jobless because they never collaborated with the judaized
Imperilaism.. I know many living examples, sice 15 years going jobless... Many
of them used in the laboratories, many of them are not aware...
- Many of them above listed offices and leagues, too.. They have been used as
animals in the laboratories, but they don't aware on such process..
- You mean the false "Jobbcentrum Vårberg"?.. - Such ridiculous process
centres of hypocrisy system... - I understand!.. All these registrated
intellectuals handled more cruel than non-talented immigrants...Because,
imperialism afraid of the brains at work nor the "living creatures"...
- Sweden has at least an half million registrated jobless... Massdiscrmination,
human and no single one "jobseeker Jew"... Like a kind of dynasty...
- Many pursued persons get no single one true cnace in work lihe... All life
long!.. This is a crime!...
- Discrimination is a crime, true!..
- Discrimination and persecution are the exercution of liberal capitalist
barbarity!...
- Satellites living in an ocean of double standards... They give Nobel prize to
the lapdogs and meantime don't see the reality in their own backstage..
- IWe, ordinary people are all together the animals?
- According to Jewish dogmatism; yes!... A kind of "Animaniacs", what the boss
of Swedish cultur-market describes...... If you accept that Jews are first class
human and you are animal, serious; so you can take permanent chance for recruits
in the liberalized work world...
- Now I understand better, why any selected immigrants take always chance to be
personnel in Scandinavia!..
- This is a chain!..
- Dirty and bloody chain, but you must use label "culture"!.. This is the
validity in this community which rules under Zionist domination...

**
- Why the Zionist lobbies invest for manipulative culture activities? - One
aspect of the centuries-old, and present-day, operations of the Zionists is the
undermining and ruining of the culture of other nations, the disintegration of
their distinctive national features and of their national unity. A related
aspect is their activities directed against the culture of all mankind, against
classical, harmonizing art of all kinds. Destruction, dissonance,
abstractionism, surrealism and other nastinesses are elevated into a principle.
This is then declared to be the last word in culture; those who do not accept it
are defamed as being retrogrades, as not understanding modern art, and so forth.
The consciousness and psychology of the masses are ruined. This applies both to
any particular nation, and to all mankind. The nature of the "cultural
activities" of the Zionists lies in depriving all the Gentile nations of their
particular national roots, as well of their roots in a general human sense. That
is the nature of the Zionists' so-called cosmopolitanism. The current decline of
culture and art in Russia is very directly related to the ruinous work of
Zionism, and is the direct work of Zionism's hands. In large matters as in
small, Zionists are everywhere taking control of the organs of administration of
culture, art, education and science, and are performing relevant work in a
manner suitable to Zionism. Specifically, the art of a nation, and the roots of
a nation's soul, are being perverted, vulgarized and coarsened. This is done
shamelessly and effectively. They take their activities to the stage where a
Russian, for example, (and unfortunately this is no rarity) will s