Archived Messages from August 15, 1999 to September 19, 1999

Sun Sep 19 06:56:48 PDT 1999

Martin Sun Sep 19 06:56:48 PDT 1999


Does any of you guys know how I can teach my stupid computer something as complicated as the kryllian alphabet? It neither can read it or write it.


Martin Sun Sep 19 05:40:54 PDT 1999


Why don’t you signe off as Mister Ed?


Martin Sun Sep 19 05:10:19 PDT 1999


Your latest funnies were not only good to laugh about, they were very inspiring.

About your poems:
I think that And onto a land mine, should rime with flowers or vice versa
Watch out that each line contains the same amount of syllables
What is a noun/verb poem?
The poem about change you should publish somewhere. I enjoyed it.
The remember poem is to less pictures or maybe I am just blind except for the pools of chocolate for I know hoe much you love chocolate. Maybe you shoul try to applicate for a Swiss citizenship.
Only women understand women and only man understand man. You know shaving is for the best in a man, therefore a little blood does not hurt. If you cut your face with a razor it does not bleed so much.

And for Gods sake
What is a Pikachu?


All I know about the DNA is that is very strong and that you can neither change or destroy it. It will last forever. Meaning if I find a splinter of your bones in two thousand years I kow your DNA. Nevertheless the idea with the blood transfusion and the changed DNA makes up for a good science-fiction story.

How smart you are. What is a King cake baby? But you forgot that I also would ask what floaties are?


Rachel Sun Sep 19 00:09:56 PDT 1999

Hi all

Allein - I will write :D
Gary - Okay, I have something to tell you... Uh, well, its not really the animals there buddy, I think you should be worried about the spiders. I hear that they can be quite nasty in that part of the worlds (right Jai)? Either way. I'm with yah, and I have a full gas can. Bwah, ha, ha, ha. That's right Hayden! I've taken over your car again! This time I don't have any chocolate but I do now after quite the wresteling match with Gary have the keys. Yes, he faught with all his strength, but I know the flying tickel hold and he could not resist, besides he wanted to wear the lampshade again... Well, now we are having a lovely time. I'll have the car back to you sometime soon (GRINS) So Gary, where should we go?
Rosemary - Yup, that was me. Glad you remember (smiles).
Mark - Welcome!
Larry - So, I'll take that to mean that your okay with my comments. Good stuff (smiles) Hey, I will be looking for more of that story. As for rejections, don't sweat it. Your one up on me. I still haven't even worked up the guts to submit something. Yup, its a sad true fact. I don't even have a rejection to call my own. I almost sent something once, but I changed my mind. Had the envelope all set and ready to go, and just couldn't do it. I guess I'm just not ready, wonder if I ever will be.
Hey all - Could somebody send me a nice nasty rejection so I can frame it up? Hum? It would hurt less coming from a friend (grins). Any takers?
Write at yah later

Take care all

gariess Sat Sep 18 23:01:47 PDT 1999


I'm always a bit confused about DNA myself, especially after the Simpson Trial. Have you read any Patricia Cornwell? She touches on it occasionally.


Sorry not to respond to your post about the Nam, I tend to walk lightly around that topic. Second ammendment rights is about as controversial as I like to get on a posting board. I should at least say, however, that 'I hear you.'


On the topic of writing, I got a rejection in the mail today from an agent I submitted to almost two years ago. Better late than never. I don't even have the manuscript any more.


I give up, what is a King cake baby?


Nice poems. Very clever, the one about change. Please do get an electric shaver, Images of razors letting blood freak me out.


Hello, Colleen, It seems there was a Colleen who posted here a while ago. Welcome, don't mind Hayden, he always wears a lampshade. Something about being from a large family and getting attention, that sort of thing.


I am still hoping for good things to come in Timor Loro Sae.


I hope you are still out there. Please let us hear from you.


I'm still sitting here in the Porsche with no fuel. If you want this thing back you'd better send the road service out. No kidding man, I really think this is the Outback. There could be dangerous animals out here. You could at least speak, or better yet, send water.


Allein Sat Sep 18 20:28:53 PDT 1999

Larry - I regret to inform you that I'm not yet published - in fact, I'm still in high school (most of the jokes aren't even mine - I get them through e-mail). But, I do have a work in progress and you can find it at my website. The address is listed above. :)

Allein Sat Sep 18 20:24:24 PDT 1999

Here's some poems I've written recently in Creative Writing.

Pikachu rolls through flowers,
And grass,
And onto a land mine,
There goes his ass! (hope that word isn't offensive to anyone - don't think it would be though - I've seen it posted here before)

Pikachu so little and sweet,
Pikachu wants to cross the street,
He looks to the left,
Then to the right,
And when the traffic is done,
He steps of the curb and is hit by a bus,
And knocked to kingdom come.

Here's a noun/verb poem:

Drink your milk, small baby,
Mommy's here to sing,
As the bird flies 'round your crib,
Hold your stuffed cat,
Try and sleep,
Go to bed and when you wake,
You'll find morning here.

This is a poem about my brother. We were supposed to write a poem about a person:

Jeremy, like an unmoving log,
Lying like a sloth in his room,
Video games like Final Fantasy,
Sonic the Hedgehog,
Empty stare,
Looking at the glowing light,
Coming from the TV.

A poem about change:

baby boy,
asleep in,

Older now,
Young child
full of

hormone driven,
child and

Young man,
with his

baby girl,
asleep in

Here's one that describes Magiki as she saw her baby brother (Quachik) for the first time:

I remember how soft, how pure you were,
I remember that chubby little cherub,
swaddled in a blanket,
I remember your exact double lying beside you
I remember your eyes - the pools of chocolate
that looked at me
I remember how I wanted a sister
instead of two brothers
I remember your tiny hand grabbing mine,
I remember you wrinkling your nose as I giggled,
I remember the first moment I knew I loved you.

Misc. Poems:

Feel the razor,
Cutting my flesh,
Blood staining the shower stall floor,
I believe I will stop shaving manually.

Why must I sit here,
Day after day,
English, Sports Med, Foreign Language,
And then so much homework,
Just because teachers don't have lives,
Doesn't mean I don't!

Well, that's it for now. I hope you've enjoyed this edition of Allein's poetry corner.

Larry Edwardts Sat Sep 18 20:18:15 PDT 1999

Sorry! I forgot to ask. Has anyone heard of
It is a site where you post a manuscript for a fee. Does anyone have any experience with this site?

Larry E

Larry Edwardts Sat Sep 18 20:10:24 PDT 1999

Stories with DNA have always fascinated me. I was wondering . Does DNA change after a blood transfusion? Do the cells just die off and continue mapping the same? I probably have the wrong concept of the DNA map!

As always, you are a lamp in the darkness. I had stopped writing when rejections from agents came in duplicates.

Is there any sci-fi or techno-thriller round robins currently in progress or about to begin?

Please tell me you have a book out there. Your sense of humor astounds me! Your quips bring a smile to us all. Thanks.

I tried my hand at humor once bust my fingers always got sticky.


I once wrote ten reasons that tell it is raining hard in New Orleans. Since they are local humor, I'll only give you three.

3. I found a crawfish in my mailbox.

2. The Saints(the local footbal franchise) are learning a new play called the back stroke.

1. King cake babies now come with floaties. (This is why my humor fails. Most people would ask: What is a King cake baby?)

Oh well.

Allein Sat Sep 18 18:24:36 PDT 1999

Okay, time for your daily dose of funnies.

The Top 10 Things only Women Understand
10. Why it's good to have five pairs of black shoes.
9. The difference between cream, ivory, and off-white.
8. Crying can be fun.
6. A salad, diet drink, and a hot fudge sundae make a balanced lunch.
5. Discovering a designer dress on the clearance rack can
be considered a peak life experience.
4. The inaccuracy of every bathroom scale ever made.
3. A good man might be hard to find,
but a good hairdresser is next to impossible.
2. Why a phone call between two women never lasts under ten minutes.
And the number on thing that only women understand

Rachel - please e-mail me soon. :)

Mark Sat Sep 18 16:42:43 PDT 1999

Oh dear,
It seems that you already have a member who signs off as Ed.
In future I will sign off as Mark. (which is my real name)

Happy days to all.

Mark Sat Sep 18 16:19:42 PDT 1999

This illustrious site has captured my imagination for some time now.
May I say Hello to all of the regular members.
I have watched the interaction of the members and I have rejoiced at the honesty shown here.
Stay here, and write.
I feel like I know you all.
I love your innocent youth.
You inspire me.
You prick my Concience.
I will be be here!

Avatar Sat Sep 18 12:29:48 PDT 1999

Ach, mi 'ead's 'urtin'!

Americo- Sorry I'm behind. There's only so much a kid can do, even if it is for Shadows. The bulk of my texts is actually how I got my name. Fiction or nonfiction? You be the judge. Is my topic still good for the S' project? Need to know soon.

I've got to go now people. Be back later today.

Later all

Martin Sat Sep 18 12:20:25 PDT 1999


Why post your poems in the workbook? Post them right here. If you post them in the workbook it looks to me like everybody is screaming we want to talk about literature but everytimes when actual literature happens they hide it in the workbook. What do you think?

The old man and Gary

I have a solution to the current dicussion if american citizen should be allowed to carry weapons. Everybody who owns a weapon should be obliged to shoot his/her weapon at least twice a week for a minimum of an hour each at a shooting farm. Whoever does not want to go into so much time consuming action does not care for his/her weapon and therefore should not be allowed to carry a weapon.

Hey I should become a politician.


Allein Sat Sep 18 12:10:06 PDT 1999

Colleen - welcome! I hope you stick around and we can be friends. :)

Rachel Sat Sep 18 11:39:00 PDT 1999

Colleen - Welcome and thanks for the comment
Take care you

Colleen Sat Sep 18 11:32:00 PDT 1999

Just wandered onto this site....and must say that I enjoyed reading your! I'm an aspiring writer....key word here...aspiring....Oh, to put my thoughts on the page for all the world to see. I can hear the murmurings now..."Is that ALL that's in that woman's head????"; Oh to be brave. Rachel, especially enjoy reading you. Colleen

Jerry Ericsson Sat Sep 18 10:38:56 PDT 1999

I know what you are talking about, there have been many times when I felt that my posts were totally ignored. Guess you have to agree or disagree most hardily to get a response from posts.

Maybe attacking? No that isn't what this is supposed to be all about, however you are right, there has been very little talk of writing of late.

Eddie French Sat Sep 18 09:55:45 PDT 1999

This honoured forum changes!
Rhoda, I'm not 'gone' merely quiet.
I watch with a fascination which compels me to stay, to read the next chapter in this unintentional round robin which is the notebook.
For a time, I felt like some sort of God...watching my people go about there lives, all the better for not knowing I watched. I gained insights more valuable than if I had participated.
No No No, how could I ever leave.
Americo, yes, I did let you down on the 'S' project. I had a severe case of 'Block' (laziness) and so fell by the wayside. A little of what Katrina spoke about and a little of my own worries kept me down there. Sorry.
There is no place on earth like the notebook, believe me! I have contributed to forums throughout the world. I have been online since 1990 or there abouts so I know!!

I love your funnys, keep them coming.

Stick around, contribute thoughtfully and you will be rewarded tenfold.

Nice to say hello again, be well.

gariess Sat Sep 18 06:36:39 PDT 1999

Jerry, Katarina, Rosemary,

Please don't be discouraged. I think we can all do a better job of interacting. I have explained to Katarina that I have had problems with posting on the board, and regrettably, a reply that I made to her post somehow, never went up. I believe I saw it on my screen but no one else did. Now it is gone.

Apart from a single technical FUBAR, however, the complaints that you make are valid criticisms. I vow, personally, to take a more active interest in what others are posting and to be more conscious of feelings people may have about being acknowledged. I feel badly that anyone has felt ignored or slighted in any way. I know that Rhoda has alluded to the "cold shoulder" Martin has been getting from Americo, although it seems to me more of "hot shoulder." Personally, Americo never comes across to me in terms of low temperatures.

Anyway, folks, please don't go away. Please keep posting. Give us a chance to make good.

Hayden, you know, you could help a little here. I mean put down the glass of sauce, and the whoopee cushion for a minute. We have some dignified people here. No, I don't want to dance, now.

Well, I guess it won't be easy, folks but stick around.


gariess Sat Sep 18 04:43:07 PDT 1999

Dear Folks,

Am I seeing the same board that everyone else is seeing? The first part of one post was written by Allein and the second by me. Is this some new form of involuntary collaboration, or has the Notebook just become unstable?

I saw some things while posting the other day that seem to have disappeared in the meantime. How did I miss the part about Rhoda leaving? I don't want you to leave, either, Rhoda. Least of all without seeing your post.

Maybe Jack knows what's happening.


Martin Sat Sep 18 02:49:12 PDT 1999


Okay. I have joked about something that is sacred to you. Can you imagine how many jokes I already heared about Russia - a sacred place to me?

By the way. Rhoda and Weston are well informed and they know exactly what they were talking about. I am sure they know more about it than I or you do. (or is it me or you?) They never said you had no reason or motive they simply said, that you overreacted. Didn’t you? And maybe, who knows, maybe you are not the only one who has a good reason to post. Maybe I had a good reason for that joke as well. Couldn’t it be possible?

You acuse me of something and expect me to defend myself? Strange very strange. I certainly will not do that.

But what stroke me most strangly is the fact that all people who agreed with me you have acused of being ill informed in the last post. Fascinating!


Allein Fri Sep 17 20:47:26 PDT 1999

Hi everyone,
I've been in a creative writing class at school and I might put some of my poems on the workbook if anyone wants to read them. They're not very good, but I haven't shared writing in a while.

Rhoda - Please don't leave us. I hate it when people leave. :(

I also don't like the arguing. I do, however, believe that everyone has a right to express their feelings and thoughts freely on the notebook. So, if Americo wants to voice his opinion about Martin, then he should have that liberty, however, I feel many people would mostly likely disagree that Martin is a Nazi. I find Martin and Americo to both be kind and gentle men. They are both my friends and I love them to pieces. :) But, of course, I will not get in the middle of it because I've done that before and it only leads to trouble.

Rachel - Thanks a bunch. I'm going shopping for your birthday present on Sunday (I'm working Sat. so I can actually get some money). I think you're going to like it. :) I can probably get some soundtracks from my friend in Germany, so, it's no problem. I hope they have some soundtracks in Japanese though. I can't wait for you to come down and visit - I'm so happy! :D

Love and peace,

Okay: Time for funnies. :) (well, my face is pretty funny, so you can go to the biography section for a good laugh).

Random thoughts:
Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.

Corduroy pillows: They're making headlines!

Shin: A device for finding furniture in the dark.

Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?

I poured spot remover on my dog, now he's gone.

Used to have an open mind but my brains kept falling out.

Couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder.

Why do psychics have to ask for your name?

Wear short sleeves! Support your right to bear arms.

All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.

Rachel Fri Sep 17 19:19:31 PDT 1999

Hi all

My, my, my. A girl goes of to make diner and just look at what goes on! Looks like we are all clearing the air. That can be good. I'm glad to see so many people posting.
ROSEMARY - This post is for you (smiles). I didn't put your name in caps to yell, I just wanted to be sure that I had your attention. I happen to know that not only did I respond to a post that you left directly to me, but I also wrote you an e-mail. I guess you didn't notice my response, or get my e-mail. Well either way, know that I did both. I know for sure the e-mail, and I am fairly certain on the post. Do you remember, you posted to be about the fact that I burn my work? I am sure that was you. Well, anyway. I hope you stick around.
Rhoda - I have gone into the chat room so many times and found nobody, and other times I have gone in a found one or two people. I think it is all just the luck of the draw. I also know that it can get confusing when you are dealing with different time zones. Heck! I made a phone call today. It was no easy task, the person I was calling is 8 hours ahead of me. Anyway, it is not always easy to hook up, but don't get discouraged (smiles). I love your posts and I would miss you if you were gone.
Jerry Lee - Good to see you again.
Take care all

Allein - I made a couple of phone calls today about the soundtracks. It will not be as easy as I had thought. I will be calling some Japanese and French record stores tomorrow, but the chances of me tracking down German soundtracks in the area would seem to be slim. Well, unless you want my old neighbours music (grins) but I don't think those are the soundtracks you would be interested in (much laughter). I'll keep you posted. Hey! I hope you got my e-mail. I also loved the virtual flower. It was very pretty. It lifted my spirits on a day when I was felling quite flat.
Take care you

Rhoda Fri Sep 17 18:50:39 PDT 1999


Forgive me for referring to you in such a way. I meant no slight. True, I do not understand all that has passed between you and Martin, and I should not have dredged up that past incident. I only meant to say that strong feelings have passed here on the Notebook before.

I really do not like the tenor of the conversation now. A few months ago, Eddie and Michele complained chronically about the Notebook and both left. Thomas and SNArly got into an argument, and SKS left in disgust. I don't think I can really stand another go around like that right now.

A person can always take offense if he or she wants to. I think that every single one of you who has posted has something to do with the conversation and the direction it takes. If you want it to be a gripe session, then it will. If you wish to feel slighted because someone hasn't responded properly to your posts, then consider yourself slighted, whether it was ever the intent or not.

Personally, no one has offended me. I am very fond of you all. I just hate to see negativity take over the board, and it is that negativity that will ultimately drive me away.


Allein Fri Sep 17 18:30:54 PDT 1999

Katrina - In all honesty, when I get home from school, I find that there are several new posts and I quickly skim them. I don't really give responses very often - if not, it means that I probably don't know what to say. But please don't leave us. You seem like a really nice person. :)

Americo Fri Sep 17 17:37:44 PDT 1999

Rhoda: I had good reason to say that I suspect Martin is a Nazi more or less in desguise. I do not withdraw any of my words until further evidence to the contrary, which must come from him and not from anyone else. He knows why I said that. You do not. Rather than bad-mannered, as someone called me (Weston), I was more kind than I care to tell you or the other people in this place. I am not a man to publish private correspondence, if you know what I mean. But I have the right to publicly show my indignation when someone publicly attacks or jokes with things that are sacred to me — which was the case.

And I am not an "irate person". I am Americo, someone with a name and worthy of your respect and consideration. Please do not mix into matters which you ignore. Your good-will, which I usually appreciate, was rather out of place and more unfortunate than you can imagine. I am very sorry that you said that and treated me like a ill-mannered rufian with no reason or motive. You should know me better.

Katarina: still on the subject of not getting replies to one's posts. I sometimes have the same feeling as you and am quite often tempted to leave the Notebook. What I do to resist that temptation is to think that the notebook is a kind of diary, where I write notes sometimes only for me. Quite a good place to remember where I left my "thoughts and reflections". I lose easily things like pieces of paper or paper notebooks.

Rhoda Fri Sep 17 16:52:01 PDT 1999

Katrina and Jerry Lee,

I am truly sorry you feel the way you do. It is news to me, Jerry, that you are not welcome here on the Notebook. A "cold shoulder?" Really?

I have posted here for over two years and most of my posts do not get responded to. I think here and there I have written some well thought out ones too. But never have I thought I was receiving a "cold shoulder."

If you want to talk about insults and "cold shoulders," ask Martin. He posted something and was called a Nazi and told not to come back again by one irate person. That is a "cold shoulder." Happily, Martin is still with us after that.

If I have excluded anyone, please forgive me. I never meant to. It was not intentional and I didn't realize I was doing it. If I disagree with something posted, I generally say so. If I say nothing, it usually means I agree or assent. I am not very good at e-mail. I correspond with a few people, but I am a little shy at initiating those contacts on my own.

I spend most my life ignored. I guess I have gotten used to it, and it doesn't bother me. Many times I give my children wonderful advice about how not to get in trouble, and it isn't always heeded. I suppose about 10% of what I say sinks in, so I keep trying. As Americo has mentioned, if you want to feel ignored, be a writer. Submit your heart and soul to editors and agents and just see how impersonal are most of the responses. Sometimes I honestly wonder if some of my submissions are even read. Once in a while a friend might praise my writing, and I enjoy that when it happens, but most of the time I get ignored. Rarely someone has the courage to tell me my writing is not good.

Jerry, if you think there is good discussion here, stick around. If there are people here that really don't like what you say, I have found they will tell you, or at least some will.

The Old Man earlier lamented the injustice of conversation without personal contact. I think I now understand his meaning. If this was a chat room rather than a board, then these misunderstandings might not come up as much.

Incidently, I put out a personal invitation to use the Java chat room last Saturday. I waited at the prescibed time 15 minutes, and no one showed up. I was disappointed. It could be that the chat room didn't work for everyone. It could also be that everyone was busy that day. This is the second time that has happened to me. I suppose I should have gotten mad about it. It was sort of humiliating now that I think about it. But actually I don't remember letting it ruin my day then, and I won't let it ruin my day now.

It is our choice how we choose to react to situations we don't like. I just hate to see people get disenchanted and threaten to leave. On the basis of aforementioned criteria, there shouldn't be a soul left using this Notebook.


Rosemary Fri Sep 17 16:50:53 PDT 1999


Just a quick note to Katarina,
I have posted here three or four times in the last six months and never received an answer or mention of any kind. I keep droping in ocasionally, but posting is usually a waste of time for me.
Maybe you'll have a better experience.

Good luck

Jerry Lee Fri Sep 17 15:23:27 PDT 1999

I could not agree more. Both with your last post and the fact that for a new member to be acknowledged, they must discuss only the topic at hand, and then only in carefully chosen words. If the idea is fresh and the topic is controversial, the troupe seems to turn a cold shoulder.
You have not seen my name here for quite a while for exactly that reason. Too bad, too. Because this page is about the best place I've seen on the web for discussion.
I hang around, but being as unwelcome as on of those guys on Star Trek in the red shirts (who you know is going to die in this episode) I've quit participating. I still hope for the chance to say something "acceptable", but I'm really wondering if it's worth it.

Jerry Lee

Katarina Fri Sep 17 13:56:58 PDT 1999

Americo & Rachel: Thank you. I appreciate your response.

Americo Fri Sep 17 12:00:16 PDT 1999

Katarina: this Notebook is an excellent mirror of what expects you when you become a published writer. If you are already one you know that the frustration of not receiving immediate answers from critics or readers is a cruel fact. And then, suddenly, you become aware that more people than you have ever dreamed of have read you and have strong opinions about you, perhaps even more than about your books.

Some years ago, I was travelling in a commuter train from Lisbon to Estoril. It was about 2 a.m. and there were only three people in my carriage. Two youngmen quietly conversing on the same seat and I, half-asleep, on the other end of the carriage. They were discussing a book they had read. One did not seem to have a great impression about the book. He was of the opinion that the book lacked originality. That was when his companion got mad and started criticising his notion of "originality" and defending the book as really original. It was only when they were almost fighting that I realized that the matter of such controversy was one of my books and that none of the youngmen had recognized me as its author.

I was feeling very lonely at the time and was living under the impression that no one cared about what I wrote. When I got home and felt safe from the wrath of those two angry readers, I was very happy and realized that there is not such a thing as a voice preaching in the desert. Someway or another we are always making an impression, even if we cannot see its immediate effects.

Long live Timor Lorosae!

Rachel Fri Sep 17 07:57:25 PDT 1999

Hi Katrina

Your wrong (smiles). It may seem that way, but it isn't. I would usually have responded to a post, even if by e-mail. I do not often leave my deeper thoughts and opinions on the notebook.
I have been sick and not been doing much.
I'll tell you that often when I read posts I will agree or disagree, but not always respond. It doesn't mean that nobody read what you put, or that nobody cares. Honestly (smiles for you).
Hope you stick around, but if you head out...
Take care

Jerry Ericsson Fri Sep 17 07:03:16 PDT 1999

Anyhow back to writting topics:


I have a spelling checker
I disk covered four my PC.
It plane lee marks four my revue
Miss steaks aye can knot see.
Eye ran this poem threw it.
Your sure real glad two no.
Its very polished in its weigh,
My checker tolled me sew.
A checker is a blessing.
It freeze yew lodes of thyme/
It helps me right awl stiles t~to reed,
And aides me when aye rime.
Each frays comes posed on my screen
Eye trussed too bee a joule
The checker pours o'er every word
To cheque sum spelling
Bee fore wee rote with checkers
Hour spelling was in deck line
Butt now when wee dew have a laps,
Wee are not maid too wine.
And now bee cause my spelling
Is checked with such grate flare,
There are know faults in awl this peace,
Of nun eye am a wear
To rite with. care is quite a feet
Of witch won should be proud,
And wee missed dew the best wee can,
Sew flaws are knot aloud,
That's why eye brake in two averse
Cuz Eye dew want too please.
Sow glad eye yam that aye lid bye
This soft wear four pea seas.

Thought this might lighten up the topics and get us back on track talking about writting.

Katarina Fri Sep 17 07:00:18 PDT 1999

After my last post, and no response whatsoever to what I wrote, I feel unwelcome. It seems to me (and I am not being childish or petty), that this notebook is based on two or three contributors and others simply minor intrusions? Someone tell me I am wrong!?

Allein Fri Sep 17 06:08:05 PDT 1999

Americo - this weekend, I shall begin that part on the masquarade. :)

Only about 2 weeks till Rachel visits me! I'm so happy! :)

"If at first you never succeed, never try Russian roulette."

"If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you."

Americo Fri Sep 17 04:51:26 PDT 1999

Good morning, people of East Timor! In the next few hours you will see the light of hope.
"Shadows" people: I cannot make the book without the final versions of the texts of ALL co-authors. The bulk of the texts of Sqrl and Avatar do not fit the general structure of the book and must be revised by their authors as it was already asked. Xavier has not answered my post asking him to send me his complete output — at least until now he is NOT a co-author and I start wondering if he will ever become one.

I do not mind writing the book with a very limited number of co-authors or even alone. So, those who are interested in trying to make a most successful round robin in a real book make up your mind: do you want just to remain successful "round robiners" or also want to try to become authors? If you want to try to become authors, please collaborate activelly and promptly — according to the rules published in the round robin itself. I give you a week to answer this appeal.

I also remind all notebookers that, as it was suggested when the "S" project was launched, any posts published here may be used, in any form whatsoever, for describing the Notebook and their people. This means that any of you may become a character in "Shadows" and your "thoughts and reflections" preserved for posterity. We have all sorts of characters there, even a cat.

The novel is "a study on the cybernetic mind", which means an analysis of the kind of people who use the Internet with passion and how the Internet — and mainly a page like the Notebook— may affect their everyday life and even their personality.
People of East Timor (Timor Lorosae): all my thoughts and heart and tears are for you. I love you, children that have been born in the worst possible conditions, women that have been raped and brutally killed, men that have been murdered and tortured just because they want to be free from the tyranny of a foreign country with a completely different culture and religion from the one you want to preserve, priests and nuns who only want to do good. I love you! Your cause is the cause of democracy and humanity — not a difficult cause to understand. Good morning, my brethren!

Allein Thu Sep 16 18:19:41 PDT 1999

Gariess - I know they buy pine cones too. We have a squirrel living around our house and he's always biting and knocking down green pinecones in order to age them so he can eat them. I've seen squirrels and chipmunks and they're both very cute. I've yet to see a sqrlmunk though...


The Old Man Thu Sep 16 15:37:04 PDT 1999

Ladies and gentlemen,

Lo, the injustice of conversation sans personal contact.

To the few people with whom I speak on a face-to-face basis, it is understood that I congradulate the writers of our constitution for being so forward-thinking as to install the second ammendment. I agree with the notion of a government that lacks the power to to disarm the populace that it serves. In other words, good for the gun-owners!
But, when the dubious wording is mis-enterpreted into allowing deranged individuals to purchase anything in the way of weaponry for their own cruel ends, I say that there must be a mutually satisfying answer to the 'gun problem'. One that the gun owners and the rest of a frightened nation can live with.

As for squirrels digging up other squirrels nuts; Did your source of information tell you that rodents are uncommonly greedy little things. The reason they dig other's booty is so that their own hoard is left for themselves. Does it not follow that with such a talented nose, the squirrels in question could not more easily find their own nuts in their own territory rather than passing by all of these buried treasures for the bounty of another?
Squirrels are born thieves, however cute they may be.

The lesson here is that when studied more closely, EVERY situation in life comes down to personal survival and personal satisfaction.


Americo Thu Sep 16 15:22:29 PDT 1999

Jack: kiss Australia for me! Thank you, Australians. And do not fear. There is no such thing as Timorese militias. They are just Indonesian military criminals disguising themselves as people. The moment the Indonesian government controls its army, not a single shot will be heard in Timor Loro sae.

People: Jack will return in three days and he will archive this page. With over 300 kb, it has beaten all the records! And it is still running, and not that slow for that matter. Good code behind it, I suppose.

Americo Thu Sep 16 15:13:22 PDT 1999

I would like to pay homage to Mark Stahl, an American journalist whose weapon is a camera. With just this gun he has done more for the cause of East Timor than all governments of the world. He photographed one of the massacres commited by the Indonesians to the Timorese in 1991. And is now courageously in the mountains of that martyr country, registering what is still left of that most unfortunate people, while the bureaucrats of the United Nations are still talking and talking and talking. Mark Stahl is an example of what a single person can do for the cause of humanity.

Allein: the metaphor of the squirrels is a most intelligent answer. I was proud of you when I read it.

gariess Thu Sep 16 09:28:34 PDT 1999


You have discovered the wonderful wisdom of nature. If all squirrels bury acorns, and all squirrels dig up acorns. It doesn't matter which acorns the squirrels dig up. By the way, they also bury pine cones. When I emptied out a flower pot, I found a pine cone neatly concealed at the bottom.


Katarina Thu Sep 16 06:31:27 PDT 1999

My, what introspective fodder for the mind. I am reading these posts early in the morning (not my best time of the day)and it is amazing what I have learned from you all! (Too bad Weston left when he did, huh?)

To Jerry: Remember WHO Allein is and put yourself in her place. I remember when I was her age. I was invincible, authority sucked and I did not venture past my own viewpoint. Allein knows not of war. Only those who have been there know of war. Allein knows not of any government other than ours. Maybe in schools they should start teaching of other types of governments and have guest speakers from other countries. Maybe then the younger generation would see the United States Government in a different light?

My husband used to work with a fellow from Russia, Oleg. During their breaks and lunch hours, Oleg would tell my husband stories about life in Russia (you cannot fathom the poverty and how restricted life is there) and how grateful he was to be in the United States now. It was so interesting to hear, first hand, about daily life in Russia and to reaffirm that we really are pretty well off here. Freedom is very much taken for granted.

Re: Vietnam...Allein...someday you will get the chance to talk in depth to a Vietnam vet. I have twice and it happened per chance. It is truly very sad to hear their stories and to know that their lives will be affected forever by the travesty of war. But there is a reason for war and there is a reason for the United States to be involved in such wars, even if we don't agree with it personally. I am always very proud to talk to a man who has fought for the U.S. and I will always give them the utmost respect. They have defended our country and our freedom. Who could be more of a hero?

Regarding the Colorado killings....I don't believe that "guns" are the mitigating factor. I believe that the demise of the family structure in America is the primary reason that young kids(12?!?!?!?!?) are shooting other people. You cannot tell me that in an attentive, healthy, loving family unit, you would not know that your child was plotting murder, buying guns, etc. What is happening to families these days? My concern lies there and how to correct this situation. I have two young children and I don't want to worry that they may be shot in school someday!!!!

Yikes, I have gone on and on, but this is very emotional stuff....

Allein Thu Sep 16 06:22:04 PDT 1999

Here's some info I found - it may be interesting to someone:

Squirrels don't dig up nuts they previously buried. They
actually track down nuts other squirrels buried. You see,
squirrels have a keen sense of smell but a lousy memory. They forget where they buried their own stash, but can sniff out others (maybe the little guys should try adding a little Ginkoba to their acorns).

Allein :)

Martin Thu Sep 16 06:07:18 PDT 1999

Jerry and Alleine

Yes do the reaserch on Dresden. But please do not forget to reaserch what happened to Heidelberg.

The old man and Gary

I have been to the USA twice for over six monthes each time. I have met people who carry a gun. They were reasonable person who exactly knew what it means to carry a gun. Do you really want to take them their guns because of a few maniacs in Collorado or Atlanta? Why does the majority always have to suffer under the cause of the minority? Old man you made a good point about cowardice. I agree to take the guns of these people away but please not on the cost of the reasonable gun-owners I have met.


Jerry A.G. Ericsson Wed Sep 15 22:14:03 PDT 1999

On the subject of the 2nd Ammendment; What a wonderful time to discuss this, CNN is reporting as I type the MURDER of seven, and wounding of eight in Fort Worth Texas. But anyhow, the liberal view of the 2nd ammendment to the US constitution, is that it means the National Guard. When I was studying the law at the University of North Dakota, they taught us that if you are preparing to argue the meaning of an article of law, or an ammendment to the Constitution, you research what the writers of that law or article or ammendment ment when they wrote it. This research is very simple, as the writters left their thoughts in many articles published in the newspapers of the time. These writtings are published in a book called the Federalist Papers. While studying law, I researched the 2nd Ammendment, for a paper for Constitutional law. What I found was that the writters did not in fact mean that we would need a "National Guard" type malitia, but that to protect the PEOPLE from opressive government, the right of the PEOPLE to keep arms must be defended.
You don't have to believe me, do the research yourself.

For nearly 18 years, I carried a gun and a badge. Many times I wished that we could take all the guns and dump them in the angry ocean, but just as many I was happy that citizans had firearms to protect themselves, when we were not there.

The constitution is a growing changing document, and as the streets grow more angry every day, it may be the time for a change. I don't know, but what I do know is that it not up to me, or any one of you, but it is up to all of us to make that change. At least all of us living in the US. Since we live in a Republic, it is necessary for us to make our feelings known to our representatives, who in the end must vote to make such a drastic change. For my part, I could live out my life without having any of my firearms, although they do look impressive hanging on the dinning room wall, I could hang a painting, or maybe a photo of my little grand daughter.

Life goes on.

If you find yourself in the hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging.


Jerry A.G. Ericsson Wed Sep 15 21:50:54 PDT 1999


You can choose to believe what you saw in your book, although I question the motives of those who write the text books. A few years an elderly aunt of my wife's died. She left a text book that she had picked up somewhere along in her life, it was written just after the end of the first world war. I could hardly recognize the description of that war from that history book. You could tell that it was very one-sided, by refferences to the acts of the "terrable hun".

I am sure that many civilians were killed by our bombs. In war that does happen, do a little research on what happened to Dresden Germany in WW II. But such actions done by our troops were without malace.

I have never talked about this incident since I left the Republic of Viet Nam, but now it seems appropriate.

Sometime back in October, 1970 we entered a small village near Su Chein about fifteen Klicks from Cam Rahn Bay. The Viet Cong (you know the people we were fighting) had been to the village the night before. We knew the village as a friendly village, and had been there about a month before, and were well received by the people who resided there. Apparently the VC knew about the feelings of the village, and they took revenge because the villagers had cooperated with us. We learned through our interpertor that that night, twelve VC entered the village and went straight to the village elders hootch. They drug the old man, his wife, and his sixteen year old daughter to the center of the village, and while the villagers looked on, they took turns rapeing both the wife and daughter. Then as several VC held the old man, they systematically butchered both women, beginning with a long slit from the left side of the belly region and ending at the bottem of the abdomonal wall, and the removal of all the bowels. Then their throats were slit. When the VC were done, they slit the throat on the village elder, and left.

Needless to say, the rest of the villagers were not real cooperative after the VC left. That was what the good communists did to the noble people of Viet Nam.

During TET of 1969, the VC and the NVA (soldiers from North Viet Nam) Captured and held the ancient capitol of Hue. While they held the City for over two weeks, they murdered all the school teachers, bankers and government employees. They also killed all the family members of any soldiers who were serving in the Army of South Viet Nam.

Now I know that this does not make what you read in your text books right, but you must take into consideration the actions of both sides.

Sorry to ramble on, but I hate it when someone with a little schooling takes swipes at our grand republic.


gariess Wed Sep 15 20:16:14 PDT 1999


I sent the story to Rachel, I remember telling her I would. Was I supposed to send it to you as well? My memory is failing me.


gariess Wed Sep 15 20:10:40 PDT 1999

Martin, T.O.M.,

Rather than misquote the the Constitution I will simply refer to the wording of the provision regarding the bearing of arms in a general way. The out of context "Right to bear arms" is rarely cited with its full wording. The wording that completes the provision refers to an organized militia.

The founders intentions were aimed at something like the National Guard which is, in fact, our organized militia. The writers of the second ammendment never envisioned making a basis in law for all the evils of a trigger happy society. The fore-fathers had no interest in providing a legal venue for every half-wit and frustrated John Wayne in the country-side who wants to "bear arms," contrary to whatever you may have heard from Moses Heston and his NRA, fire-arms industry bed mates.

Any constitutional right has to be exercised with reason. People understood hundreds of years ago that they could only provide a framework for law and not a cathechism of specific applications for any eventuality. We have the right to free speech but not the right to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater. This is an over-used teaching example but it explains that constitutional interpretations have to be made to order and can't be cooked up in advance.

The second ammendment does not commit the nation to total permissiveness on the the issue of gun possession. The gun industry would like everyone to believe that it does, that would suit their purpose quite nicely, but if the wording is left in context it provides a very flimsy constitutional sheild for their profiteering. They want to sell guns with impunity to as many people as they can, and they have many millions of dollars to commit to their lobby efforts.

So, shall we dance?


The Old Man Wed Sep 15 15:30:38 PDT 1999


The second ammendment of the US constitution guarantees that the government can't take your guns. Most people believe that when it was written, and the writers knew only muzzle-loader rifles, that the intent was to make sure that you had the ability to hunt for food and fight off a government turning against it's people. (They had just rid themselves of British rule).
People use the subtle wording of the document to assure that they are better prepared for war than most small countries.
And, while it is true that if you disarm a dangerous man you are left with an unarmed dangerous man, in how many instances is the courage of a coward multiplied by a gun? Would a small man cross a street to stab a big man? Would the same small man be empowered by being able to stay on his own side of the street and shoot the big man from there?
The changing of the constitution is no small matter, but most people agree that the violence of small men is getting out of hand.


Martin Wed Sep 15 14:55:31 PDT 1999


It is a fact that if you give the people the fredom you ask for they missuse it. Please be also aware that total freedom includes the freedom to shoot people. Therefor it will always be an act of balance. I think that your gouvernment is doing pretty good. Of course you are right. Of course your government has done wrong. Of course you have a good reason to be angry. To be critical does not only mean to point your finger at the wounds of your government it also means to look at the bright side. I guess that is what I am trying to tell all the time.

Let’s go back to the Kosovo. Let’s imagine the UN has not intervened and the Serbs have won the war. Don’t you think, that they would have smelled the odor of the conquerer and tried their luck on Slovenien? Maybe succed, too. Next is Austria. The rest is up to your fantasy. I am very moved that the US Army decided to fight yet another war for me.

It is not the weapon that is dangours. The person who uses it is. Of course you can take the gun away from him but it would not change anything. The person remains dangerous.

You said that the american government has done wrong in Guatemala. Can you give me more information?

The old man

What is the second ammendment?

We have direct democracy here in Switzerland. It is very slow but it works fine.

El lobo solitario

Rachel Wed Sep 15 14:27:21 PDT 1999

Larry - Hi you (smiles) You will be sorry that I went back to your story (grins). I love it. Love the banter between the characters. It is very good, very true to life. I have made some notes on your text and will forward them back to you by the end of the week (Bwah, ha, ha, ha - that is evil laughter) :)
Take care you

Rhoda Tue Sep 14 22:10:49 PDT 1999


You are an intelligent person and a good scholar; however, never believe what you hear and read from one source. Since I write historical fiction, I do a lot of research. This research not only entails fashion, food, housing, technology, etc., but it also requires me to know the political conditions of the place and time in which I write. Furthermore history is a hobby for me. I love it and I have read much of it.

Never, never accept blindly one point of view, espacially when it pertains to something as recent and as controversial as Viet Nam. A large dose of skepticism is always healthy. Ask yourself the political veiws of the persons who wrote your text-books.

I have read things on wars fought in England and in the United States. Even after decades and centuries, there are differing points of views from different scholars. Sometimes these academic arguments get quite bitter. The best way a writer can look at it is to try to fit in the whole picture. What behavior and reasoning seems logical in view of the generals, kings, and nations involved in the conflict? Recently my husband read a book on I believe the Battle of Yorktown. The British historian who wrote the book believed that George Washington was a very poor general. I can show you a dozen other books that claim that Washington was a brillant general. The news recently came out that Sally Hemmings has been proved to have been the mistress of Thomas Jefferson. For over two centuries it had been claimed by many that her children were Jefferson's. Supposedly the DNA evidence supports the claims of the children's descendants that Jefferson was indeed their ancestor. Still the fact is disputed, but you never hear about that on CNN and ABC networks. Historians knowledgable about Jefferson claim that it was out of character for him to father these children and never acknowledge them. Some DNA scientists also point out that the DNA tests do not confirm that Jefferson was a direct ancestor. The tests only prove that these people shared a gene sequence with Jefferson that was prevalent in his family, meaning someone related to Thomas Jefferson could have fathered Sally Hemming's children.

I don't really care about whether or not Jefferson was the father of Sally Hemming's children. I only point out that even with sophistocated DNA testing available, experts disagree. The truth of the matter might never be known.

Critical analysis is a must for any educated person living in a free society where anyone can essentially write anything they want about anything, even if it be untrue. It has been proved over and over again that text-book writers have their own share of predudices and sometimes use them freely in their books. Perhaps, Allein, you should talk with some Viet Nam vets or read other accounts than those your teachers in school give you.

Incidently did your teachers in school tell you about the chaos and the blood bath that occurred in Viet Nam after the Americans left? I heard an account today about Senator John McCain's experiences in the Viet Cong prison. It was absolutely horrifying what those prisoners experienced. Also remember that this nation was bitterly divided over that war. Those feelings and divisions are still very much alive. I agree we should not have been in Viet Nam in the first place, but I shall never forget accounts of Jane Fonda visiting the Viet Cong and insulting United States prisoners of war and United States soldiers who did not make the policy, but merely did their duty. To this day I will not buy a Jane Fonda tape or a movie with her in it. I also have some friends who were Viet Nam vets. I remember their accounts of their homecoming where strangers insulted them. In one case a barber refused to give my friend a haircut because he had fought in Nam.

Some of the students of that time who burned their draft cards and bitterly protested that war now have great power in their professions. Many of these folks are academians and writers of text-books.

Happy writing!


Gariess Tue Sep 14 21:33:49 PDT 1999


I think I will have to get a copy of Hannibal. I assume you are referring to Hannibal Lecter as in "Silence of the Lamb Chops," and not Hannibal as in "crossing the Alps," Hannibal.


The closest you can come to that "picture" is whatever your imagination can gather. The Omaha landing has been shown in a variety of ways in films using theatrical and newsreel footage but if I am to believe the accounts of certain actual participants, the best dramatic accounting is in the recent film by Spielberg, although it is reported to have concentrated a prolonged action into ten or so minutes. The men that I have known who survived Omaha have said that the outstanding elements were the terror and the intense shock such wholesale killing of people. Even some of the German gunners have said that they killed so many men for such a sustained length of time that they were actually numbed by it. I don't believe that for you and I there will ever be a way to know what Omaha was like and I don't think we would ultimately regret it. An expression soldiers of by-gone wars used was "Seeing the elephant." It meant having been in combat. It used to be told to recruits and replacements, "If you haven't seen the elephant, boy, don't go looking for him."

However long we stay the line.
However long we pull.
If we haven't seen the elephant.
We haven't payed in full.
It leaves us ever wondering.
What is there in our fears.
That we will never come to know.
However long our years.


The porsche is out of fuel. Sorry, I took it without letting you know, mate. Tell me, is the Outback a big empty looking place that sort of goes on for miles?


gariess Tue Sep 14 20:20:07 PDT 1999

Hey, all you guys,

It seems that we are no sooner upbraided for writing about nothing than we are writing about so many things one can hardly keep up. Mathematical theorists tell us that the universe ends at a point beyond which there is no more information. If the smallest microdoodle of information qualifies the space it occupies as part of creation, then I can hardly believe this forum is a vacuum beyond the reaches of the cosmos.

People are talking about wars and injustice. The right and wrong of the actions of nations. A bit of nonsense and the exploits of a mythical sports car punctuate the more dramatic concerns. The matter of chocolate and its place in life arrive from the whole cloth of the imaginations of our correspondents. People here are challenging each other's consciences, intellects, talents, motives and dispositions. There is also a certain amount of horse play of a good natured sort.

The closest thing to nothing I have seen in the forum is the poor spirited exit of a disappointed observer. What the disappointment is remains unclear. Perhaps we have not done just the right thing. We may not have provided enough substance for scholarly involvement, but the Notebook mission is not so confining as to keep us exclusively academic. Since our plaintiff has left the building, I don't suppose we can adress his concerns with him, but if he takes a parting look back, he will see that we are sorry he has chosen to leave.


The Old Man Tue Sep 14 19:27:07 PDT 1999

Greetings and felicitations,

It is not in my nature to discuss politics, but for the sake of the younger members, I shall break my rule.

The government that we in America share has many problems, BUT, and this is a big is the best form of government that man has yet concieved on this planet.
The reason for this is that any form other than democracy is achievable.
Communism is, in fact attainable. The problem with it is that it invites corruption...always.
Democracy is not something that this country has attained, in point of fact, it NEVER will. This is what keeps us going. This is what keeps us fresh. This is what separates our form of government from the rest.
We make mistakes along the way. Usually, we learn from them. Sometimes, we do not. Give us time, we will get better.

I agree that the recent events in Colorado are the result of too much freedom. The way to repair the defect in our form of government is to allow the people of this country to vote on the issue. Should the majority of the population declare the second ammendment too lax, how many people do you know who would be be willing to comply?
For the goal of democracy,it should be taken as a given that what the majority says goes. But it doesn't yet.

We shall keep climbing the hill toward an un-achievable goal while others rest at the top of their respective hills.


Allein Tue Sep 14 18:07:54 PDT 1999

Jerry - I know that Vietnam was not the only tragic war because all wars are tragic. I know what happened in both world wars, but Vietnam is the one I know most about - and I believe the two cases I stated happened in the sixties at least, that's what they say in my history textbook.
I still think we should have let Vietnam alone though. The Atlantic Charter written after WWII, clearly stated that there should be no colonization. Then in comes France and they say that they want Vietnam as a colony. Vietnam brings up what was written in the Atlantic Charter and the United Nations just ignores them. Then when the Vietnamese fought for their freedom, the Americans came in and started killing innocent people. I believe there was another struggle like this - it was called the American Revolution! America should have understood where Vietnam was coming from since we've been there. We thought communism was evil but it isn't. Communism doesn't work because there's no way that things will be shared and money will be spread equally, but it certainly isn't evil. Anyway, that's my two cents worth.

Martin - I know that soldiers have to do what they're told, and so, I'm not saying they are bad. The government is bad for telling the soldiers to kill innocent people. In fact, the American gov. is downright hypocratic. They say we have all these different freedoms - like freedom of the press and speech, but then censorship enters the picture - isn't that like saying we can't print what we want or say what we want. If the United States were really free, we'd have all the freedoms outlined in the Bill of Rights without any limitations (except perhaps the one about owning firearms, since that would include semi-automatic weapons which are usually used to kill people).

Rachel - feel better soon! :)


Martin Tue Sep 14 16:17:34 PDT 1999


Isn’t it comfortable to sit in front of the TV watching a war and believing what you see, eat choclat whatever and feel really sorry for the two cases you have stated?

Now put the choclat away.

Omaha beach. The first wave. Three thousand mariners jump into the water ready to fight. As they actually reach the beach maybe a hundred are left over.

Can you imagine that picture? I am working on it around twenty years and still do not get it.

I really recommend to do some reading on the subject of the soldier. Of course it is not as pleasant as eating choclat, but at the end you may have learned something.


Jerry Ericsson Tue Sep 14 13:10:25 PDT 1999


Horriable things happen in war, don't just make refference to what happened in Nam. Look at what happened to innocents in both world wars.

I was there in '70 - 71, and I know that at that time there were no villages bombed just because there might be one VC there, it that were the case there would have been NO villages left in the entire nation. - yes there were villages burned, but almost every time the people were "relocated" first, and while I now that too is wrong, it was the policy set down by the White House at that time.

Just remember in every conflict it is not just the warriors that are injured, and in any civil war, there are horriable things done on both sides.

Viet Nam was a civil war, and I can assure you that many MANY more civilians were killed and butchered by the VC and the NVA then were ever injured by any of our forces.

Yes our goverenment does make mistakes, but in my humble opnion, it is the greatest goverenment that has ever existed on this earth.

Look what has happened in schools most recently, I am speaking of course of Littleton Co. The murders their plied their horror because they had TOO MUCH freedom, not becaused they were oppressed. The simple reason that you must reach the age of majority before the bill of rights applies to you is that only those who have the maturity to properly use the rights can possess them.

You should take a trip to some nation which is not so free as ours and speak with thier citizens, most would give their right arm to be in your possition.

Maybe you have chosen the proper name after all.


Katarina Tue Sep 14 11:31:58 PDT 1999

Hi everyone. Sorry I have been away for so long. Took a couple of vacation days around Labor Day and then work got really busy and I haven't been feeling well lately

What's up with this Weston thing? If he thinks the Notebook is idle chat, he should check out some other chat groups! I felt like I had struck gold when I found you guys! Weston, you will return, believe me!

A friend at work lent me "Hannibal" to read. I am just at the end of it and can't put it down! I am big into reading drama and suspense, but that is not what I like to write.

Rachel - How are you? Rhoda? How are the kiddies enjoying school? My four year old started back last Wed. and he is in heaven!

Have a great day!


Americo Tue Sep 14 10:43:52 PDT 1999

Allein: it's a good thing to regret the past but it is even better not to do the same errors/crimes in the present and the future. Let us join hands now and do whatever we can to improve our own country's ways and help those in need. I think a single person can do a lot for his/her own country and even for humanity. Ghandy was a good example, and so was Mandela, and so... well, I am too sad to mention the names of today's heroes.

Thanks for your e-mail and let us try to do that chapter.

"S"-people. Rachel and I are actively working on "S". I thought that it was a good idea to suggest to the co-authors that wish to change the names of their characters (and therefore of themselves as co-authors) to do it as soon as possible. Allein will be Aline and Rachel Emma. I am thinking of a name for my own character. That will give a more fictional atmosphere to the novel.

Rhoda Tue Sep 14 10:04:51 PDT 1999


I sensed your frustration and some disappointment in your post. I really am sorry you feel the way you do and I hate to see you go. It is true that time is a precious commodity. Frankly for me, this writing business is lonely. I live in a community with lovely people, but have not discovered anyone yet with whom I can share my love of writing. Not only do I have an interest in writing, but I have interests in what is going on in the world around me. Here on the Notebook, I find people who share all those things.

For awhile I belonged to a writer's club in Farmington, where I used to live. In this group I made many close and dear friends, all of whom I miss terribly. We discussed agents, writing, publishers, the market, and our writing routeins. We also discussed politics, religion and philosophy at times. Most writers I have met are intelligent, passionate, and deep-thinking people. That is where their inspiration to write comes from.

So while I agree, Weston, that this forum is a bit short on the topic of writing, I do conclude that there are people here I have been privledged to know. And speaking of writing, there was a lot of writing going on in the production of "Shadows." There were those of us who did not merely speak of the practice, we did it.

I do wish you well, Weston. I hope you find other sources on the Web that inspire, inform and support you in your writing endeavors. I urge you to every so often, look in on us and lurk. You might find that in a month or so, the direction of our discussions and some of the contributers might have changed. That is often the way it goes with the Notebook.


When one joyrides around at high speeds in a Porche eating chocolate at the same time, one must expect to pay the consequences. Seriously, I hope you feel much better soon. There is nothing worse than feeling sick when there are children to ferry off to school or to various activities. Just get plenty of rest and take it easy.

Happy Writing!


Rachel Tue Sep 14 07:02:45 PDT 1999

Hi all

Allein - I have an e-mail in progress that I'm working on for you (smiles) I really needed the hugs. I am SICK! I hate being sick, I have not time for it!

Weston - Take care and I wish you all the best.

Americo - Hi you.

Take care all

Allein Tue Sep 14 06:14:01 PDT 1999

Martin - you have good reason to be angry at the American government. Not only did we participate in genocide in Guatamala (and other Latin-American nations) but also in other wars. Countless villiages in Vietnam were bombed with napalm because they were sure ONE person was a vietcong, so they had to kill them all. The saddest picture I've ever seen is the one of that little Vietnamese girl running naked down the street screaming as napalm burned her skin. One picture I saw was of a baby boy (no older than two) in his mother's arms and it looks like his clothes are burned and falling off - but it is his skin. I'm very ashamed that my government would do something like this. I would write here all that I've learned about Vietnam in history, but I have limited time 'cause I need to get to school. :)

Rachel - drop me a message soon. (((BIG HUGS)))

Americo Tue Sep 14 05:24:50 PDT 1999

Weston, you wrote: "Time for me has become limited" (etc.) Sep 13.

This page has been passionately loved by many people, who have written here interesting things about really serious matter, like human rights, the role of the writer in society, democracy, the tragedy in East Timor — the stuff real literature is made of. I love this page and admire everyone who has contributed to make of it a forum for free debate on life and literature. Your post is unjust to them all and unfair to this page. It also reveals contempt for its three-year history, during which time all kinds of things have been discussed here. If you doubt consult its archives.

If you think that any of the topics I mentioned is "writing a lot about mostly nothing", I strongly disagree with you. I defend that the real writer must intervene in all human affairs and show his/her indignation towards injustice and his/her solidarity towards those who suffer. This is the real stuff and the main concerns of the real writer.

Your post suggests that your idea of literature is different from mine. That is interesting and worthy of a good debate, but I suspect that the "real writing" you refer to is just a poor excuse for not saying openly that you are displeased with my recent posts about the immense tragedy of East Timor. What is for you "real writing" ? And where is yours?

There is something deeply false in the ambiguity and vagueness of your message. Cannot you be more specif about the target of your criticism? I am a man of good-will and prepared to debate all kinds of topics. On one condition: that my antagonist does not support, directly or indirectly, by words, acts or indifference, criminal ideas, like genocide or nazism. I want to believe that you are not one of these.

In the meantime, farewell indeed.

Martin Tue Sep 14 03:29:23 PDT 1999

yesterday I (a friend) went to Modena to the presentation of a book on the genocide in Guatemala. Not many people know about this: it was carried out for 30 years by the army with the support of the American government and the CIA.

My dear friends is this a fact?

Do I have a reason to be angry with the american gouvernment?

Weston Mon Sep 13 18:13:29 PDT 1999

Things change. Time for me has become limited. I am sorry that I have not been able to keep up with the custom here of writing a lot about mostly nothing. What little time I have must be devoted to real writing.


Allein Mon Sep 13 17:04:24 PDT 1999

Americo - I agree with you 100%. :) The military should not rule a country - the people should. Even in America they tell us that the people run the the country because we are democratic, but this is not so. The government controls most everything. Supposedly, the Bill of Rights doesn't even apply to you if you're under 18 and they don't apply in public schools regardless. People should be free! I sincerely hope the terrors in East Timor cease very soon.

Americo Mon Sep 13 16:41:56 PDT 1999

For the first time in History humanitarianism became transnational. It just needs something crucial at this tragic but hopeful moment: let it become concrete and QUICK!
Thank you Australia, Canada, all the countries near Indonesia, thank you world. We will overcome. We will be there soon, Timorese brothers and sisters. We are with you at every moment of the day and night.

And the criminals will be led to an ad hoc tribunal which is already been thought and prepared to punish the murderers. Oh yes, Sir! Do not doubt about that! That is also a sacred cause: punish the murderers. You will not remain impune.

For the moment, however, just a word of hope for you, Timorese brethren. We will be there VERY SOON.


Américo Guerreiro de Sousa

Americo Mon Sep 13 06:48:37 PDT 1999

Good morning, everybody!

People are being killed in East Timor with even more hatred than before. The Indonesian Army and its militias are decided to finish the genocide before any international forces can witness it.

Australia: do not wait a second more. Do not wait for the United Nations bureaucrats to waste even more time with the ruses of Ali Alatas. We know what a hypocritical man he is. PLEASE ACT IMMEDIATELLY! There are reports that the Indonesians are putting Timorese in ships and drowning them. This is yet to be confirmed but we know for sure that the attacks on innocent people are going on at this very moment and the people hidden in the mountains are at their physical limit. They have no food, no water and little hope.

Indonesia has not any right to be in East Timor. That country is still under Portuguese jurisdiction. I am sorry Portugal is so far and the Portuguese government is complete shit as far as taking concrete and quick decisions are concerned. ACT NOW!!!

I am also asking the good-intentioned Indonesians to strongly protest against the crimes of their Army and the hypocrisy of their politicians. The Indonesian people is not guilty. It's just their bloody military and their hypocritical politicians. INDONESIANS, DO NOT LET THE MILITARY RULE YOUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Allein Mon Sep 13 06:23:35 PDT 1999

Now...onto the funnies...

Here it is, the secret chart used by bachelors worldwide, because they don't have wives who can recognize on sight (and sometimes before) when the Big Mac has become one with the special sauce.

ICE CREAM - If you can't tell the difference between your ice cubes and your ice cream, it's time to throw BOTH out.

FROZEN FOODS - Frozen foods that have become an integral part of the defrosting problem in your freezer compartment will probably be spoiled (or wrecked anyway) by the time you pry them out witha kitchen knife.

EGGS - When something starts pecking its way out of the shell, the egg is probably past its prime.

DAIRY PRODUCTS - Milk is spoiled when it starts to look like
yogurt. Yogurt is spoiled when it starts to look like cottage cheese. Cottage cheese is spoiled when it starts to look like regular cheese. Regular cheese is nothing but spoiled milk anyway -- if you can dig down and still find something non-green, bonappetite!

MEAT - If opening the refrigerator door causes stray animals from a three-block radius to congregate outside your house, toss the meat.

UNMARKED ITEMS: You know it is well beyond prime when you're
tempted to discard the Tupperware along with the food. EMPTY

GENERAL RULE OF THUMB: - Most food cannot be kept longer than the average life span of a hamster. Keep a hamster in your refrigerator to gauge this.

CANNED GOODS - Any canned goods that have become the size or
shape of a softball should be disposed of ... Very carefully.

POTATOES - Fresh potatoes do not have roots, branches, or dense,leafy undergrowth.

THE GAG TEST - Anything that makes you gag is spoiled (except for leftovers from what you cooked for yourself last night).

BREAD: Sesame seeds and Poppy seeds are the only officially
acceptable "spots" that should be seen on the surface of any loaf of bread. Fuzzy and hairy looking white or green growth areas are good indications that your bread has turned into a pharmaceutical laboratory experiment. You may wish to discard it at this time, depending on your interest in pharmaceuticals.

CEREAL: It is generally a good rule of thumb that cereal should be discarded when it is two years or longer beyond the expiration date, or when it will no longer fall out of the box by itself.

FLOUR: Flour is spoiled when it wiggles, or things fly out whenyou open it.

PRETZELS: Normally eternal, pretzels may be discarded if they can no longer be picked up without falling apart. Otherwise, there's nothing to stop you from eating a pretzel that the Pharaoh put down only 4000 years ago.

RAISINS: Raisins should not usually be harder than your teeth.

SALT: It never spoils. However, if you can't chip off reasonable amounts from the block, maybe another box is in order, as fresh salt usually pours.

SPICES: Most spices cannot die, they just fade away. They will be fine on your shelf, forever. Put them in your will.

VINEGAR: If your grandmother made it, it is probably still good.

EXPIRATION DATES: This is not a marketing ploy to encourage you to throw away perfectly good food so that you'll spend more on groceries. Even dry foods older than you are may be ready to replace. Perhaps you'd benefit by having a calendar in your kitchen.

Allein Sun Sep 12 11:39:36 PDT 1999

Americo, Rachel - I finished that edit of Shadows and it is coming your way. :)

Americo Sun Sep 12 11:03:41 PDT 1999

Indonesian President Habibe has finally yielded to international pressure. An international peace keeping force has no more excuses not to disembark in Timor Loro Sae.

Let us hope the United Nations act quickly. Habibe has many political enemies in the army. They are ready to complete the genocide begun 24 years ago and, in a most evident way, after the referendum of the 30th August 99. The situation is still tragic and can only be solved with firm determination. The criminals are more blood thirsty and desperate than ever.

Anyway, it seems that the good-will people of this world have won a second battle. The first was the referendum itself. The third will be the judgement of the criminals and the reconstruction of East Timor.
Gary, you said: "I'm afraid I don't do well in my own genre. I might do quite well, but I'm just afraid."

Each writer knows that sort of panic. The only way to appease it is to write and see. Your humor is unique. Not exactly Grouxo Marx's. It is... Garyish. And that is a good sign, a sign of originality — originality : a broad topic for discussion here.

Why don't you revise the plot of your play? The physical solution you proposed to dissolve the drama into comedy and therefore smile to tragedy with half a face is not, in my humble opinion, a good solution. But it can provide a scene, an episode. I got the impression that, as a writer, you have a bag of tears hidden in your heart, ready to come out but ashamed to do so. The solution? Not a burlesque but a stoic approach to reality. Just a suggestion among many other possible ones of course.

Rachel Sun Sep 12 09:59:42 PDT 1999

Hi all

Larry - I didn't get bored, its a great story and I like it. I have just been busy. I've been working on Shadows and it can be a little time consuming. Sorry. I will get back to you. I may be slow at returning e-mail from time to time, but I do return it. Well, okay, I might have lost track of one or two, but I hadn't lost track of you.
Take care you

Americo - I am feeling refreshed and ready to go at shadows full ahead.

Allein - C'mon you! I know you can get this in. It would be great if Americo and I could get a look at the first edit all nice and organized (smiles). Still I do agree with your parents. Hope you had fun with Aaron last night.

Take care all

Martin http// Sun Sep 12 02:12:46 PDT 1999

There were no heros sitting in the landing-crafts, just frozen through, seasick and scared human beings.

Cornelius Ryan; The Longest Day

Larry Edwardts Sat Sep 11 22:55:56 PDT 1999

Hello Everyone!
Business first

To Avatar:
Are you referring to a floppy? There should be little incompatibility between any version of Windows. However, Hard drives with WIN 98 can be formatted to use 32 bit, whereas hard drives formatted with Win 3.0 (DOS 6.2+) are probably 16 bit. There are various file systems: NTFS (win NT), Fat16 (Win 3.0 above), Fat32 (Win95 above). Usually a floppy can always be read because the file system is usually standard during a format (not always true but mostly true). There are several utilities that allow conversion.

To Martin:
How have you been? You said you were/are a soldier? What army/militia? Or would you have to kill me if I knew that? Hee Hee!

To Rachael:
I guess you got bored. Sorry about that. Did you get my response to my email about how long in foster care?
It is hard to start writting again after a ten year failure. I am taking a correspondence course. I will probably write a more commercial novel, use the money to self-publish my first novel and say screw the agents. Guilty of pandering as charged.
I haven't written in this notebook for a while. I felt a little left out with this Shadows thing everyone contributed into. It sounded so good. And I was a little to late to contribute anything worthwhile.

Well see ya guys later.

BTW Avatar, use my email address and send me any questions. I will try to help.

Gariess Sat Sep 11 21:15:11 PDT 1999


I checked on those round robins you mentioned and I agree that they are nicely written. Like you, I'm afraid I don't do well in those genres. I'm afraid I don't do well in my own genre. I might do quite well, but I'm just afraid. Very fearful. Last night I shot an elephant in my genre. What he was doing in my genre, I have no idea. Say the secret word and a duck will be divided between you. I was a big Groucho fan. Stars needed fans in those days, the air conditioning was terrible.

You'll have to forgive me. I'm writing this post in a moving Porsche. Hayden is driving wery fast and he's on the wrong side of the road. Luckily, the drivers going the other way are also on the wrong side.

We were supposed to go out and impress ladies, so far Hayden has impressed two... with the fenders. He also hit a kangaroo in his pajamas. What he was doing in his pajamas, I have no idea. Kangaroos are odd looking enough without pajamas. Hayden, on the other hand, looks about the same with or without pajamas.

I say, old fellow, have you noticed this steering wheel is all wrong? The gear shift is at your left hand. Don't suppose you'd care to slow down a bit? Those utility poles are starting to look like a picket fence. Blast, man! That was my new hat out the window. What do you mean the windows are up? How can they be up?

Very fearful,


Avatar Sat Sep 11 12:28:49 PDT 1999


I am now completely and utterly at the mercy of these *^*%&*^computers!

I put my Shadows contributions into a disk with the format for Windows 98. The one at home (and hope to be working on) is a 3.0. OH WHERE OH WHERE HAS MY SANITY GONE?

Help from others would be nice. I heard something about being able to change the setting from Win something to Win something else because they both are made by the same company.

Am I making any sense?

Americo- Mortal? What's a mortal? ;) Just kidding. Will do oh master of the ceremonies (if I could just figure out the answer to this rat-brained problem! My dad could help me, he's an accountant in training, but does work on computers. Unfortunately, he's not going to be home for a little while (try around mid-night tonight!) so(gulp) I'm on my own)

Allein- Or was it Alline? 'M sorry about the spelling. Digimon was on Saturday mornings last time I saw with about every other cartoon on the face of the planet. Where I live, mountain time, it's on the Fox Channel. Don't know what else to say.

Okay, I'm off again. Will be back (hopefully) next saturday or a little later today.

Digimon digivolve into about every digithing on the face of their digiplanet. Wonder if they'd digivolve into digidinner?

Be back soon
Later all

Martin http// Sat Sep 11 11:39:31 PDT 1999

Soldier at war

58 172 German sons perished

15 353 American sons perished

36 613 British sons perished

5 007 Canadian sons perished

650 Polan sons perished in

The Normandie

All this to give my minde the freedom back it so desperatly needs.

My grandfather perished in Stalingrad. Two of his brethren froze to death in the Gulag. Two of his sons, my mothers brethren, perished in Germany. One four days before the war in Europe was ended.

Don’t you know that the question if a war is good or bad is deadly wrong?
Don’t you know if someone is pointing a gun at your head cocking the trigger you are the first one who shoots back, without asking if it is good or bad?

I am not a politician and I know nothing about politics in war. But I am a soldier and have studied the cause of the soldier in war very prfoundly.

I honor every single soldier who ever lost his innocence, his minde or his life in a war. Be it the Trojan, Waterloo, Normandie or Viet Nam.

El lobo solitario

Americo Sat Sep 11 10:44:16 PDT 1999

Rachel: "Shadows" lost? Never. I am just trying to solve an incompatibility between Microsoft and Netscape. Otherwise we would already have a nice first version of the novel. "Shadows" is an important challenge for me and probably for all its co-authors. It will be done.

Allein: I will always support you, your parents and "Shadows" (by this order). Do not get stressed but well, a bit of stress sometimes helps. Send your material as soon as you can. You may eat a chocolate afterwards...

Xavier: I am sorry but I must give you a deadline. How about... well, get in touch and we will settle the deadline for you to send ALL your material for Shadows according to your possibilities. You must be a co-author as well, friend. Three days for a little e-mail?

Rhoda Fri Sep 10 22:14:18 PDT 1999

I was wondering if anyone is still interested in using the Notebook Chat? I tried it just for fun and have found that it still works. I will log on to the chat tomorrow (Saturday) at 1:00 pm CDT. That would be 11:00 am pacific time, 12:00 pm eastern and I believe 9:00 pm GMT.

Well, I need to work on my poor neglected web-site. I will post the location again just as soon as it meets my specifications.

Happy Writing!


Rachel Fri Sep 10 22:10:18 PDT 1999

Allein - Hi you. I have a million excuses but I won't bore yah with them (smiles). I will get off an e-mail to you tomorrow morning. If you need some help with Shadows just let me know. Oh, and be sure to send your work off in the two directions we need to make sure that not all is lost (right Americo)? I hope you have a lovely weekend and if you got to Starbucks have a frap for me!

Gary - Soooooo, where is the story (smiles).

Americo - I do accept and appreciate your thanks.

Take care all

Allein Fri Sep 10 21:21:02 PDT 1999

Americo - I will work a bit more on Shadows this weekend after I do my homework and chores (my parents know that this project is very important to me but have made it very clear that school work and household chores come first). I hope to have the edited copy to you Sunday night and something about the Mask very soon.

Rachel - Still no e-mail. :( Well, I'm sure you're busy. Write me soon though, K?

Rachel Fri Sep 10 19:02:13 PDT 1999

Americo - (I send you a big hug) Guess, if your not able to talk to your other computer I'll need to wait to hear back on the e-mail that I sent to you (grins). Have a nice weekend.
Take care you

Shadows people - When you send off your work to Americo, be sure to fire off a copy to me as well so that in the event of computer problems for Americo we will still have the texts and not need to ask for them again. Thanks for the co-operation (big smiles)

XAVIER!!!!!! Where are you!!!!!! Where, oh where, oh where are you?

EVERYONE - Have a great weekend.

Americo Fri Sep 10 18:18:50 PDT 1999

Good evening, everybody!

Today we received in Lisbon the bishop of Timor, Dão Ximenes Belo. It was very moving: thousands and thousands of people chanting songs of peace and showering him, "this poor man", as he called himself in a simple but extremely moving speech, with white petals of flowers. I cried of course, everybody cried in Portugal. I am proud I did cry. Democracy can be so beautiful!

Allein: have you finished your edit and the masquerade scene? Send them, please.

Sqrl and Avatar: how about a re-write of your beautiful texts in order to make them just a bit more understandable to us, poor mortals? Do not forget to write something about the tea ceremony, the karaoke and the mask ball. I think you did not pay enough attention to those scenes. Avatar's epilogue is quite interesting.

Where are you, Xavier? I would like that you would become a co-author as well.

Gary and Hayden: there are two very interesting round robins going in the workbook. "Them Bones" and "Darkness Descends". I read them and found them very well written. It is a pity they are not in my line of writing, but they deserve your attention.

NB: Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have two accounts in Messenger (Netscape Communicator) simultaneously, as it is in Outlook Express? You see, I use a second computer in another house and I communicate between my two computers through e-mail. I use a second login just for this purpose (usually just to send files from one to the other). I cannot figure out how to do this with Messenger.

Martin Fri Sep 10 14:31:49 PDT 1999

Ha, ha, ha

And you already thought that I am gone.
Nice trick isn’t it?
But I am a fair guy and offer you a once in a liftime bargain. If you change your name to mister narrow minded I will leave the notebook.

The people who live in the ‘House of the rising sun’ have five millenniums of great and respectful history. (It depens on what day you date the dawning of the men.)

I still stand up to what I said. If you would care halfe about the Rusian people, who have five century of great and respectful suffering, as you care about the Timor people you can count me in as an evergreen.

.... for I keep on wondering who is relaying on CNN and who is not ....

I make a joke and Americo shoots at me, it was at least a peace maker, for I still can see the hole in the wall, and suddenly two men are at war. Isn’t that quite funny? Can anyone tell me where I can join the battle? If I am supposed to be in it, I have to marche - I guess?

Justice? Plese explain to me.

Swiss gouvernement just has decided to put me to jail for three days. Americo would you please sent the great Portugal army over here to free me.

Every day has twenty-four hours, except for one...

... It was June 6th 1944.

I know it was your son but believe me he fought for what he knew was right and I will always honor his intention.

Are we, is the notebook, I am free yet?

El lobo solitario

Americo Fri Sep 10 11:06:00 PDT 1999


You said —

"On East Timor, I include myself with Americo in my sadness and hopes that peace keepers can be pushed in to squash the actions of both the Indonesians and the Militia."

I thank you very much indeed. Come back home quickly. We need you here as an intelligent and kind "peace keeping force"...

I also thank all the other writers who have shown their concern for the genocide of the people of Timor Loro Sae. The cause is far from won but justice will prevail. "We shall overcome", as Juan Baez used to sing in times not easier that today.

I hope my messages on the subject have helped everyone think a little about human rights, freedom, democracy, the value of human life and the role of the writer in society. That is my only purpose, not to offend anyone. And I will go on with my messages. Till good prevails over evil. And till Timor Loro Sae can live in freedom, independence and happiness. The Portuguese also commited grave faults in the past, and that's why we are crying louder than any other nation. We learned, in five centuries of colonization of other peoples, that causing suffer to others will ultimately cause suffer to us. And we are doing everything we can to correct the errors of the past. Please help us in our wish to be better and to help our brethren. We do not want American missiles. We demand the World support for a just cause — the cause of Democracy, no less.
And now I am going to read a book on how to become a millionaire so that I can buy one of those fascinating cars you have been talking about. My preference still goes to the old Mercedes. A white coupe with brown leather seats... That's my dream. A futile dream but a dream — therefore a good thing. I wonder if we have here good roads for such a car... Do you think that a helicopter would be a better idea than a Mercedes?
If I had a helicopter I would bombard some people I know in Jakarta!
(This sentence is not very Christian, but what I wrote is written. I am no saint, you know?)

Rachel Fri Sep 10 07:22:58 PDT 1999

Hi all

Gary - I would love the whole Baker piece (big smiles and hugs back at yah)!
Allein - Will drop you a note
Hayden - I, well, about the crash, I mean the dent. I am sending over an excellent cyber mechanic and by the time you see the car again all traces of my adventures should be gone. I have also seen to a complete interior detailing and washed it myself. The car will be in top shape when you and Gary head out for your tour (grins). Oh, and I'll be glad to have a word with you any time.
Take care all

Allein Fri Sep 10 06:39:11 PDT 1999

Rachel - you can send your e-mail to my hotmail address now, it's finally working.



1. Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.
2. One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
3. One nice thing about egotists: They don't talk about other people.
4. To be intoxicated is to feel sophisticated but not be able to say it.
5. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
6. The older you get, the better you realise you were.
7. I doubt, therefore I might be.
8. Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.
9. Procrastination is the art of keeping up with yesterday.
10. Women like silent men, they think they're listening.
11. Men are from earth. Women are from earth. Deal with it.
12. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and
will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
13. A fool and his money are soon partying.
14. Do paediatricians play miniature golf on Wednesdays?
15. Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to?
16. Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery.
17. If all the world is a stage, where is the audience sitting?
18. If God dropped acid, would he see people?
19. If one synchronised swimmer drowns, do the rest have to drown too?
20. If the #2 pencil is the most popular, why is it still #2?
21. If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it?
22. If you're born again, do you have two bellybuttons?
23. If you ate pasta and antipasta, would you still be hungry?
24. If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?
25. Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them?

Jack Beslanwitch Fri Sep 10 04:18:23 PDT 1999

Hello everyone from the beautiful and bawmy climes of Cairns. It is absolutely gorgeous here. On East Timor, I include myself with Americo in my sadness and hopes that peace keepers can be pushed in to squash the actions of both the Indonesians and the Militia. On another note, my password is not working for getting into the account where I maintain the Notebook, so things will continue growing until I can finally get home and read the ISP the riot act for blocking my password. Repeated emails to customer support have been unanswered and I do not wish to be on hold long distance from here in Australia. I did not have a local number for internet at Uluru-Kata Tjuta or as you might also know them Ayer's Rock and the Olgas. Well, now I am at Cairns and can be with you again. Tomorrow we go out to the Great Barrier Reef and will likely snorkel as well as travel all around. I will try to have pictures up on my Australia site. Right now, I have 1250 emails downloading on just one account. I suspect that things will be equally bad on other accounts. Talk with you soon.

gariess Thu Sep 9 23:38:24 PDT 1999

Hey you guys,

I like T.O.M.'s idea for a round robin. There was an on line round robin I joined a couple of years ago and it was quite fun. I

I also like Lydia's thoughts on Timor Loro Sae. It is disappointing to see people challenging the motives and reactions of others. I don't think a person should be held responsible for his governments position. If someone takes a passionate attitude toward injustice, he should not be upbraided because his country is not acting. Mine may not act but that doesn't discredit my feelings.

I believe we agree far more than we disagree on the plight of the East Timorese. I think some misunderstandings have arisen among us possibly because a posting board does not communicate a whole scope of human intention as well as a place where one can read the face of a person as well as hear the person's words. One's tone may be quite different from what we infer in our reading of a post. The posting board gives us the opportunity to speak without interruption which is a rare commodity in a discussion and a very useful one, but it does have limitations.

I also don't believe that as writers we have any greater scope in world affairs than accountants or fish packers. I don't mean that we are not more eloquent on average with a word processor but a factory worker who stands in front of a tank in Tianamen Square is more eloquent than I will be for any words I leave on this board.

So what do you say, Hayden, want to dance? Shall we take the Porsche out this weekend and impress the ladies? Maybe we can drag race a Stutz Bearcat. Those Bearcats could roll out on the long end quite well, heard of them doing in the 90's on a straight away, but a Porsche would be a cinch in a sprint. Probably hold the curves better too. Wouldn't it be fun to have a time machine with all our other toys? Damn, what's this stuff all over me, chocolate? What have you been doing in this thing?


Hayden Thu Sep 9 21:36:49 PDT 1999


You old dog! I just got this lampshade to fit perfectly
Grumble grumble.

But hey, let's do the touring thing in the porsche! Damn, those ladies will be impressed!

And you're right about writers not having the eloquence of a factory worker when it comes to actions. Oh to be that kind of person. Maybe in the porsche...


Gariess Thu Sep 9 21:18:34 PDT 1999

Just one more thing for today. I don't believe many of us here will take kindly to having Ted Turner thrown in our faces. However Mr. Turner and his enterprises are percieved here or abroad, I nor anyone else on this board is likely to accept any responsibility for them.

My own reaction to being told by someone from a distant shore that I do not care, is not benign. I could suggest that my cats know more about how I feel than someone does who is crying outrage from a tear-stained balcony. I could, that is, if I took a notion to, but that would violate my vow of non-provocation.

Hayden, we'll be needing that lampshade when you're through.

The old alligator


Rachel, I have the completed Jack Baker piece, if you want to see it. Hugs, dear one.

Allein Thu Sep 9 21:03:04 PDT 1999

Rachel - Hotmail is being retarded and won't let me into my account, so, when you answer the e-mail I sent you, please send it to my AOL address listed up nyah (above). Nyah is my brother's way of saying here, above, below...any word he doesn't want to say. Ex: "Me nyah, you nyah" Trans: "Me here, you there." This has been another useless fact. :)

gariess Thu Sep 9 20:38:25 PDT 1999

Hey you guys,

I like T.O.M.'s idea for a round robin. There was an on line round robin I joined a couple of years ago and it was quite fun. I

I also like Lydia's thoughts on Timor Loro Sae. It is disappointing to see people challenging the motives and reactions of others. I don't think a person should be held responsible for his governments position. If someone takes a passionate attitude toward injustice, he should not be upbraided because his country is not acting. Mine may not act but that doesn't discredit my feelings.

I believe we agree far more than we disagree on the plight of the East Timorese. I think some misunderstandings have arisen among us possibly because a posting board does not communicate a whole scope of human intention as well as a place where one can read the face of a person as well as hear the person's words. One's tone may be quite different from what we infer in our reading of a post. The posting board gives us the opportunity to speak without interruption which is a rare commodity in a discussion and a very useful one, but it does have limitations.

I also don't believe that as writers we have any greater scope in world affairs than accountants or fish packers. I don't mean that we are not more eloquent on average with a word processor but a factory worker who stands in front of a tank in Tianamen Square is more eloquent than I will be for any words I leave on this board.

So what do you say, Hayden, want to dance? Shall we take the Porsche out this weekend and impress the ladies? Maybe we can drag race a Stutz Bearcat. Those Bearcats could roll out on the long end quite well, heard of them doing in the 90's on a straight away, but a Porsche would be a cinch in a sprint. Probably hold the curves better too. Wouldn't it be fun to have a time machine with all our other toys? Damn, what's this stuff all over me, chocolate? What have you been doing in this thing?


Allein Thu Sep 9 19:25:58 PDT 1999

Sorry, I meant to write "without the USA poking their nose in it"

Allein Thu Sep 9 19:25:19 PDT 1999

Americo - I have to agree with you. I also think that the USA should not get involved - we always end up making things ten times worse. Like the Vietnam war - we bombed civilians, which was VERY wrong. It was Vietnam's business what they wanted to do with their country. We should not have gotten invloved. I feel the same way about Timor - they have enough problems with the USA poking their nose into it.

Hayden Thu Sep 9 19:09:24 PDT 1999


Go slowly amidst the haste, please. Consider your own wisdom and please don't plead a case that needs no pleading here. We mourn for those in Timor, as we did for those in Kosovo and Croatia and in Iraq and in Korea and all the other places where one side of the population attacked another part. There is no need to reproach us--we support you.

Not knowing the intimate facts doesn't mean we don't understand what is happening, nor that we are doing nothing. You see only the words on the screen, not the actions that we take: the morning vigils outside the Indonesian embassy and the petitions we are signing in our Capital city.

If you must burn with fire, do so freely, but where it will warm those who need the support. Your fire should be placed where it will do good, rather than burn those who feel as you do.


And having said that, let me tell you that I will not scorch those who left chocolate stains on my back seat, but I might have a word or two to the driver.

Americo Thu Sep 9 18:36:06 PDT 1999

Thu Sep 9 18:33:44 PDT 1999

T.O.M : You are right about "S" being different from a "round robin". When I launched it I called it a "flat robin". It worked nicely as a collaborative work. And it might even become an interesting book if I wanted very much and was generous enough to re-write it from scratch. Unfortunately I am very tired and really depressed. Thanks anyway for your contribution to a very much needed discussion on collaborative writing. You were the first to add your "two cents" to this topic.

PS. Today they killed the father of Xanana Gusmão, the leader of the Timorese Resistance for many years and the new Mandela. His father was 82.

People: please do not make any comments about East Timor, unless you know what you are talking about. Speak about the growing teeth of your lovely babies and even of how wonderful the USA is, always was and will ever be and how the saints are all marshing on towards a well-deserved heaven because they prayed a lot and gave soup to the poor. But speak only about what you know. Please! Please! Please!

For the record: I sincerely hope that the USA does not get involved in this affair. It was enough to have given green light to Suharto (who else?) to invade East Timor in 1975. The invasion took place immediately after Gerald Ford (I think it was that one) visited his dear friend in Indonesia for talks about the affair. This is History, not speculation. But you see: it was a long time ago and there is no blood that cannot be washed with a few bucks... Your hands are clean. Immaculate. Immaculately clean.

What Timor Loro Sae is demanding and Portugal is supporting with all its heart is that the UNITED NATIONS force Indonesia to honor the agreement it signed on the 5th May 99, according to which it would respect the results of the referendum of the Timorese. They massively voted in favor of Independence. And now they are being killled.

PS. Tomorrow the representatives of the UNITED NATIONS will go away. Journalists have already being forced to go away. The bishop of Timor and Nobel Prize for Peace had to leave as well, after seeing with his own eyes people being murdered in his own residence. He will be received with the utmosy respect in Lisbon tomorrow at noon. He is a man. Maybe Ted Turner will show some pictures of the event if the show will give him some more bucks. All kinds of values, including one that you, writers, should praise and defend — freedom of witnessing to have the freedom to write — are being disregarded and despised. Why should you care?

Allein Thu Sep 9 17:12:50 PDT 1999

And now, by popular demand (Gariess) ALLEIN'S FUNNIES!! :D


~ For every action, there is an equal and opposite malfunction.

~ To err is human... to blame your computer for your mistakes is
even more human; in fact it is downright natural.

~ He who laughs last probably made a back-up.

~ If at first you don't succeed, blame your computer.

~ A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have
evolved from a simpler system that worked just fine.

~ The number one cause of computer problems is computer solutions.

~ A computer program will always do what you tell it to do, but
rarely what you want it to do.

~ When computing, whatever happens, behave as though you meant
it to happen.

~ When you get to the point where you really understand your
computer, it's probably obsolete.

~ The first place to look for information is in the section of
the manual where you least expect to find it.

~ When the going gets tough, upgrade.

~ When you need to send an email quick, that's when the modem
won't connect!

Allein Thu Sep 9 16:59:38 PDT 1999

Hayden - oh no! You found my chocolate stains. Darn! As for the smiley face - guilty as charged. But don't blame me for the dents - Rachel was the one driving!

Thu Sep 9 16:20:01 PDT 1999

Lydia, Americo, and for that matter everyone else.

It's rare that poignancy enters the fray when countries are screaming at each other about helping and not helping. But I must admit the postings you two put forward really hit the spot. The idea of the portugese hanging out white flags etc and Americo unable to find a white shirt was just one such poignant moment. Quite beautiful and visually moving. And Lydia's cry of "we're damned if we do and damned if we don't" from the heart of the American people is itself a wake up to us removed from the action, as it were. Gariess has, in private posts to me, worded his own opinion in a similar vein, showing that the government meander when the public know the way. He hasn't said as such, but in my reading of it I see that the government doesn't learn the right lessons, only the ones that get them voted into office: be that the altering of the history books or the stifling of the press or (let me add) the manipulation of the judicial system so they can get away with anything to do with White House interns.

Australia and New Zealand have offered, repeatedly, to send in peace keeping forces to assist in the re-establishment of "normality" in Timor. Indonesia has made it quite clear that they are not going to let that happen. For either country (Aus or NZ) to do anything else other that accede to their wishes, will be to perform an act of war, whether the peace keepers are armed or unarmed.

Already there have been incidences which show that the Timorese militia and some of the Indonesian forces are seeking out Australians to target. Mainly, I believe because we sent in peace keepers earlier to help in the election, which the militia tried to derail. Those peace keepers have left as soon as their job was done. To send them back in would be stupidly suicidal, unless the UN backs us up. And it seems as if they might...with changes happening overnight and them digging in for the long haul.

Let us see where it goes now.

For us on this forum to go logger heads at each other here on the notebook will only be destructive. Americo's quiet, yet passionate post and Lydia's equally moving remarks show that there are people close to us who "feel the humility of being human". This is the best way for us to rejoice in our need to rise up against the villian and it is what makes writers of us, rather than ranters. I applaud your sensibilities, and your sensitivities.

BUT, I'd also like to remark that my porsche has been dented and needs a damn good wash! And someone painted a smiley button on the back fender. So, Rachel, who were you joy riding with? Was it Rhoda, Gariess, Bob, Lydia, Allein, Americo, or ALL OF THEM AT ONCE? My Gosh, there even chocolate stains on the back seat!


PS The Bearcat is known and loved by my family. But being the black sheep, I want something with power, class, prestige. Maybe a Kenworth might be in order.

Rhoda Thu Sep 9 16:09:24 PDT 1999


Very well said. Thanks for the input.


The Old Man Thu Sep 9 15:34:24 PDT 1999

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Lydia is as thoughtful as she is eloquent.

On the subject of a new project; The Round Robin was a game played by families before the invention of television. The first player would start the game with a sentence, "It was a dark and stormy night..." and the next player in turn would add to what was already begun.
How about assigning numbers, and each player in turn adds no more than 1000 words. The next player will continue the story from that point. ...and so on...
The "Shadows" Round Robin game was a variation of the traditional rules to the game, and forgive me my meager input, but it seemed a bit disjointed because of it. It became a plethorah of stories instead of just one. (Although I still enjoyed it)

What do you think?


Lydia Sweet Thu Sep 9 13:20:59 PDT 1999


It would seem the "Excalibur" is an American car. I believe it was somewhere around 1920 or so that it was made. Originally it was called a Stutz-Bearcat? The above link will take you to a website that opens up to a lovely picture of the aforementioned vehicle. (Sigh!) Alas, my Excalibur is as real as Rachel's Porshe.

Someday, maybe.

I have refrained from commenting on politics, however I will say this and no more. I am human and I hurt anytime I hear of any form of injustice. My country will respond to a crisis, but it does so very slowly and with much thought because we are, more often than not, accused of interfering or throwing around American muscle. This country takes a beating for whatever it does or doesn't do and my people are cursed and degraded world-wide. I want very much to see the world, but I'm not too sure it wants to see me. Don't you think for every call to assist there is an opposite side that screams intimidator. Don't underestimate this country as simply a money hungry self motivated monster. People here care just as passionatley as you do, but it does little good to care only to have your compassion tossed back into your face time and time again. Even in Kosovo, "it's too little, too late". How about, "Thank God, it's finally over."
You send your sons and daughters to help strangers for awhile and when all is said and done, see how willingly you send them back again and again after you've been told all you do is interfere or make things worse, or you're no help now. We're still losing our own in hostile environments.

And quess what? If we are told to go again. You'll see us there despite our welcome. And we'll lay our lives down, again.


Americo Thu Sep 9 10:59:57 PDT 1999

Sorry. I forgot to sign the post below.

Thu Sep 9 10:57:39 PDT 1999

Allein (and all people to whom it may concern):

You are right: all new, corrected, ammended or edited texts for "Shadows" should NOT be posted in the Workbook. The round robin was finished on the 1st September. The space left there will be (PERHAPS) reserved for me to write the history of that project and take useful conclusions for future collective works. Your texts should be sent to me by e-mail.

However, as my e-mail application is not working properly and has been highly unreliable since Monday, after my computer suffered a severe crash, send a COPY of your texts to BOTH Rachel and me.
Incidentally, I would like to publicly thank Rachel for her wonderful job as co-editor. I hope she accepts taking charge of "Shadows" if and when I give up.
I am not happy with the first version of the book. To be publishable the book would need a complete re-write. The novel was supposed to be a study on the "cybernetic mind". It turned out to be a chaotic mixture of mainstream and fancy literature. A rather amateurish attempt.
This is natural. Only in rare cases does a book reach perfection on the first version. I have published six novels so far. Each of them needed, on average, five complete re-writes. And some scenes or passages needed much more than that.
I remember being quite distressed one night when I came to the conclusion that what I had thought should be the final version was not working at all. I went to bed and tried to sleep. But I could not sleep. I was feeling a failure, life had no more sense to me. I must have fallen asleep somehow because I remember having opened my eyes and seen the day light coming through the blinds of my bedroom. I took a shower and suddenly, while the water was falling on my tired shoulders, I had an idea for the book. A very simple idea. How about shifting the main tense of the narrative? I recommenced everything from scratch and it worked.
It is easier to write a single author book than a collaborative one. This if we want quality. "Shadows" is still far from the minimum quality required for a project to deserve the name of a novel. Who would collaborate if I asked? This is the problem. No one probably. And I am not feeling like asking too much these days.

PS. Portugal is very pretty today. Thousands and thousands of people hung a white piece of cloth from the windows of their houses in sign of protest for the mass deportation and murder of the Timorese and also of hope in the future of Timor Loro Sae. Others have a white cloth on their cars. Others simply dressed a white shirt. I had a lot of trouble to find a white shirt in my wardrobe but I found one. It is an old shirt but it serves the purpose.

Allein Thu Sep 9 06:39:01 PDT 1999

Americo - I've just read the rules for Shadows and saw the one about no posts after the 1st of Sept. So, should I e-mail my changes to you? I'm almost finished and I hope to be completely finished and send it to you this weekend. :)

Rhoda Wed Sep 8 19:36:53 PDT 1999

Does anyone here know how to save mail folders from Netscape and put them elsewhere on your harddrive where you can access them later? I am having a real problem figuring out how to do this. Anyone who knows how this can be done, please feel free to e-mail me.


Allein Wed Sep 8 17:38:57 PDT 1999

Rachel - I haven't received an e-mail from you today. Something wrong. Please e-mail me. Your messages always seem to cheer me up and today I really need it.

The Old Man Wed Sep 8 17:24:40 PDT 1999

Ladies and Gentlemen,

We who are powerless to stop injustice have one option. Without the political clout and personal power to end the tragedy of East Timor or places like it, it is up to us as the formers of opinion that writers must be to look to the future and try to stem the flow of hate in places that have not yet erupted.
To change an opinion through enlightenment is just one of the noble powers that we as writers possess. It is not instant, it is not even quick, but it will work.

If a frog is in a pot of cold water that is slowly being heated, he will die. The same frog placed into already-boiling water will jump out and save his life.
The thing to hope for is that something will occur to make your friend jump from his pot before it gets too hot.
In my expreience, nothing you can say to this friend will stop him, it may even make things worse. As hard as it may be, allow him to carry on until HE decides to change.

"Power corrupts...absolute power corupts absolutely." Anon.


Rachel Wed Sep 8 16:45:56 PDT 1999

Hi Hayden - Me again. On that post I left I ment to say that I would give you a lift, not a life. I only have one life and I'm using it right now.

Rachel Wed Sep 8 16:34:19 PDT 1999

Hayden - Gezzzz, now I feel guilty as hell (sheepish grin) Here, you have the car back.
Take care you

Americo Wed Sep 8 16:15:59 PDT 1999

I'm having Internet and computer problems. Only now did I manage to reach this page after trying for some days to repair the damage caused by another serious crash. Apparently the Internet is a big source of viruses and trouble.

I had a quick look at the messages posted after mine. I will not answer their authors personally. For the most part they reveal incredible ignorance and in some cases brutal insensitivy towards the case of East Timor. I only ask the people who know nothing or who have obviously erroneous notions about what is in question not to irritate the just feelings of indignation of two countries and one Humanity. The countries are Portugal — not the political entity but the conscience of its people — and East Timor, now called Timor Loro Sae after its people chose independence in a referendum promoted and observed by the United Nations. The Humanity should also be yours.

Tonight, instead of speaking about "good manners" to your children, teach them the real meaning of democracy, freedom and the value of human life. Instead of teaching them hypocrisy, teach them how to be human. It is a very short lesson, you will not bother much your tender darlings. You can even avoid telling them that at this very moment thousands of children and their parents are being brutally killed by a bunch of murderers under the protection of a part of the Indonesian Army and Police. And that your silence, your ignorance, your egotism, your hypocrisy and your hollow rhetoric are helping, rather than stopping, the mass murder.

Do not ask me for whom the bells toll, they toll for thee. John Donne, an English poet, wrote that many centuries ago, and Hemingway, one of your writers, used that sentence as the epigraph and title of one of his novels many decades ago. But some of you never learned or have already forgotten what that means.

Be certain that one day either you, who shrug your shoulders before the United Nations delatory policy of solving the problem by allowing an international peace keeping force to the region — this is no Kosovo, just a bunch of criminals armed and supported by a faction of reactionary military and police — or your children will understand the meaning of Donne's sentence. I hope that not in a brutal way such as the one the world is witnessing.

Hayden Wed Sep 8 16:09:04 PDT 1999

Arik...that's a bummer of a question--a win situation, really. Personally, I would allow him to make his own mistakes and not try to do *too* much to help. Like Rhoda said, you can offer support to help him get to a clinic to detox, but your life has to go on and you shouldn't get too mixed up in what is happening because you can be *tarred with the same brush*. You might feel a little guilty about it all, since most of us want to help our friends who are in trouble, but once someone is into drugs seriously, they will just lie and cheat and steal to keep the addiction. Unless you are a social worker, get someone else (a professional)to help and stay a little distant from it.

Mind you, I think we should take Rachel to a detox centre as well! Damn cheek. She has to steal my porsche to buy herself chocs!!

And Lydia, what's an excalibre? I'm gonna do some research on it and if it's more stylish than the porsche, I'm gonna get one and the two of us can cruise past WakeWell and wave politely. With one finger or something. Hehehe


Rhoda Wed Sep 8 13:38:12 PDT 1999

By the way, that bottom post is mine. Arik, I am not an expert, but I offer you the little wisdom I have seen from other friends dealing with the same problem.


Wed Sep 8 13:35:46 PDT 1999


I think that would depend on how close your relationship is with this person. If you know him well and you think you have some influence on him then encourage him to turn himself in and seek treatment for his addiction. Be very honest with him. If his parents or those responsible for him don't know about his activities, I would tell, but not without giving your friend the opportunity to own up to the problem himself.

Don't bail him out of jail, lie for him, cover up for him or try to help him out of any problems with the authorities. Let him face the concequences of what he does. Sometimes that is the only way people will change. Be supportive with him, but be brutally honest. If he refuses to get help and his behavior is hurting your own life or putting you into contact with a rough sort of person, then you might have to drop him. That would be a last resort, but you owe it to yourself to consider your own well-being. Always pray for him, for I believe that God has the power to change and heal people.

Arik to all Http:// Wed Sep 8 13:02:43 PDT 1999

Hi all. Please, tell me what wuld you do if someone you once was very close to him have started using drugs and became a criminal?

Jerry Ericsson Wed Sep 8 11:39:20 PDT 1999


You know, I have given this a lot of thought, about your comments on your nations former colony, and a question comes to mine, where is your nation? When will they take action on their former colony, when will they intervene? If they do not have the power to take action, then where is the call to arms for your people, why haven't you rushed down to the nearest local recruiter for your nations armed services, and voluntered to go help the good people who now suffer so?

Why should I send my son, if the nation which formerly held the oppressed peoples so close to thier brest fails to take any aciton except to call for help from abroad?

I do see that the good people down under are beginning to take action, and I think this is good. I would not be against our nation sending troops, but I just had to think . . . .


Lydia Sweet Wed Sep 8 06:54:09 PDT 1999

Hey gang,

I'm working in the Department of Anatomy and Neurobiology now. Gross Anatomy lab is just down stairs and the whole building is nothing but research labs; white rats, monkeys, spookey jars, etc. Think I might find some inspiration for a short story or two?

I dreamt about that Porshe, but then I stumbled across this sweet little Excalibur remake. I might not be able to outrun the Porshe, but damn, I'm stylin'!


Rachel Tue Sep 7 23:45:49 PDT 1999

Hayden - I have the Porsche, and oh baby... I don't plan on giving it back (wild merry laughter) Mind you, if yah need a ride, I'll be glad to give you a life, but I drive (grins and laugher) That car was made for me (great big wide grin).

Gary - I ate a bit more chocolate and then I kicked on back with a nice dark beer, but not before I cooked up a wicked meal that left my family all happy and saying I should challenge the Iron Chef (grins and laughter) Oh my, my, oh hell yes! I am quite the livin breathin wonder! Oh and those cows better be afraid. I have a veggie buddie who has been dying for a chunk of beef. No cow will be safe from our wild feeding frenzy (Bwah, ha, ha, ha - that is evil laughter)!

Take care all

SKS - I ate the chocolate quickly and now it is all gone. Really, no reason at all for you to come looking for it, really, really, I'm tellin the truth. I, er, um. Okay, I saved you one really yummy piece!

Tue Sep 7 22:37:26 PDT 1999

I can't believe this thing double posted again.

Bwahhahahahahhh. Give me back my Porsche and I'll stop doing this!

Tue Sep 7 22:36:51 PDT 1999

I can't believe this thing double posted again.

Tue Sep 7 22:36:43 PDT 1999

I can't believe this thing double posted again.

Tue Sep 7 22:24:08 PDT 1999

I can't believe this thing double posted again.

Gary S Tue Sep 7 22:18:20 PDT 1999

This posting is for the purpose of greeting all the old gang back to the Notebook. The room hasn't looked this familiar for some time, now. I see SKS over there by the buffet. Now that he admits to corrupting Rachel, I can't wait to see what he will do next. Rachel is on the sofa stuffing down chocolate. What else is there after one has been corrupted. Rachel, I hear the cows are very nervous in western Canada these days, and some the hogs in Iowa are sleeping with one eye open.

And look, there's Rhoda talking to Lydia. So great it is to see Lydia again. Suppose we could eavesdrop? I should think an eave is a mighty big thing to drop; I wonder how that expression ever came to be.

It is so great to see all these folks about again. And of course there's Hayden right in the thick of it. I see he still hasn't taken the lamp shade off his head. What can we do? We love him, so.


Gary S Tue Sep 7 22:17:21 PDT 1999

This posting is for the purpose of greeting all the old gang back to the Notebook. The room hasn't looked this familiar for some time, now. I see SKS over there by the buffet. Now that he admits to corrupting Rachel, I can't wait to see what he will do next. Rachel is on the sofa stuffing down chocolate. What else is there after one has been corrupted. Rachel, I hear the cows are very nervous in western Canada these days, and some the hogs in Iowa are sleeping with one eye open.

And look, there's Rhoda talking to Lydia. So great it is to see Lydia again. Suppose we could eavesdrop? I should think an eave is a mighty big thing to drop; I wonder how that expression ever came to be.

It is so great to see all these folks about again. And of course there's Hayden right in the thick of it. I see he still hasn't taken the lamp shade off his head. What can we do? We love him, so.


Gary S Tue Sep 7 21:56:38 PDT 1999


I feel I must acknowledge your thoughts about Timor Loro Sae. I understand the frustration you feel. When people are being killed, there is no satisfaction in crying outrage from thousands of miles away. I hope it will end and the people will be allowed their independence, but I don't know how it will come about.

One hundred years ago, today, America was fighting the Philipine American War, my nations introduction to global adventurism. This was essentially an extension of what we call the Spanish American War and it was a heavily debated issue at the time.

Everyone here knows of Mark Twain. His writings have made him legendary, but scarcely a few know that he ended his days as the prominent American protestor of our action in the Philipines.

Today in this country, not one person in a hundred has ever heard of this conflict. That is because it was never taught in the public schools of this land. It was a disgraceful chapter in our history that we chose to erase from the page. Sadly, because we denied ourselves this lesson of history we were fated to repeat it again in Viet Nam. Had we remembered the years follwing Dewey's defeat of the Spanish fleet in Manila bay, we would never have entered into another Guerilla war in Asia.

Now that we are not able to ignore the history of the Viet Nam war, we are impotent to act in the Eastern Hemisphere. We can only wage righteous acts of war in Europe and wars of economic imperative (for oil) in the Near East.

I doubt strongly that our current administration will ever commit more than diplomacy and/or political expression to the trouble in Timor. I believe that Australia has voiced a strong message on the matter. Could this be a time when Uncle Sam offers to hold Australia's coat while they have a go at wrong doers?

Maybe we'll have to ask Hayden.



Hayden Tue Sep 7 21:26:53 PDT 1999

Hi gang

Just been asked to submit a kids story for a worldwide publication. Great to have something like that happen (though I've never written for kids before so I have to look at style etc). Of course, the editors will sit on it for a while and may reject it in the end, but being asked is like having someone tap you on the shoulder and tell you they like your stuff. (What's happening? People are getting interested in my work. Goodness gracious.)

Also, over the weekend I met the editor of Amazing Stories and he also asked me to send stories to him. The guy would have met thousands of writers there, so I hope Jack had the same kind of luck.

Better start writing flat out. Might even make a career of it :-)

Rhoda, Rachel, Lydia, nice to see you all again. Anyone seen the Porsche?


Paulo Tue Sep 7 16:22:23 PDT 1999

Hey all,

Timor Loro Sae its the only thing that is on my mind now.
It is not important if people knows where Timor is located, or even the story of the people.

What is important is what is happening there.
It is a shame the we live in a world where Justice is less important than Political or Economical issues.
It is a shame that we live in a world where what we say is not what we think, and is not what we do.

Human race is dying slowly.
I'm really mad because the only think I can do, his to subscribe international petitions, sending mails to a lot a places, and stay still, impotent, watching people dying with our acceptance.

Everything is wrong.
Human race needs to find out that our nature is essentially the same, and that we are going nowere while things like this are allowed at the global level.

Bye all

Rachel Tue Sep 7 14:47:56 PDT 1999

Hi all!

Oh wow! I can't believe all the people who have come back, or who have been lurking and have now decided to post again! This is great (big smile). Lydia, I'm so pleased to see you. It sounds as if things in your life are going well, that is nice to hear. Hayden (grins) I look forward to hearing more from you. SKS... Well, what can I say (grins) I have chocolate! Na, na, na, na I'm not going to share! Not even one little tiny bite and there is nothing you can do about it (evil laughter).
Take care all

PS - Litter, are yah out there?

Rhoda Tue Sep 7 13:56:02 PDT 1999

I shudder to add more size to the Notebook, but I must give a great big "WELCOME BACK" to Hayden, S.K.S., and Lydia. I would make it bigger and flashier but I am just not sure how to add colors and fancy lettering. I think I would rather not try until Jack returns.

With Gary S. back and all these other folks, the Notebook feels more like home again.


Lydia Sweet Tue Sep 7 13:43:45 PDT 1999

Oh, my gosh, but I am parched. I'm dying of thirst.

Oh, look! Water! Water!

You guys are my drink of water. I've missed you. I see a few familiar faces. SKS, Hayden, Rhoda, Rachel, Allien. Please if I missed anyone, don't be offended. I read about 30 pages of the current posting and figured I had just better start here and now and catch up as I go along.

It's great to see everyone again. I have transferred to another position at the University and it has taken awhile to adjust. Of course I had to change computers and it took me some time to dig out my web addresses, but I found you eventually. And, well, here I am.


Hayden Tue Sep 7 01:42:03 PDT 1999

Good Old Gariess! Sigh. So nice to see your words flooding the screen again. Sigh. And all you others. Ols such a great big sigh of relief.

Timor. I mourn when I see things like this happen. And so frequently too these last few years. Any excuse it seems...and there's no stopping the malcontents in society.

No matter what the history, it really seems to be an unruly group seeking any excuse to vent its rage on another group. Maybe the end of the millenium has something to do with it, or people believing that a date changes the way things should be. And it takes such a great effort by all the onlookers to do something about it. Bullies seem to have an immunity half the time because the reasonable amongst us try to talk it through and resolve it with as little conflict as possible. Eventually we all learn that words are limited, and then we must act. But how?

Gloom is self-perpetuating. So like Gariess I say Allein post your funnies. Gather them and scatter them through the notebook, not so we can forget that things are happening outside, but to show that there are two sides to life:The joy that humans can give each other, and the more somber side of our interaction with each other. Because the two are so closely linked. In any good jest there is pain--the pain of relating something that in another form would be a kind of madness. In seeing and sharing humor we see and hear what life really is, not what it is imagined to be. The same goes for conflict.

Enough. First day back and I think I'm a philospher. Sigh.


Gariess Mon Sep 6 23:03:39 PDT 1999


Welcome back, mate (unabashed tears of joy and disgraceful slobbering.) Looks as though you have parachuted right into the middle of a small excitement, chap. There's our Hayden for you, always a one to pour a little oil if the waters get too troubled. I don't remember the place ever being so fraught with political expression. Personally, I don't want it to spoil your homecoming party. Hang the luck that you missed Jack, old man, but you did meet up with Britomart and that must have been a treat. Just can't say how glad I am to see you, mate. Well, listen, get a chair and fill up a plate. There's plenty at the bar so be your own judge. I'm off to chat with some of the others for a bit, but I'll be about.

Rhoda, my dear,

I support your sentiments whole heartedly on the matter of peace in the forum. I know how delicate the explosive mechanism is. Myself, I intend to refrain from risking a provocation by not voicing any opinions I hold of a political nature in the Notebook.

Of course I do feel outrage toward oppressive governments that abuse their people. I despise political imprisonments and torture - the killing of people including innocent civilans and children - making war on races and religious factions. I hate rulers who murder their opposers in the name of law and order. I have hated these and all such things for many years.

The fact is that after so many years, I am overwhelmed by the capacity of the world to create new human crises. I was around after Nuremburg, and I believed that I would never see the likes of what caused those trials again. I was led to believe that we, the civilzed world, had brought such justice to bear that a thing such as genocide would never again be thinkable. It was later I learned that for every
mass murdered we hanged, we imported five or six to work in our missile programs. Justice is nice but hell, we had to have missiles.

Well, we have seen the likes of the Third Reich again, haven't we? We have seen Saddam gas his own people, that was special. We have seen ethnic cleansing (genocide) in Yugoslavia in all its glorious ugliness. Not to mention all of the lesser and similar events in the years since Nuremburg. Sorry if I am mis-spelling, but I could never manage the German names very well.

Today we have East Timor. All I ever wanted to know about Timor was that it was the island Captain Bligh finally reached after he was cast off from the Bounty. But now I know something more. Imagine my surprise.

Someone mentioned that Americans are sadly ignorant of Geography; they were quite right. In '42 we wondered where Guadalcanal and Tarawa were. I remember in 1965 people here were wondering where in hell Viet Nam was. Well, now they also know more than they wanted to. You see folks, that's how we learn geography in the U.S. Somebody (not ourselves if we're lucky) gets us into a war someplace and we all go running for a map. So, as you can see, ignorance is truly bliss. Our ignorance of your country is bliss for you.

Timor is one more outrage in an outrageous century. I claim the right, personally, to abstain from passionate participation in the wars against injustice. Call me a slacker only if you have seen the elephant. I have not seen the elephant, but I am an old aligator and I have been to the line.


I want you to post more funnies. I want you find ever funny you can lay your fingers on and cram this Notebook with as many as you can. I love your funnies.

Hayden, take that lampshade off your head.

Bless you all,


Rachel Mon Sep 6 21:33:05 PDT 1999

Hi all

Allein - Yikes! Allein! Do not send me money. I repeat, do not send me money.
What I will do for you is take a look in the music stores and see what I can see. I am sure that I should be able to find something and then I will bet that you could order it from them direct. I'll get you all the info that you will need (smiles).
What sort of soundtracks, just Disny stuff? Let me know.
Take care you

Take care all

Rhoda Mon Sep 6 19:16:34 PDT 1999


Go to the home/ page or whatever the home netscape page is. At the bottom they will give you a choice to do Netscape in several different languages. I choose German and pulled up the search engine in German. I put in and got the German page. In it I put Disney in the search and came up with several German titles of Disney movies. I bet this will also work for Japanese.

Allein Mon Sep 6 18:21:47 PDT 1999

Rhoda - I know that Amazon carries Spanish language. I should have been specific that I'm looking for mainly German and Japanese videos and soundtracks. The French sound nice too though. I'm hoping that they are in Canada, so that if I send a friend up there some money, certainly, she would most likely be able to get them.

Rachel - If I were to send you the money to buy the French versions of soundtracks, would you get them and send them to me, please?

Rhoda Mon Sep 6 15:03:17 PDT 1999


Spanish language videos are easy to come by here. Another place to look is I know that they sell things in Spanish. I think for foreign language Disney movies, you would do best in a big city or on the Internet. I would also think that French language videos would be available in Canada.


Allein Mon Sep 6 13:36:49 PDT 1999

Hiya people. Does anyone here know where I can get foreign language videos (Disney, mainly) for a low price that I can play on an American VCR (most European videos are in a different format).
Thank you,

Rachel Mon Sep 6 13:34:40 PDT 1999

Hey all

SKS_Perry - Good to see yah (great big hug)! Oh, and feel free to corrupt me any time (grins and laughter).

Take care all

S.K.S. Perry Mon Sep 6 13:22:13 PDT 1999

Hey all,

Yes, I confess. I am the one who subverted our precious Rachel. First I got her to eat meat, next I'm working on getting her to hang out in biker bars. I almost had her running with scissors while she was here, but then she hurt her ankle, and hobbling with scissors just doesn't have that ring to it. Truly, I am evil incarnate.

Be Well, Live Well.

S.K.S. Perry

Weston Mon Sep 6 11:45:35 PDT 1999

Oops, no identification on my previous post.

Amazing what others are thinking while we compose our thoughts.

I am white, Christian, and own an oil well.(.02%) But I support independence in East Timor.


Mon Sep 6 11:16:54 PDT 1999

Thank You for the birthday wishes.

Now let me see who I might offend.

On this Labor Day Holiday: I have never belonged to a labor union. Collective Bargaining = Collective = Commune = Communism. The individual (I) is subservient to the collective. I have been temporarily unemployed but I have never accepted unemployment pay or welfare. I once crossed a picket line, and was rewarded with a cowardly sneaking attack upon my property and home in the dark of night by union thugs. We have a day of no work to celebrate the worker.

So there.

Americo has related the plight of the Timorese and then raised the call to action with the words: "Are you going to allow that?"

What shall we do?

Don't expect much action from the United States concerning Timor Loro Sae. Big money intrests in Indonesia helped bankroll President Bill Clinton's reelection. Ted Turner, owner of CNN and husband of Hanoi Jane, (can you tell that I am a Vietnam Vetran? If you need an explanation, just ask) is a FOB (Friend Of Bill) as are many of the media and Hollywood elites. Newsweek also printed nothing. The only hope for action or aid in Timor is that Our President will be caught in another compromising controversy and needs a media event to divert attention from himself. But then the help will be the wrong stuff, too little and too late, as in Kosovo.

Perhaps Americo will establish and lead an expeditionary force.

Armed with pencils.

Martin is guilty of making a bad joke. Americo has responded with bad manners.

During World War II, U.S. government censors would not allow the song "Beyond the Blue Horizon" to be aired in it's original form because of the lyrics of the last line: Beyond the blue horizon lies the rising sun. A reminder that Japan, the "land of the rising sun", lay just across the Pacific from our West Coast. Never mind that, from our perspective, the sun sets in that direction.

Save the "funnies" for a time when the Notebook has been flushed to the archives. These amusing bits of drivel are somewhat less amusing after waiting for a 205K file to download. Besides, they show up everywhere else on the net.


Rhoda Mon Sep 6 10:47:32 PDT 1999

After reading some of the text I just posted, I wish to ammend a few things. I do not know that religion has anything to do with the conflict in East Timor. I was wrong to presuppose that. Indonesia has much religious diversity for a prodominately Islamic country. I didn't wish to imply that Moslems are any more brutal than other groups. There are and have been Moslem countries that have operated with great tolerence while there have been Christian nations that have behaved in similar manners that Sudan behaves in now.

I also did not mean to imply that Democrats are any more inept than anyone else. I despise the current administration, but not because they are democrats. I hope that I would have the same honestly to not despise them any less if they had been republicans.

Forgive me for flying off the handle a little and getting involved in politics.

Hope I didn't offend anyone,


Jerry Ericsson Mon Sep 6 10:21:29 PDT 1999

Americo - I usually don't agree with some of your liberal ideas, but you do have America down pat, right now, if your arn't white, christian, or the owner of many many oil wells that produce for our nation, we will not be involved in your nations problems. I guess that comes from having a predomainatly white christian congress and administration.

Will this ever change, probably not, but I also think it is human nature to care for those who are like yourselves.

There however among our citizens those who do care for the underdog, no matter their religion, race of beliefs, and I consider myself among those - you have my support in calling for justice for the down-trodden.

Rhoda Mon Sep 6 09:46:34 PDT 1999


I found information about East Timor on a web-site,

This site gives the history and a breakdown of the situation plus useful links. The human rights abuses are horrible. I got sick to my stomach as I read about how the Indonesian army and government are abusing these people. I am sure that part of the reason for the brutality is that the people of Timor are animists and not good Moslems. The Timorese women have been systematically raped. The Timorese have been denied educational opportunities and a steady supply of food. Their children are taken away at infancy and given as gifts to Indonesian aristocratic families.

I am sorry, Americo, that you have found mostly indifference among Americans. Of course, many Americans have such poor geographic skills; they hardly know where Indonesia is let alone East Timor. Sadly enough, many rely too heavily on CNN and other new services to keep them up on world affairs.

It doesn't look good for East Timor people if American influence is needed to help their cause for nationhood. For one thing, these Timor people do not have powerful sponsors like Saudi Arabia, Turkey and other countries of the Moslem world to lobby for help as the Albanians did. Consider Sudan: The animists and Christians of southern Sudan are being tortured and forcibly starved by the Arabs in the North. They too are having their children taken away and sent to the Moslem families of the north to be slaves and to be taught Islam. There is no outcry about this behavior. Bloodshed runs rampid all over Africa and no one cares.

The United States has no cannot presently deal with such situations. Unless the people of East Timor can give huge amounts of money to the Democratic National Comittee or can provide photo opps to bolster sinking Administration popularity, there is no hope for help here. Only if their plight can create a diversion from the President's problems with Waco, Chinagate, and other scandels, can the people of East Timor get help from the United States. I am afraid that East Timor is too isolated to create such a diversion.

I hate to sound so cynical. I have read about the plight of the Sudanese and other such people groups. I have prayed for them and wept and have wrung my hands when no help or even word of official United States outrage is given. The United States has no coherent foreign policy at this time. The current folks in charge cannot even maintain the future security and interests of their own nation, let alone intervene in a positive way to influence the plight of such people as the southern Sudanese or the East Timorians. The folks in Washington DO NOT CARE. They don't care about their own nation let alone some small country on the other side of the world.

Regarding Martin: I think it not right that you call him a Nazi. That was uncalled for. He was insensitive to say what he said, but your reaction was far too hostile.

I remember too well a time when two other individuals I liked got into a fight on this Notebook. For a long time they both went away. Fortunately, one is back with us. But I would hate to see such a thing happen again.

Happy Writing,


Rachel Mon Sep 6 09:32:48 PDT 1999

Hi all

Hey Allein - On the Timor thing. Timor has as Americo stated been Timor for a long time. I guess I found Martin's comment a little grating because, guess what? I have friends over there. Friends who are in danger because they want is to be free from oppression. I guess its easy enough to get put off by Martins comment. I know I was. I find it disturbing that people seem to have lost sight of just how fotunate we all are. We have it great in our Countries. Yes, I know there are some problems, it is not perfection, but nobody is going to shoot you for a smiple dream. The dream of freedom. Ah well enough of my rant.
Ah and Allein remember, we are only fighting if we believe we are. I would say that at this point we are all just calmly expressing some views. We can't always agree. Also as writers and artists I think it is pretty safe to say that the bunch of us can be rather passionate from time to time, but it doesn't mean that we are "fighting" (big hug to you:)
I also will look very forward to meeting up with you and see nothing at this point that could put the meeting off from me end of things. Ah, and as for the diner, I would be glad to eat anything that your mother prepared, meat included. Yes! It's true, I am loosing my radical edge, meat has been looking pretty darned good to me.

SKS_Perry - Yup, it all started with lasgna at your house and now I am eating fish burgers making plans to sneak off with buddies for steak diners! Ahhhh! I am turning into a full out beef lover! Oh no, oh no! Didn't really realize how much I missed the stuff.

Take care all

Allein Sun Sep 5 22:03:53 PDT 1999

Time for the funnies:


You grind your coffee beans in your mouth.You sleep with your eyes open.

You have to watch videos in fast-forward.
The only time you're standing still is during an earthquake.

You can take a picture of yourself from ten feet away without using the timer.

You've worn out your third pair of tennis shoes this week.

Your eyes stay open when you sneeze.

You chew on other people's fingernails.

The nurse needs a scientific calculator to take your pulse.

You're so jittery that people use your hands to blend their margaritas.

You can type sixty words per minute with your feet.
You can jump-start your car without cables.

You don't sweat, you percolate.

You walk twenty miles on your treadmill before you realizeit's not plugged in.

You forget to unwrap candy bars before eating them.

You've built a miniature city out of little plastic stirrers.

People get dizzy just watching you.

Instant coffee takes too long.

You channel surf faster without a remote.

You have a picture of your coffee mug on your coffee mug.

You can outlast the Energizer bunny.

You short out motion detectors.

You don't even wait for the water to boil anymore.

Your nervous twitch registers on the Richter scale.

You help your dog chase its tail.

You soak your dentures in coffee overnight.

Your first-aid kit contains two pints of coffee with an I.V.hookup.

You ski uphill.

You get a speeding ticket even when you're parked.

You answer the door before people knock.

You haven't blinked since the last lunar eclipse.

I LOVE coffee - esp. expresso. My favorite is a Frappacino from Starbucks - yummy yummy.

Allein Sun Sep 5 19:25:11 PDT 1999

Hi People. How is everybody here? ((((BIG HUGS)))) to all of you.
I've worked a bit on Shadows - just did some more editing, I didn't write anything new (I'll start that after I finish the editing).

Americo - I think Timor is a nice name for a country. But I also think that people have a right to say what they want. Perhaps Martin was misinformed. I don't know much about the name myself, so, I'm not going to get into the argument, but it does hurt me to see two of my good friends fighting. I know, I should stay out of it, but I felt that I should express my feelings about this. So, now that I've put in my two cents, I'll shut up about it. *hugs*

I've some exciting news though. Rachel might be popping on down from Canada to visit me. We still have to set up a date to meet and everything, but I thought that I'd just tell all of you. I'm so happy! I get to meet Rachel! She's a good person - I think everyone here can agree to that. :)
Well, that's all for now.
(((BIG HUGS))) and much love,

"I'm not spoiled. I'm not! I'm not! I'm not!"
- license plate holder

Americo Sun Sep 5 16:10:14 PDT 1999

Mr Martin:

Timor is a name with at least five centuries (perhaps more) of great and respectful history. You are again showing not only that you are an ignorant but also an imbecile. I suspect that you are also a Nazi, more or less in desguise, but at the precise moment so many innocent people are being murdered because of their wish to be free from tyranny, you are, to cap at all, a criminal.


Martin Sun Sep 5 13:16:09 PDT 1999


Isn’t the word Timor a plagiarism? I remmeber a house down in New Orleans, It was called the house of the rising sun ....

Bad taste to choose to name a country.

El lobo solitario

Rachel Sun Sep 5 07:53:24 PDT 1999

K Allan Cross - I do not think your poem is corney at all.
Take care you

Americo Sun Sep 5 06:56:47 PDT 1999

Weston: congratulations for your birthday!

Americo Sun Sep 5 06:54:33 PDT 1999

Hayden: you should not ask about the whereabouts of Jack to the women.
That could be very indiscreet. Did you notice if any of them (or all of them for that matter) lowered their lashes and blushed? Did you notice any signs of ... well, looove is a maaany splendoured thing (The Platters).

Welcome back, Hayden. I know you very well because I read some of your 19th century posts on the notebook. Now we can speak about interesting things here, not just literary matters. Much livelier than in your time.

Gary S: I read your plot outline for a play. You must improve on that. The physical solution for dissolving pathos leaves something to be desired. Unless you were Becket or some such sacred monster. Even in that case I would not go to the theatre. Yet you certainly have a good sense of humor. We must discuss humour (I like this last spelling better) and cooperative writing in this forum. Seriously. And now.

People: I am afraid CNN is not paying as much attention to Timor Loro Sae as it must. We cannot let the economic prevail over the human, can we? We are writers, therefore attentive to all the injustices and ready to criticize and punish them with our own weapons: words. And do not tell me this is not the right spot for talking about human lives and human freedom. So, long live TIMOR LORO SAE, the baby country!

Hayden Sun Sep 5 04:45:57 PDT 1999

Goddamn I missed him!

I've just spent the last two days at Worldcon3 wandering around and approaching just about every American (including the women) and asking if they were Jack. But I couldn't find him. Either he was in other rooms or he escaped to be in another timeline or an alernate timeline...dash it all. Jack...I am so sorry I missed you. I even left Saturday night free in case I came across you in the cafe or something.

To the group, Britomart sends her regards and says she's working on her third novel...which is a struggle, so she says. She was wonderful to talk to in person, though I only had a few moments with her before she got called away. I also spent quite a bit of time with fantasy illustrators and they are a live bunch as well. Really know how to keep you entertained.

You can all owe Gariess a great deal of thanks for dragging me back into this wonderful site, and for enthusing me with the love of communicating to those who spend time here. Thanks, buddy.

Must run. It's late and I have to finish off a short story before the morning. Au revoire or seeya.


Allein Sat Sep 4 18:21:12 PDT 1999

Avatar - I looked for Digimon on the TV schedule but couldn't find it, what days and times is it on.

Gary S Sat Sep 4 16:54:30 PDT 1999


Happy birthday, sonny.

I must read some more of Shadows.

Labor Day is upon us. The traditionally final weekend of the summer season though not the official end of summer which occurs some three weeks later. Still, it marks the beginning of the school year, and the time when our summer visitors must leave this fun filled sunny Cape, this playland of picturesque and romantic days and nights, the happy sunny time of families and long beautiful beaches, the Harbor cruises and the moonlight Canal trips, the fishing excursions, the twilight beach parties, the late Sunday morning beakfasts, the visits to the night clubs, the less than wonderful bands, the expensive cocktails, the browned bodies on the beaches and the tantalizing waitresses that the wives are so happy to have their husbands drooling over, the rowdy beer joints that the husbands slipped away to when those bodies and waitresses got the best of them, the nice policemen that drove the husbands back to their lodgings after they got stinking drunk and made nuisances of themselves, the god-awful hangovers that the husbands discovered when their six year olds woke them up by whacking them with inflated beach toys, the cold stares from their wives when they tried to make idle chatter at the breakfast tables, the mad dashes to the barf bowls when the hosts presented the bills for two weeks on Cape Cod, the nice cab drivers who drove the wives to the parking lots to get the cars because they will never trust their husbands to drive, or to ever go out for cigarettes again.

These are the memories our freinds from other places and other lands will take with them as they depart the Narrow Land of wonder. We will remember them fondly and hope that they take with them the blessings of the Chamber of Commerce which wishes them the very best and hopes they come back as soon as they can bring some more money. Those of us who remain behind will view the grand exodus on Monday as we listen to the the melodious verses of Judy Collins in our mind's ears:

(Five to six thousand per town for clean up.)
(They're broke.)
(They're broke.)
(I'm broke.)
(The Fall will be quiet)
(The time will be one of change.)
(The winter will be long, the beaches cold)
(And the spring will come again)


Americo Sat Sep 4 16:46:26 PDT 1999

A new country has just been born: East Timor, from yesterday on called TIMOR LORO SAE. A former Portuguese colony, was occupied by Indonesia in 197. After a quarter of a century of resistance against the invader, the East Timorese people voted massively for independence (78.5 %) Now the usual enemies of freedom are killing the people and burning their houses.
Will the civilized and well-intentioned people of world allow that? The Indonesian army and police have been doing a lamentable job so far. They are either incompetent or accomplice of the murderers. Are you going to allow that?

Raise your voices in favor of the TIMOR LORO SAE people. Timor — the rising sun : that is what it means. With tears of joy, and aprehension for what is at this right moment going on in hour land, and sorrow for those who have been killed in the name of independence and freedom, Timorese, I salute you! Long live TIMOR LORO SAE, an old nation, a baby country.

Avatar Sat Sep 4 13:03:00 PDT 1999

P.S.- I don't know when I'll be on next. School internet use isn't up yet. Hopefully next week sometime.

Americo- You mean we have to write more? Oh, well. Wanted to leave with a bang anyway... ;)

If you like Matthew Broderick, check out Ladyhawke. He starred in it in his early twenties, late teens. Good movie too.

Okay, post getting too long!


Avatar Sat Sep 4 12:59:14 PDT 1999


Hi! *giggle*

Three day weekends after an eternity of school really give me a good view on life!

Is anyone else feeling the drag? I've been writing in Shadows almost exclusively for the six months aforementioned and am now having trouble striking out on a book project. I've never done it before, but I think part of it might be my brain getting used to collaborative work.

Must train again!

Hii Rachel!

Rhoda! Hi to you too!

Sqrl- I am so happy you made the cut! Now we can go and plot evilly together, he he...
How your back throws itself back in ;)
in other words, feel better willya?

Americo- I don't know how prompt I will be when the second phase heads up, but I will try my best.
The paragraph about writers that you wrote was truly inspiring and humbling. I will bring it up next time I avoid the painful, yet enjoyable process of writing.

Alleine- There is now a new cartoon on the Fox channel. Digimon. No sign of Pikachu, but a totally new cast of little devils for you to eat. Roast 'em, toast 'em!


1. Teachers are graduates from the institution of drivel in Rat's Mouth, CA (real name of town there, just in espanol)
2. Parents voted to have mind-control devices placed in classrooms due to the lack of participation and interest
3. All lunchroom food is mainly the diseased or broken down livestock that even the packing plants wouldn't take
4. Vegetables are nuclear waste in pretty packages
5. Core curriculum is their fancy way of saying you have to endure countless hours of mind-bending torture
6. The bathrooms are places a grown man would enter without protective gear
7. SAT stands for 'Saddam Hussein's Academic Torture'
8. Lockers are intelligent alien entities the school board hired to eliminate all chances of getting into class with all papers intact
9. Backpacks hide weights inside the material to make things heavier than they are.
10. Parents like it



Later all

Martin Sat Sep 4 12:37:16 PDT 1999

Maker of things

How do you like the language? Of course it is not my motherlanguage but I tried to safe some from the German original script.
What about the theory that you have to destroy something, not necessarly physical objects, before you can be creativ? I used the physical destruction to to make my point clearer. The weather is another example. Imagin a hot and sultry day. Suddenly a thunderstorm hits. Doesn’t the air feel and smell fresh again afterwards? Remember the E-Mail I have sent you telling you it has happened the second time within a week’s span? There was no physical action involved.
Tell me more about your experiences with delaying creative necessity up to the last moment. What exactly happens then?


Martin Sat Sep 4 12:35:49 PDT 1999

Allein Sat Sep 4 10:23:23 PDT 1999

Weston - HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! And many more to come. :)

Rachel Sat Sep 4 09:02:21 PDT 1999

Hi all

Weston - Happy Birthday (big smile)

Take care all

Weston Sat Sep 4 06:15:59 PDT 1999

One week ago I participated in an 8K walk. 1 hour, 25 minutes, 36 seconds. 1136 of 1778 contestants. Fearing I might be injured by overtaking pedestrian traffic, my wife insisted I wear a shirt printed on the back with the orange triangle signifying "slow moving vehicle".

I woke up this morning and discovered that I had turned 49. Birthdays are fun, but too many are bad for ones health.
However, considering the alternative, I will accept them as they occur. Perhaps the view from the lofty perch of age gives wisdom, but the rarified air in that place may affect judgement. I suspect that The Old Man has come to terms with the phenomenon, given his assumed name and the quality of his observations.

The one sure thing about life is that none of us will get out of it alive.


Gariess Fri Sep 3 20:56:34 PDT 1999

How about a big WELCOME BACK for Cassandra.

Oh, "beer wench." The very mention of the phrase takes me back to the days of darkly lighted, smoke filled rooms. Raucous juke boxes and rowdy sounding voices in the background. The clacking of the pool balls and the twang of the cue sticks. And struggling to focus on a pattern of formica only centimeters in front of my eyes. Gadzooks, How quickly pass the days of beer and dandelions.


Americo Fri Sep 3 17:00:40 PDT 1999


The Japanese policy of isolationism made an exception to the Dutch, at least for some time, and to the Portuguese, who, despite some troubles with its missionaries, were the first People to sell guns to the Japanese and kept good relations with them. For some reason difficult to understand the Japanese were always quite friendly to the Portuguese. I think Portugal was also the first country they opened their harbours to, when they decided to put an end to their isolationism in the middle of the 19th century — after a Nipo-USA treaty for that matter.

This information requires further and deeper research. I gave it on just vague memories of my students days.

Rhoda Fri Sep 3 10:49:08 PDT 1999


I did enjoy your explanation about how the giving the finger gesture came about. That reminds me about a scene in the movie, THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES, where these mountain people get to the Los Angeles freeway and everyone is giving them the finger. Not knowing what it means, they think it is the way Los Angeles people say "hello" and so they drive down the freeway giving the finger to everyone they see.

I like these little legends that explain everyday things. That one was certainly plausible.


Keep lurking on.


I had a good laugh with your poem HEAVEN and HELL.

Well, I must go on with my work today. I am having a fascinating study of the history of California. Is anyone aware that back in 1600, the Japanese talked about setting up a colony in California in conjunction with the Spaniards? They finally decided that they didn't trust the Spaniards enough. A few years later, they killed all the Christians the Spaniards had converted in their country and embarked on a two hundred year policy of isolationism. The Japanese of the 17th century were superior seamen and had the capablity and expertise to settle the west coast if they had wished.

Before the Mexican War there were estimated to be 1000 Spanish men in Alta California and only 100 of those could read.

Research is one of the most fun parts of writing a novel. I am just amazed at how ignorant I am about California and how many erroneous ideas I have picked up from television and the movies.

Happy Writing!


Rachel Fri Sep 3 10:26:32 PDT 1999

Hey all

Allein - Yes! Pikachu must die (bwah, ha,ha,ha) I can think of no better use for that little creature than snack food! Yum, yum, yummy!

Gary - Its a cartoon character.

Hayden - Welcome back you lurker you!

Jack and Fran - Hope you are both having lots of fun!!!!!

Take care all

Sqrl Fri Sep 3 06:24:10 PDT 1999

"PS: 4)NEVER eat any thing that's moving."
you mean, NEVER eat cafeteria food?!

hi Everyone! Sorry I've been away too. I had orientation crap to attened last Wedsnday-Sunday. College started on Monday. Threw my back out on Tuesday. Not allowed to drive or go back to college until next Tuesday. :-( what a way to start the year!


Allein Fri Sep 3 05:40:33 PDT 1999

Gary - Pikachu is without a doubt the most annoying Pokémon in the world. He's supposed to be a mouse, but looks more like a rabbit with a long tail, or a jellybean with a face and long ears. A picture of the evil little thing can be seen at
All Pikachu can say is "pikachu". The only good thing about these dispicable little creatures is that they make excellent meals. Right Rachel?
Bai bai,

Gary S Thu Sep 2 22:13:32 PDT 1999

What the hell is a pikachu?

Gariess Thu Sep 2 22:08:50 PDT 1999


Did you see that post from a person in Australia? All those
lurks. And the name is Hayden. I think Jack has done it. I think he has gone to Australia and rooted out the very Hayden himself. I think there might be more to come.

Thanks for the kind words. I guess money is welcome everywhere. Why should the Portuguese be any different. At least now, they stay at home and wait for it to come to them. I mean for so many centuries they travelled the globe looking for it. That was a nice thing they started in Brasil, though wasn't it? The Africa thing went bad but then no European adventure in Africa wound up very well in the last part of the century. Except for John Huston and his bunch in that movie. But then Huston wasn't European, was he?

It's a lot of fun hanging out with all you people.



Cassandra Thu Sep 2 18:57:50 PDT 1999

lurk lurk lurk...

It's been a while since I've been online at all lately, life in the outside world has gotten a good deal more interesting, AND hectic. I've had to work all summer at a pizzaria doing your general "beer wench" duties, and as of Monday have been back at school working my butt off trying to start the year off on the right foot.

SO, needless to say I haven't gotten around to doing much serious writing. I did, however spend a week up at the International Women's Writing Guild's Summer conference in Saratoga NY. Which was Lots of Fun... I even dragged Squirrel up there with me. :)

It's nice to see that people are still around here.

Well, back to the art work... good writing to you all, and I'll check in more often now that I'm back on the daily grind.


Weston Thu Sep 2 18:14:59 PDT 1999

I have adopted a new title:

Maker of Things.

I have always made things, but the new job requires creativity on demand. The previous job (I lasted only three days) only required me to screw together things of varying degrees of great complexity. It grew boring. The new job is demanding and requires lots of hours, but is enjoyable.

Your apocalypse followed by creation sounds like a catharsis. The purging of the immediate, as well as stored up anger, leaving the soul clear of storm clouds and free to see the way to creativity.
That way is problematic though, as the havocs have to be repaired, the tools gathered, and the onlookers soothed and reassured that the storm has blown itself out. Sometimes, repairing the wreckage uses up much of the creative energy that it releases. In a younger day I turned over a (very heavy)table in a fit of rage. A rib let go in my chest and I was repaid with pain for quite a long time thereafter. Especially when I sneezed. I no longer recommend physical expression. I have heard that sudden releases of adrenalin raises blood pressure and occasionally shakes loose blood clots from the walls of veins and arterys, triggering strokes or heart attacks. I don't know if this is so, but having had a few blood clots myself, I try to avoid the risk.

On the other hand, I have, due to circumstances, delayed some creative necessity until the last minute, when the pressure is at the greatest extreme. Most of the time the resulting work is extraordinary. But when it isn't, it is very badly done.

The Renaissance Festival is great fun - I am told. Just a few miles away from where we live, my children have gone several times and have given a good report. The actors occasionally lurk about town (Grand Blanc) in their costumes.

Good Words,

Maker of Things

Hayden Thu Sep 2 17:55:55 PDT 1999

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Americo Thu Sep 2 15:04:31 PDT 1999

Sorry, folks. I have been pretty busy and have not been able to read all your post with due attention. I remember that Gary wanted to know if Portugal would open its doors to him on October. Of course, Gary, provided you bring with yourself a lot of dollars. We love rich tourists. Well, they love them. Incidentally, Gary, I like your sense of humour. I'll read something you posted somewhere about humour in the workbook whenever I can (perhaps this week end). I have not forgotten that.
Rhoda. My Spanish is lousy, but if you'd like to send me a message in the language of Cervantes I think I could understand it.

Allein. And all Shadows people. THERE ARE NO MORE DEADLINES. the co-authors can (and should) write more for "Shadows". Remember that only one third of the collaborators passed to the second leg.
Who else? Ah, Katarina. You were very kind.
And I've just beat the record of writing a post. Thirty seconds.

Rachel Thu Sep 2 14:03:51 PDT 1999

Hi all!

Allein - I got the drawing you sent to me today. It is sooooooo funny, I almost wet myself laughing when I looked at it for the first time. How twisted! How perfectly lovely. I love to see that rotten little Pikachu all cooked up that way! Yum! I toss aside all my vegetarian ways to run to the table and get a nice thick slab of him! (a burst of evil laughter)!

Take care all

Arik to all Thu Sep 2 13:19:53 PDT 1999

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gariess Thu Sep 2 13:05:54 PDT 1999


The English run the hotels.
The French cook the food.
The Swiss are the police.
The Germans repair the cars.
The Italians are the lovers.

The English cook the food.
The French run the hotels.
The Germans are the police.
The Swiss are the lovers.
The Italians repair the cars.

In both places the Americans run the Army. It doesn't matter whether they do it right or not. They are the only ones who like the job.


Katarina Thu Sep 2 11:14:34 PDT 1999

Hi everyone.

Americo, I wholeheartedly agree with you on the definition of a "writer". I have heard the same thing said about artists. You are born an artist. You die an artist. You don't "become" an artist. Your diagnostics were most on target.

I am off work for a couple of days for a long week-end. Plan to spend some time with my kiddies and hit a couple of country fairs in the area. Maybe the Renaissance Festival up in Michigan. Have heard that is fun, but have not been yet.

I am interested in being in on the next Round Robin, whoever is in charge of starting it...



Americo Thu Sep 2 09:30:29 PDT 1999

Good morning, everybody!

"Shadows in a Dream" is over as a round robin. The next step will be to make of it a book (hopefully publishable).

I have just posted in the workshop the additional rules for the second version (hope it is final!) and the names of the co-authors. Those interested please consult the workshop.

Martin Thu Sep 2 06:38:40 PDT 1999

»Ladys and Gentelman, may I introduce to you the greatest story ever told? The legend about the most popular word, which coincidally contains for words!«

The Battle at Agincourt (ca. 1369 AD) involved the French and the English.  The French, who were overwhelmingly favored to win the battle, threatened to cut a certain body part off of all captured English soldiers so that they could never fight again. The English won the battle. It was a major defeat for the French. When the battle was over, the English marched in front of those French soldiers who remained alive and waved the body part in question at the French in defiance. Do you know what this body part was??? The answer:  The body part which the French proposed to cut off of the English after defeating them was, of course, the middle finger, without which it would have been impossible for the English soldiers to draw the renowned English longbow.  This famous weapon was made of the native English yew tree, and so the act of drawing the longbow, using the forefinger and middle finger, was known among all soldiers as "plucking yew".When the victorious English waved their middle fingers at the defeated French, they said, "See here, we are still able to pluck the yew!" That was quickly shortened to a haughty shout of, "PLUCK YEW!" Over the years differing customs have evolved from this symbolic gesture.Since 'pluck yew' is  rather difficult to say (sort of like "pleasant mother pheasant plucker," which is who you had to go to for the feathers used on the arrows launched by the English longbow), the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental fricative "F".Thus thewords often used in conjunction with the middle-finger-salute, often mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate sexual encounter, were actually first used after the battle at Agincourt!It is also interesting to note that it is because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows that the symbolic gesture is known as "giving the bird".


Rachel Thu Sep 2 06:33:00 PDT 1999

Hi all

Rhoda! - Love the ending (big smile)

Take care all

Jack Beslanwitch Wed Sep 1 20:50:29 PDT 1999

Just a very quick note. It has been a bit of a problem establishing an internet connection. I hope to remedy this as time goes along. I should be seeing Britomart aka Kim Wilkins this afternoon sometime. Those who have been around for a while will be aware of her. Long flight. Otherwise, Americo, lets wait on Shadow until I get back on the 19th then send away. I should have something up at later today. Talk with you all soon.

Rachel Wed Sep 1 20:48:40 PDT 1999

Hi all

Allein - I'll get the letter off tomorrow morning. I did up some of it today. Know that I am thinking of you:)
Take care you

Allein Wed Sep 1 20:38:29 PDT 1999

Jack - Drop us a line and tell us how things are going. :)

Rachel - I have not received an e-mail from you. :(

Americo - I've edited a bit more of the Shadows portion you sent to me - I got through my first entry and part of my second last night. I've been at school all day and had homework tonight, so, I was unable to work on it tonight. But, I think tomorrow I get out of school early, so, I'll try and edit some more. :) Then I will get down to writing something about the Mask (if that's permissible - if not then it's okay, but I'd like to at least write something).

My first day at school wasn't too bad, except that I have very few classes with any of my friends in them. I guess I'll have to make new ones. There's a lot of nice people in my health professions class. One girl is interested in my story. :)
Well, I have to go. I'm about ready to drop dead asleep - I'm so tired.
Good night. :)

Rachel Wed Sep 1 20:09:47 PDT 1999

Jack and Fran - Hi you guys! I hope that you are having a wonderful time!!!!
Take care to the both of you!

Rhoda Wed Sep 1 19:19:00 PDT 1999


I did it. I got my last installment in. I loved helping with Shadows. I am game for another Round Robin.


Americo Wed Sep 1 18:48:32 PDT 1999

Jack. tell us about Australia!

If you like I can send you the first chapter of "Shadows" (this is its definitive title.)

BTW: we are suffocating on the Notebook with lack of space. The page started a fortnight ago and has almost 170 kb. When you come back (on the 20th September?) this page will probably be paralysed speechless dead

Good night, happy notebookers!

Americo Wed Sep 1 18:40:39 PDT 1999

"Shadows in a Dream" will be over as a round robin in some hours' time (midnight, PDT) and I cannot see any new additions since the 25th August. No one took advantage of Rachel's generous week's extension and the co-authors will be few. No problem with me. I had the idea and I will take it to the end.

It was a spectacular success as a round robin. It attracted 25 people and a cat and about 350 pages published in less than six months.

This fascinating experience made me think about the qualities that make up a writer.

Here are some of them: enthusiasm, creativity, a sense of duty towards vocation, the courage and the moral strength not to give up. A writer never says, I can't write because I have to do the laundry, to read a book, to get married soon, to attend a funeral. A writer writes on the pants of the husband, on the pages of the others' books, on the skin of the bride, on the coffin of the dead. Is that what you have done? What you are prepared to do in the future?

If yes, fine. You belong to this family. If not, well, at least read. A writer needs costumers. How about reading "Shadows in a Dream" even if only in its precarious round robin version? The final version will be something different, hopefully better, but the texts on the workbook are not bad for starters. Please give me, by e-mail, your impressions and your sincere crit.

Thank you, all

Rhoda Wed Sep 1 09:13:01 PDT 1999

Katrina and Rachel,

My children are in their second week of school and I am thankful to say we are still surviving. Finally I am getting my new sleep schedule worked out (I do not love mornings). The kids have had some adjustment problems, but they are doing well.


Enjoy yourself while you may. Look forward to a great year, and I think it should more likely turn out that way. Perhaps school is a bumber, but I miss it sometimes. Actually I am one of those strange beings that enjoyed the education part but hated the social life. But remember the other students in your school are still in process as you are. Most people eventually grow up. I hope you find some classes you enjoy, and I hope you make some wonderful memories.


It might take me a little while on that Spanish. I am 1/4th of the way through my beginning Spanish course. I decided to test my progress. I stood at the door of the gymnasium this morning while two women had a conversation in Spanish. I no more understood what was being said today than I ever did. Of course I could have politely asked the women to slow down a bit so as to make my eavesdropping go a little easier. I thought better of it in the end. Do Americans speak slowly compared to other people? Sometimes the British seem to speak so fast I have trouble understanding them. Spanish speaking people speak incredibly fast. Is this true for Portuguese also?

Well there is much to do. I must get busy.

Happy Writing!


Rachel Wed Sep 1 08:19:24 PDT 1999

Hi all

Allein - Have some fun at school. I had an absolute blast in grades 11 and 12. The only problem was that the education stuff kept getting in the way of my social life!

Kat - I'm almost ready. We got the cloths and shoes yesterday and will go into the rest of the supplies today. We don't go back to school until the 7th here, so we still have a few days.

Allein - Did I mention that you should have some fun (grins)? Play, play, play! Sing and dance!

Take care all

Katarina Wed Sep 1 07:30:33 PDT 1999

Hey guys...

Allein...all I can say about high school is: it gets a lot tougher. High school is a play ground compared to life "outside". When I was in high school, my motto was "Break as many rules as you can without getting caught." And I did. I was the arts editor on our school newspaper so I hung with the literary crowd. We were derelicts, but we were polite derelicts. We used to break into school to finish our deadlines. Is that punishable?

How much more high school do you have before you enter the "real test" and where are planning on going? I went to Univ. of father was a prof there and we got our education free.

Hi Gary. Hi Rachel. All prepared for school to start? Mothers every where are scrambling for the precise pencils, scissors and spiral notebooks!


Allein Wed Sep 1 06:04:35 PDT 1999

About 2 hours until I enter the prison I know as high school. And yes, I know the rules. 1)Do my homework.
2)Listen to the teacher. 3)Play nice with the other kids - unless of course one of the other kids wants to fight, then I have to kick the other kid's butt. :)
Well, wish me luck.

PS: 4)NEVER eat any thing that's moving.

Rachel Tue Aug 31 23:10:21 PDT 1999

Gary - Hi you! You can say whatever pleases you on the notebook! As Jack always says "This is freedom hall" I love when he says that. I just feel like I stumbled upon such a wonderful place. Yah, yah, I know we all disagree from time to time, but in the long run, we all remain friends, well, er, sort of, most of the time, maybe... (grins and hugs for you).
Americo - Hi you! I hope you are recovering from your jet lag.
Allein - I'll write back to you in the morning. I'm getting kind of tired.
Take care all

PS - Welcom Nolan!

Allein Tue Aug 31 22:18:58 PDT 1999

Okay, time for more Allein funnies. Todays topic is religion.

A minister dies and is waiting in line at the Pearly Gates.
Ahead of him is a guy who's dressed in sunglasses, a loud shirt,leather jacket, and jeans.
Saint Peter addresses this guy, "Who are you, so that I may know whether or not to admit you to the Kingdom of Heaven?"
The guy replies, "I'm Joe Cohen, taxi-driver, of Noo Yawk City."
Saint Peter consults his list. He smiles and says to the taxi-driver, "Take this silken robe and golden staff and Enter the Kingdom."
The taxi-driver goes into Heaven with his robe and staff.
Next it's the minister's turn. He stands erect and booms out, "I am Joseph Snow, pastor of Saint Mary's for the last 43 years."
Saint Peter consults his list. He says to the minister,
"Take this cotton robe and wooden staff and enter the Kingdom."
"Just a minute," says the minister. "That man was a taxi-driver and he gets a silken robe and golden staff. How can this be?"
"Up here, we work by results," says Saint Peter.
"While you preached, people slept; while he drove, people prayed."

* * *

A new priest at his first Mass was so nervous he could
hardly speak. After Mass he asked the monsignor how he had done. The monsignor replied, "When I am worried about getting nervous on the pulpit, I put a glass of
vodka next to the water glass. If I start to get nervous, I
take a sip."
So next Sunday he took the monsignor's advice. At the beginning of the sermon, he got nervous and took a drink. He proceeded to talk up a storm. Upon his return to his office after Mass, he found the following note on the door:
1. Sip the Vodka, don't gulp.
2. There are 10 commandments, not 12.
3. There are 12 disciples, not 10.
4. Jesus was consecrated, not constipated.
5. Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ass.
6. We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J.C.
7. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred to as
daddy, junior and the spook.
8. David slew Goliath, he did not kick the sh*t out of him.
9. When David was hit by a rock and knocked off his donkey,
don't say he was stoned off his ass.
10. We do not refer to the cross as the "Big T".
11. When Jesus broke the bread at the Last Supper he said, "Take this and eat it for it is my body." He did not say "Eat me."
12. The Virgin Mary is not called "Mary with the Cherry."
13. The recommended grace before a meal is not: Rub-A-Dub-Dub thanks for the grub, yeah God.
14. Next Sunday there will be a taffy pulling contest at St.
Peter's, not a peter pulling contest at St.Taffy's.

BTW, I get these jokes thorugh e-mail - they are not Allein originals. Allein could not come up with jokes such as these.

Gariess Tue Aug 31 21:54:58 PDT 1999


So anyway, you might imagine what it sounds like to us Yanks when you say, "Petting should be forbidden." But then think of the champion you will be to so many American feminists when you say, "That's a kind of slavery." (We have many kinds of feminists. Some would canonize you. Some would have you face cannons.

I was thinking of moving up my Portugal trip to late October. Do you think they will let me in?


gariess Tue Aug 31 21:39:20 PDT 1999


I noticed your question about "petting." Actually, it has been in use in this country for decades as an alternative to the verb, "necking," which are both polite words referring to the human activity which takes place prior to sex. Oh, God, I said sex in the Notebook.

Actually, this activity is now officially known as foreplay, which when adjusted for inflation becomes fiveplay, sixplay, and so on up.

When I was teenager, this "petting" was expected to end before it actually led to sex (Sure, Ma. You'll be lucky.)
Too often it lead not only sex but to court. No suit made by a tailor was ever as tight as the one called "Paternity."

Anyway, I expect this only confirms what you always believed. Americans are very strange.

Gariess Tue Aug 31 21:15:39 PDT 1999


I think it IS possible for you to love your kids too much. You would be taking the risk that they might spend the rest of their lives thanking you for it. Can you imagine anything worse?

Allein, I like those funnies a lot, too.

Jack, Are you feeling a bit down, under? Have you released the Hayden seeking 'droids yet? Taken any digital pictures with your digits? Keep your digits away from the lens or you might get pictures of your digits. Personally, I would have checked the swirl of the water by now, but then I HAVE been called weird. Do things there fall up? In the army we used to fall out. Sometimes we were ordered to stand down. I think I fell up once after standing down too long.


Hockey, dance lessons, music lessons, and endless soccer games? Whatever do you people eat in your part of the land? Actually, if you have daughters, there could be a great future in soccer. Consider Mia Ham (and her sisters Daisy and Virginia). That was a pun that's been waiting to happen all summer, speaking of ham.

And then there is Brandy Chastain who seems to be torn between stripping for the cameras and kicking the ball around. I never saw anyone remove a shirt so fast. Athletic prowess, no? Anyway, to those who object to Brandy's lightning laundry, I just want to say that I think Brandy (or is that Brandi... or Bambi?) should be allowed to take off anything she wants to. As long as I know about it so I can watch. That's all I do, watch. Say, what does any of this have to do with writing, except that I'm writing it?

Okay! Everybody, fall out, on the double!
The army was really wierd, so wierd in fact that it was actually the Air Force when I was in it. Anyway, I never found out where the damn double was, and I certainly never fell out on it.



Americo Tue Aug 31 18:47:31 PDT 1999

Allein: you are right about school being a pain in the ass and have all my simpathy.
Your teacher

Americo Jon and all the family to Jack Tue Aug 31 17:41:54 PDT 1999

Good morning to you in Australia! Send us a note to say how the flight was like! (And a kiss from Fran). Hey, bring us a nice kangaroo. I love them. Squirrels, kangaroos and cats are my favorite friends. I do not like them as pets. Petting should be forbidden! That's a kind of slavery. I can't stand seeing a cat sitting on my favorite sofa. Cats belong to the beach. And I've just invented the verb to pet in "petting should be forbidden": can you say that?. What do you think, Howard?

Allein Tue Aug 31 17:38:57 PDT 1999

Why kids don't want to go back to school. It's boring and they give us too much work. I know, I know, you say that we need the work if we're to succeed. But, school starts at 7:50 (so, I have to get up about 6:30), it ends at 2:40 and THEN we get 3-4 hours, sometimes more, of homework. These teachers appearently think that we have no lives. Then, when we're too tired to do our homework, or go to do something fun, our teachers wonder why we didn't do it. Well, gee, homework vs. going to the mall, which one's gonna win?
What? They say now that it's time for me to go?! NO!!! *grabs onto the table leg* NO!! I DON'T WANNA GO!!! PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME GO TO SCHOOL!!!!
It's torture, I tell you, torture. Work day and night with little sleep and horrible food. *shudder* I'm dreading tomorrow with avengence.
Well, I have to go. I'm tasting my last night of freedom tonight before they send me back to jail.

"As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in public schools"


"You know, when I was your age, I had to walk twenty miles just to get to school. And back then, we didn't have pacifiers. We had to suck on pieces of wood. And in my day, we didn't have TV sets. We used to sit on our grandpa's lap all evening and listen politely to his entertaining stories."

Arik - to all Http:// Tue Aug 31 12:43:52 PDT 1999

Hello all, how are you on this "sad" for kids.... comming back to school.

strange, in my time kids where so happy to come back to school. "the kids of today.. not as they used to be" ;-).

Rachel Tue Aug 31 11:29:26 PDT 1999

Kat - Nope, a mum can't love her children too much. I used to feel like you. I can remember crying the first time I left each of my children at school. I would go home and just bawl, because my baby had grown up (kind of dumb,eh)?
I used to work outside the home and it was awful. I only saw my son for about 2 hours a day, and it was his grumpy time. I would wake him up in the morning, give him breakfast take him to daycare and then my husband would pick him up. I would get home at 6:00ish and my little one would be miserable and ready for bed. I would kiss him goodnight have a quick snuggle and that was about all the interaction I got for the first year and a half of my sons life.
Don't feel bad at all for loving your children. It is wonderful. Ah and on the hug thing. Mine are 16, 10, 8, and 6 and they still want millions of hugs.
Take care you

All - Sorry to blah, blah on the notebook, but my e-mail is acting up today.

Katarina Tue Aug 31 10:50:31 PDT 1999

Rachel: You are ever so affirming. Thank you. I need the positive in my life right now.

Re: Your children going back to school. I hear mothers singing all over when it is time for school to start, but I can't relate yet. I am still wanting to hold mine and keep them from growing up. Also, I am not at home during the day so I miss, miss, miss them. They are little for such a short time and the lovey hugs fade fast. Can you love your children too much? Sometimes I think I do...

Rachel Tue Aug 31 09:46:57 PDT 1999

Hi all!

Well, I just had to post a note to share my excitement with all of you! YES, YES, YES! My children will be back to school in a few short days (I sing and dance) For that matter they sing and dance as well. They miss their friends and the endless soccer games that are a part of their every day.
Soon I will be back to old routines for my writing. It will be so nice not to have to get up at the crack of dawn if I want to get any serious writing done.
That said, I have to admit that I sometimes find it difficult to write if my house is too quiet. I guess I am just used to being surrounded by the noise of my family. I know that I will miss them terribly for the first week or so.
Hockey season is fast approaching. I think my son's first practice is in about two weeks time. Dance, and music lessons. All this is on its way. Hum, have to admit it will be nice.
Take care all

Rachel Tue Aug 31 09:07:55 PDT 1999

Kat - Good to see you back. Frustrated is fine (smiles).
Take care you

Kat again Tue Aug 31 06:18:44 PDT 1999

I don't know what happened there. Sometimes I keyboard too fast for my own good!

Here are my favs:

"Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us." Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead

"The certainty of misery is better than the misery of uncertainty." Pogo

Remember: if you leave cloths in the ironing pile long enough, you'll outgrow them, then you can sell them in a yard sale.

It is better to have old, secondhand diamonds, than none at all. Mark Twain

Smoking won't send you to hell. It will just make you smell like you've been there. R.E. Phillips

It isn't whether you win or lose. It's how you place the blame.

Enough for now....Ciao

Katarina Tue Aug 31 06:05:27 PDT 1999

Hi Everyone:

I am still alive. Got a little frustrated for a while there (is that allowed?)and backed away.

Nolan: I would be happy to look at your novel. I am not a professional edit or writer, but I would love to read it for you and give you my opinion.

Gary, Rachel - Thank you for the e-mails.

Alleine - Your "funnies" are hilarious. We use things like that for our screensavers at work. Here are a few of my fav

Martin Tue Aug 31 04:26:52 PDT 1999

Why the apocalypse was followed by the Creation

Yesterday happened something which beauty only is discovered after it was chastened by the shock. Like every Wednesday night I had an appointment with Sven for our weekly duel with shotting pool, as the boss was struck down by by a lightning of an idea: The air conditioning had a strong longing to bring happiness among mankind with fresh air, with the consequence that the installation had to be finished the same night. So it was - at nine p.m.!
There it went my pool-night; swept away with an intense wave of incredulity. I was shooken by an earthquake and anger erupted. My curses drove the angels from heaven and my raging extinguished the fires in hell. The following items took their first flying lesson: A screwdriver and pliers, a spool with rope and any pebble encountering my way. All that was joined by a wooden door with permanent havocs from kicking it
A peacefull stream rippled my blood.
I felt how the Creation tapped new sources of energy.

Wes, Rhoda, Howard - What do you think.


Tell me more about that Martin you mentioned, that sounds very fascinating. (no this is not Spock talking to you).


What plan do you see? The only thing I can see is chaos and coincidence.


Nolan Mon Aug 30 22:32:13 PDT 1999

Good day to all. I am Nolan a aspiring writer. I was just hoping someone can look over the beginning of my novel and tell me how it is going and any thing i should do to make it somewhat better. PLease post back or email me thank you!

Allein Mon Aug 30 20:21:15 PDT 1999

Americo - I got your e-mail but Hotmail decided to be very slow, so, I'll answer it here. Word was also being slow today so I'm going to try to figure out why and then get down to business editing my Shadows piece. I should have it ready to send to you in 3-7 days - hopefully.

Jon - Hi kitty. C'mon, I'll scratch you behind the ears. :)

Sqrl Mon Aug 30 19:50:42 PDT 1999

Allein- thanks, glad you received them pics.

Americo- I'm finishing up "S" It's just a matter of getting it typed up, and seeing if Allein with post it for me (again) sorry, for some reason my computer hasn't been letting me goto "S" so I've been relying on the kindness of others to put it up there for me!


Americo Mon Aug 30 17:48:40 PDT 1999

I'm happy to tell you that I've just received an e-mail from Xavier. He cannot reach the workbook and will send me his new additions by e-mail. If any other collaborator also has trouble getting to the round robin, e-mail me and he/she will be warmly welcome. So, probably we can count with our dear Xavier as a co-author of the final version as well.

JACK : tell the airplane commander (or whatever is piloting that plane of yours) that you need a brake from that flight. The notebook is full and therefore too slow!

NB. I may use the round robin slate to send urgent information for the Shadows people.

Americo Mon Aug 30 09:13:26 PDT 1999

Yes, Allein! That's the spirit.

And another thing : I am seriously consider your becoming the cover's illustrator (and the overall illustrator) of our wonderful novel! (Of course, that depends on the publisher, but, if I like your cover, I promise to ask him to use it. We all love you!)

Allein Mon Aug 30 09:03:15 PDT 1999

Americo - I've saved the edited version of my shadows work to Word and am currently working to make certain changes. Well, I tried anyway, but Word for some reason was being REALLY slow last night, so I gave up and will resume work today. :)

Americo Mon Aug 30 08:54:04 PDT 1999

Good morning, everybody!

Jack's still on his way to Australia. He's done everything to stand the boredom of a 18 and a half hour's flight. He read all his Spanish dictionary and kissed Fran at least tree times. Now he needs a shower. But he can't have a shower on an airplane! That's the 21th century, that's progress!

The only thing we can do to survive progress is to sleep. Have a nap, Jack.

In the meantime we, notebookers, have a problem. This page will become too slow soon. Reduce your messages to a minimum of words. Unless Jack manages to archive it and open a new one. From Australia! That would be progress.

The only thing we can do to survive progress is wake up and WRITE!

"Shadows in a Dream" will be ended in two day's time. It's already possible to guess who its co-authors will be. Rachel, Rhoda, Avatar, Sqrl, Allein, Jack, yours truly.

Unless there is a miracle and Cassandra, Xavier, Lena and Eddie post their 6,000 words. I'm sorry for them, if they can't. They'll be even more sorry than me when they'll find out they've lost the greatest chance in their lives to use the name of writers without blushing. Since I love them, I'm giving them the chance to e-mail me, in due time, and explain why they couldn't cooperate as they, directly or indirectly, promised.

Eddie's and Lena's case is more serious than the case of Xavier and Cassandra. The former were appointed co-editors and accepted. They haven't done enough to desere 21th century, that's progress!

The only thing we can do to survive progress is to sleep. Have a nap, Jack.

In the meantime we, notebookers, have a problem. This page will become too slow soon. Reduce your messages to a minimum of words. Unless Jack manages to archive it and open a new one. From Australia! That would be progress.

The only thing we can do to survive progress is wake up and WRITE!

"Shadows in a Dream" will be ended in two day's time. It's already possible to guess who its co-authors will be. Rachel, Rhoda, Avatar, Sqrl, Allein, Jack, yours truly.

Unless there is a miracle and Cassandra, Xavier, Lena and Eddie post their 6,000 words. I'm sorry for them, if they can't. They'll be even more sorry than me when they'll find out they've lost the greatest chance in their lives to use the name of writers without blushing. Since I love them, I'm giving them the chance to e-mail me, in due time, and explain why they couldn't cooperate as they, directly or indirectly, promised.

Eddie's and Lena's case is more serious than the case of Xavier and Cassandra. The former were appointed co-editors and accepted. They haven't done enough to deserve that honour. They will be dismissed in c. 48 hours.

Cassandra and Xavier deserve more attention. They really supported the project and wrote a lot. If they give me (or Rachel, our public relations agent) a good excuse, I am ready to accept their late contributions by e-mail (as will be the case of Jack, who, before embarking, sent me the outline of his story explaining why he could not publish it in the round robin — or more or less that — and of Allein, whose texts were considered indispensable and have already been edited, exceeding the word limit (more will be demanded of her, however, in the second round of this project).

More about "S" until it is published.
In the meantime, I would like to remind sci-fic. and fantasy writers that there are two other roundrobins going on in the Workbook. You do not expect me, a mainstream writer, to take care of those ...
Speaking of tragedies: I lost all the stuff I wrote in Brazil, including a re-write of my texts for "Shadows". My seven year-old notebook went kaputt. Depressed? Not really. I'll write everything again. However, a piece of advice to the worshippers of God Progress. Do not rely on It. Use it as better as you can but rely only on your brains and your heart.

Bill Richardson Sun Aug 29 22:51:38 PDT 1999

Give me the strength each day, to get through another day.
Give me hope, to dwell on things, worth dwelling on.
Give me all I ask for and I'll have nothing to look forward to!!

Allein Sun Aug 29 20:07:44 PDT 1999

Jon - ::holds out kitty treat, whistles:: Here kitty kitty kitty. I'll scratch you behind your ears too. I love kitties. I also love sqrlmunks - they're very tasty barbecued. :p

Rachel Sun Aug 29 19:42:37 PDT 1999

Hey all

Americo - I was dreaming, at least daydreaming (grins). I guess I haven't been into shadows since I left for camping. Ether way what is in there is new to me (grins).
Allein - Check your e-amil you! You'll find lots to read (grins and laughter).
Jon! Long time no see pussy cat. C'mon over here and let me give you a nice scrach behind your ears.
Take care all

Allein Sun Aug 29 18:56:05 PDT 1999

Hi everyone. :) I was gone Friday night and all of yesterday. Friday night I spent at a friend's house (notice how I say, spent the night - no mention of anyone getting any actual sleep)and yesterday I was at a carnival until midnight. So, today I was sleeping all day. I also made the stupid mistake of wearing my friend's high-heel boots to the carnival. Today, my feet and legs hurt whenever I move them. I'm in quite a bit of pain. Tomorrow, it's back to writing Shadows.

Rachel - I got your letter and Carling's. :)

JON Sun Aug 29 17:30:40 PDT 1999


I was ill for some time and could not send any messages to you, miserable humans. But I am well now and here I am, scratching you all over your pale skins. BTW, I need to have my fur cut. Pussy, the other cat you know, sends you kisses.

Jon the cat

Americo Sun Aug 29 17:26:09 PDT 1999


Please check your e-mail. It's urgent.

Rachel! You must be dreaming. I can't see anything new in the workbook. Have I gone blind? Oh, no, not now that I am again in my lovely — and dangerous! — den.

Notebookers, arise. Wake up. Shout something.

Jack: oh, Jack, you are flying over the ocean. I hope you find some nice Macintosh in Australia to send us a little message from time to time. We miss you. Well, take advantage of the moment — everybody must be sleeping on that airplane — and kiss Fran from us. AAARGH!!! (Well done, Jack, just another time. )

Rachel Sun Aug 29 16:53:23 PDT 1999

Hi all
Shadows people - Wow!
Take care all

Gariess Sat Aug 28 22:43:46 PDT 1999

Greetings to all,

I hope to hear some thoughts from you on a particular question that confronts me at times.

I have nearly finished reading the latest Patricia Cornwell mystery novel, Black Notice. Since I began reading (so many years ago,) I have not come across a book containing so many printing errors. I noticed early on that the errors are of the kind that are made when writing on, or making changes on a word processor. I expect people here will know the sort of thing I mean. I recognize these from having done so many myself. A typical example might be where one changes a word or phrase and then neglects to delete the part that was fixed. Ie: "This seemed to be was the last time such an image showed."

It appears to me that Cornwell may have submitted computer copies of the work to the publisher, which I am sure is the common practice today, and the publisher printed directly from the recorded material (which I would hope is not the common practice.) Of course I wasn't there, but however this kind of thing happens, it seems that today's production of a novel from start to finish is leaving some important work undone. I can't be the only one who rankles at the flow of reading being interrupted by stride breaking, messed up sentences.

Cornwell is easily in the six million dollar per book bracket of present day top writers. The publishers, I have no doubt, are profiting accordingly. Why is there, in this process, so little respect for the reader that a fifteen dollar per hour job of cleaning up the text can't be afforded?

It used to be that one could read the most humble work of fiction and not want to bet on finding a single typo from page one to the end. Now the smart money would not risk a few pages of a book at the top of the Best Seller list.

So, what do you say folks? You want to dance?



Americo Sat Aug 28 15:37:31 PDT 1999

Now that the "Shadows" project is coming to a close (September 1), I notice that no one has taken advantage so far of the week's extension given to its deadline.

This, and other disappointments, makes me invite you all to a serious discussion of the interest, possibilities and validity of collective writing. Some of my friends keep asking me several questions. Here are three of them:

1. As editor, what kind of difficulties will you find when the co-authors of the book see that their texts or part of them will have to be deleted, amended, corrected, reordered, etc. — so that the book becomes as publishable as possible;

2. Why waste so much precious time and energy (I have been working on Shadows for over six months) with a project which will have great difficulties to be published;

3. And what will you do if you see your ideas, or texts, etc., published here, become plagiarized or stolen in a way or another?

I intend to keep my promise and spend the two or three next months trying to make of the about 350 pages we have posted on the round robin a publishable book. What kind of support are you, people, prepared to give me?

Is it possible to discuss the topic "collaborative writing" in this forum?

I am looking forward to answers and reactions.

Allein Fri Aug 27 15:31:04 PDT 1999

Sqrl - I got your picture in the mail today. Very cute. :)

More funnies. :D

Wake up a smile in your face with theseone-liners guaranteed to crack a grin ;-)

Two wrongs don't make a right, but two Wrights made an airplane.

Kids in the back seat cause accidents;accidents in the back seat cause kids.

Problem with the gene pool ...... no lifeguard.

Some days it just doesn't pay to gnaw through the straps...

Living on Earth is expensive,but it does include a free trip around the sun.

Never knock on Death's door: Ring the doorbell and run (he hates that).

I can resist anything but temptation

All good things in moderation ..... including moderation

I don't have a problem with willpower It's won't power I have a problem with

When you're finally holding all the cards,
why does everyone else decide to play chess?

Life is sexually transmitted.

Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive, anyway.

Arik to all Http:// Fri Aug 27 13:41:22 PDT 1999

Hello all, how are you?

I have a notebook in my page, so I thought maybe you all wanna come and chat in it? there are nice people there... sometimes ;). so in case yopu wanna come to there its: Http:// then press on "fantasy chat".

Sagebrush Fri Aug 27 09:13:10 PDT 1999

Howdy all, interesting that you should be speaking of my old friend George Custer. George was certianly a very interesting person, and his wife Libby was a wonderful woman. George did in the end brought upon himself the terriable defeat, in his quest for political possition. His attack upon the great gathering of Indians was indeed as foolhardy as it was brave. George felt that there were no indians whom he could not defeat, given the chance, and he knew that if he could accomplish a great victory, his chance at the presidency of these great United States would be enhanced.
When they left Fort Lincoln so many years ago, he and his men, fresh from victory in the Black Hills of Dakota were confident that this mission would be one of glory. By the time they reached the Little Big Horn, many had doubts. A few hours latter, the world knew of his great defeat. Today many feel that Custer got what he deserved, but in fact, he brought upon the great indian nations, the destruction of thier culture, and their imprisonment upon the reservations made up of some of the poorest lands in the US.

Sorry for the rambeling on.

Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.


Rachel Fri Aug 27 08:41:34 PDT 1999

Hi all

Jack - Hi you! I know you'll get your shadows done. I love puns (grins)! Most important of all. Take care of Fran and yourself and have fun and pack well, and, and, and...
Take care you!

Gary - Thanks (smile). Love hugs (big smile).

Allein - I shuld be home tomorrow. Today I am just doing a fly by. I have to make some business calls (I cross my eyes and make a face). I hate work!
When I get home I'll see what I can do to help - send me whatcha got! Oh, I'll be home tomorrow, I think (grins).

Take care all

Americo - Hi you!

Gary S Thu Aug 26 20:01:08 PDT 1999

Rhoda and Americo,

File under apocryphal anecdotes: I recall hearing that Castilian Spanish came about as a result of a speech impediment. The way it was supposed to have happened was the King at the time had a rather distinct lisp. Since the Kings pronunciation of the language could not be brought into question, it was decreed that this characteristic was to be made the standard of the land. I am sorry that my history learning has been so anecdotal that I don't recall the King or for that matter even the century. Perhaps someone else can tell us.

These kinds of stories always make me glad I wasn't born in the old days. Just imagine, "Okay everybody, repeat after me. 'I pledge allegianth to the flag of the United Thtateth of America.


That is an impressive eMail adress for a writer to have. I doubt that I could get one like that locally. The best around here, I think, is:

Ah, well, If it weren't for all the codfish on those Grand and glorious Banks, my ancestors would have stayed in Portugal and I could be fixing nets for a living or stepping on grapes. I very much doubt that I come from other than peasant stock. My uncle John used to say, "We've always been peasants here. Why would we have been something else there?

Hugs, Allein and Rachel

Gary S

Allein Thu Aug 26 19:52:09 PDT 1999

Americo - Dried Bananas, sounds yummy. I haven't worked anymore on Shadows because I haven't had the time today. I might be able to work on it a little bit tomorrow (if my brother will let me anywhere near the computer), Saturday I'll be gone all day (Carnival - YAY!!!)but after Saturday, I can work my butt off. I have several ideas, but don't really know where to start.

Rachel - see above. HELP!!!

Now,it's Thursday, but I know some of you are planing a great weekend. In the spirit of being prepared here is a list of excuses for not showing up at work on Monday

I can't come in to work today because I'll be stalking my previous boss, who fired me for not showing up for work. OK?

When I got up this morning, I took two Ex-lax in addition to my Prozac. I can't get off the john, but I feel good about it.

I can't come to work today because the EPA has determined that my house is completely surrounded by wetlands and I have to arrange for helicopter transportation.

If it is all the same to you I won't be coming in to work.

The voices told me to clean all the guns today.

I have a rare case of 48-hour projectile leprosy,
but I know we have that deadline to meet....

Constipation has made me a walking time bomb.

I just found out that I was switched at birth.
Legally, I shouldn't come to work knowing my employee records may now contain false information.

The psychiatrist said it was an excellent session. He even gave me this jaw restraint so I won't bite things when I am startled.

The dog ate my car keys. We're going to hitchhike to the vet.

I prefer to remain an enigma.

I set half the clocks in my house ahead an hour and the other half back an hour Saturday and spent 18 hours in some kind of space-time continuum loop, reliving Sunday (right up until the explosion). I was able to exit the loop only by reversing the polarity of the power source exactly elog
(pi) on all the clocks in the house while simultaneously rapping my dog on the snout with a rolled up Times.
Accordingly, I will be in late, or early.

Hope that tickled your funny bone.
Allein :)

A quarter goes a long way now. You can carry it around for
days without finding a thing it will buy.
-- Anonymous

The Old Man Thu Aug 26 19:02:27 PDT 1999

Greetings and felicitations,

It's good to see that the flair-up was just that.
As you can see, I now have E-mail.
If you would like to talk, just drop me a line.

" and learn from fools and from sages..." Steven Tyler (Aerosmith)

Sqrl Thu Aug 26 18:14:04 PDT 1999

*blush* umm, I didn't quite make it! (the deadline) For some reason the puter WOULDN'T let me onto "S" so I had Allein post for me (thanks again chica). and my time that I could spend on "S" was extremely limited! All I can do is HOPE that the Sept 1st applies to me. I just have some finishing touches and that would be the end of my segment! I just WON'T have access to a 'puter until Monday, night. I tried!


Americo Thu Aug 26 17:40:18 PDT 1999

Allein: Sorry, I did not mention the text of May 9. You've published 5 texts so far. Here are their first periods. The word count was correct.

It happens that I have already started editing and some texts are joined, making it somewhat difficult to know exactly how many they WERE and WHEN they were published. Dates will disappear in the final version. In order to find the exact number of your texts I had to check the round robin rather than my own working file. Please do not hesitate asking me whatever you like.
Mar 25 20:13:34 PST 1999
Alleine sighed as she put the last folded shirt into her suitcase.

May 9 19:53:33 PDT 1999
Alleine stepped off the plane and looked around the airport.

Jul 23 17:18:01 PDT 1999
Alleine stared at herself in the full length mirror in her hotel room.

Aug 6 18:04:15 PDT 1999
Alleine walked around New York city looking for something to do.

Aug 24 21:32:08 PDT 1999
Alleine enjoyed herself somewhat skating with Dr. Kirk but couldn't help but remember that he was mysterious and she had to watch out.

A different matter: I found out in Brazil that dried banana looks like chocolate, tastes like chocolate and has NOT so many calories as real chocolate. Much better for one's figure. I love dried bananas!

Allein Thu Aug 26 15:51:44 PDT 1999

Americo - Thanks, I think you might have missed one text, but I think the word count is also pretty accurate.

Americo Thu Aug 26 12:30:57 PDT 1999


You have posted 4 texts in "Shadows":

1- Mar 25 20:13:34 PST 1999
2- Jul 23 17:18:01 PDT 1999
3- Aug 6 18:04:15 PDT 1999
4- Aug 24 21:32:08 PDT 1999

This gives c. 3700 words of unedited text.

Please let me know if I missed any of your additions. The word counting was done my Word98 for Macintosh and only Bill Gates can be blamed for it ...
I do not know his e-mail address for you to complain in case there is any error :—)

PS: The "i" in Aline is read ee as in meet or me

Gary : Writers are strange musicians. They can hear sounds even in silent words or lips...

Rhoda : You asked me some time ago if I knew Castilian. I cannot write it or speak it but I read it easily.

Gary S Wed Aug 25 22:03:34 PDT 1999


I like that one about "Old Yellow Hair." You could add that the velvet was also badly perforated. Maybe the Sioux were just enforcing the armies regulations for them in a rather unmistakable fashion. You think? No. I don't either, really.


Stay dry. And here is a hug. One for Allein too.


Gary S Wed Aug 25 21:47:28 PDT 1999

This is maddening. I wrote out that fool post two hours ago. I logged into eBay to do some business and when I come back the post is not here. So I make a new one as best I can, and what happens? Poof! The new post and the old post magically appear, again. It seems this board will either post my message twice, or not at all. And if it takes a notion to. It will post it after I make another.

Dirty Rackenfraks!!!

Gary Ass.

That's what George Carlin said you could only say if you rode one up a hill on Sunday.

Gay S Wed Aug 25 21:34:04 PDT 1999


I read your posts in a Portuguese accent, my mind just does that automatically. I have been reading a new mystery wherin there is an American speaking with French people and I can't stop my "ear" from giving the Yank a French accent with the others.

Rhoda, I read both our posts carefully to be sure of my response. It really doesn't seem that there is much about which we disagree. More like we agree ten times and diverge once when it comes to how we expect to achieve what we want. Bless you, you want harmony and would pay a price higher than I would to have it. I think you are the better of us for it. You are a pacifist and I am too old and have been too many times to the line to claim such a thing.

I would not wish, myself, that people had thicker skin. I do have. I am an old alligator and I would not wish the same on anyone. If such sweet beings as Allein or Rachel had thicker skin they would never be the same nor would this Notebook be, for their being here.

In principal, I suppose, when I am tossed into the air I will not likely come down on the side of censorship. Consider that as volatile a subject as religion is, what if a member felt that s/he couldn't post work that contained an element of religion. or could not discuss the work? I feel that such a thing diminishes the free atmosphere that is here in the Forum.

Gadzooks! I feel a great need to lighten up.

What do you say Rhoda, you want to dance? How about something very Brasilian. Bossa Nova? Argentina! Tango!
"Don't cry for me Mississippi! Ya da ta da da. Ta dum dum da dum!"



Allein Wed Aug 25 21:16:40 PDT 1999

A lawyer named Strange died,
and his friend asked the tombstone maker to inscribe on his tombstone,
"Here lies Strange, an honest man, and a lawyer."
The inscriber insisted that such an inscription would be confusing,
for passersby would tend to think thatthree men were buried under the stone.
However he suggested an alternative: He would inscribe,
"Here lies a man who was both honest and a lawyer.
"That way, whenever anyone walked by the tombstone and read it,
they would be certain to remark:"That's Strange!"

Just a joke to make you laugh today. :)

Allein Wed Aug 25 19:57:36 PDT 1999

Americo - Glad to see you back. I didn't work anymore on Shadows today, but I posted more yesterday - about 1,600 more words. Today I was visiting friends and now I have a spliting headache and I feel lousy so, I'm not really in the mood to write. But, since Rachel gave me until next Wednesday, I should get finished soon. Could you please do a word count to see how much more I need to write? Sqrl, Rachel and I all did word counts but came up with different numbers. I can send you what I have so far by e-mail. About the name - I like it, but I'll have to give it a bit more thought because I like the name Alleine.

Whatever I was going to say, I really can't right now because I feel terrible and am soon going to bed.
Good night.

Against Army regulations, George Armstrong Custer often wore a
blue velvet uniform......After his last battle, it was more like crushed velvet.

At 101, Larry Lewis ran the 100 yard dash in 17.8 seconds
setting a new world record for runners 100 years old orolder...
...Boy, put them on a track they go crazy, but put them on the
highway and they go 4 mph with the left turn signal on.

Gary S Wed Aug 25 19:44:46 PDT 1999


I just read through both our posts quite carefully, and what surprises is me is how little there is on which we disagree. It does seem I am guilty of intolerance to your (presumed) intolerance.

Now, I certainly don't mean that I expect us to disagree; I simply note that I called for folks to look a bit longer when they think censorially about the forum. I mention religion as the most likely topic to set off an exchange of artillery. And as I alluded, most talk radio stations won't even let their hosts permit the subject on the air, it is so volatile.

Still, suppose a member should want to post or dicuss some work that includes a deep (or not so deep) element of religion. It seems as likely to invite controversy in this regard as though someone had just spoken some opinion apropos of nothing in particular. Even considering the risk involved, I hate to see us discourage a member from presenting heart-felt and honest writing. There would, in fact, never be a guarantee that any topic could not start a conflict.

Here in the Notebook, which is a place for which we both apparently have stong protective sentiments (maybe too much so) we both agree ten times about how we want to protect it and only diverge on a point of how it might be best done.

I am sympathetic to your distaste for strife. I am sure everyone is. Perhaps you are the best of us for it. I may be too old and have been too long at the line, at times, to profess a propensity for pacifism, but peace is my first choice, none-the-less, and I prefer a placid Notebook on any given day to turbulent one. I suppose we differ on the "price" of peace. After all, almost everyone does in the world outside the Forum. Perhaps you fear too much and I not enough, I think it is too hard to know which.

It makes me a bit said to hear you say that maybe people should have thicker skins. Sad, only because your concern would be so deep as to wish people to be what they are not. Just because I am an old alligator, it hardly means I would wish the same on someone like Allein or Rachel. Such sweet people would never be the same with thicker skin. Just as I would not with thinner. So I know you don't really mean it. I suppose I should say that if I am tossed into the air, I will not likely come down on the side of censorship. That really is all that I can guarantee.

Gadzooks! I feel a great need to lighten up. I noticed someone said something about Hayden when I scrolled by, I might go see what that was, now.

So what do you say, Rhoda, you want to dance?


Americo Wed Aug 25 18:10:54 PDT 1999

Avatar: Do not worry about the typos. I'll correct them for you and you'll see your texts edited and in the most convenient order for the book. Then you can add whatever you think adequate. My e-mail will be at the disposal of the co-authors for more additions if they like (or if they will be asked to). This deadline thing has only one purpose: to gather enough material to edit a coherent book and also to know who are the people really interested in collaborating in a project with beginning, middle and end. The project will be more dynamic than it seems (I hope)

Jack: thanks for your addition.

Jack Beslanwitch Wed Aug 25 16:44:25 PDT 1999

Rachel: I am absolutely running to try to juggle finishing up getting ready for Australia, doing professional duties and getting my last bits for Shadow done. I have added another installment for the agent. I hope to finish him off, pun intended, before midnight tonight or a bit after. Take care.

Avatar Wed Aug 25 15:20:16 PDT 1999

Americo- I very STRONGLY think I'm gonna need a rewrite. Typos flourish in my work. ;) I'll go by what you want though.
Where's Jon? ;)


Avatar Wed Aug 25 14:56:03 PDT 1999

Alleine- I am alive (so far) This is cruel and unusual punishment to make us go to a place by law. However- there are some good things about it!
Cheerin' ya' on girl!!

Martin- That's a threat? Somehow, I don't quite see it as you do. Maybe if I turn it sideways... ;)

Hiiiii Keeeeeennn!!!

Rachel- I won't change the plotline. I just want to include the Chelsea and other writers more into it.

Americo- Is it okay, if we are editing our own work to submit later, to go past the extension? I have a disk from the library with my work, but it will only go on a Windows' 98 and mine is a 3.0 so I can't work on it at home. Up to you how you want to do it.

Sqrl- You're back! Yeeeaaa!! Hope you make the evil deadline ;)

Arik- Congrats boyo. Say hello to Miri for me.

I think...therefore I am
(did I get that right?)
Later all

Rachel Wed Aug 25 14:55:14 PDT 1999

AMERICO! Hi you - See yah in a few days.

Martin Wed Aug 25 13:50:59 PDT 1999

Loch Ness
You are in love? Great!
I hope you fell in love with words

Last time you wrote something about friendship you wrote:
I love do be your friend very, very, very much. I hope I can be in the future.
That’s a threat.
All I was curious about was, if you are aware of that fact.

I usualy do not repeat. But for those a little slow I will make an exception:

The meaning of life is never to have the need to ask what the meaning of life is!

And since I got the taste for repeating:
Why don’t you all read Umberto Eco’s An Introduction to Semiotic first?
You would became better comunicators instantly or after 432 pages.

Since you guys all seem to be afraid of the bad guy rol, I take it! (small smile)

NOw I know how you feel!

That free thing is a joke...
I almost got shot for making fun out of the word Shadow.


Americo Wed Aug 25 13:35:46 PDT 1999

Hello, everybody!

I am back home! Rather sleepy and "jet laggy" but home!

I have a lot of mail to read and enjoy. That will take me some time, I guess (grins)!

So Rachel, in her infinite generosity, has granted a week's extension to the Shadows-people. Fine. That will be final of course.

Allein: Glad you managed! I haven't read your text yet but I saw it and it smelled good. As you know I love you tenderly. Well, you deserve it. You are our heroine. I have a little question for you: would you mind to be called ALINE in "Shadows" rather then Alleine? Aline is a beautiful Brazilian name.

Jack: I almost died of boredom in the Airbus 310 that took me from Fortaleza to Lisbon (with a stop in Recife). The only way not to jump from the airplane was to read a big dictionary looking for all words associated with movement. The dictionary was also good for me to rest my swollen feet on it. I recommend that to you in your trip to Australia. What is good reading on an airplane? Nice topic for discussion I guess.

I would like to thank Rachel for her excellent job as co-editor of "Shadows". And you do not know half of the story . And I will probably not tell it to you. Just know that she is the greatest Canadian writer in the world!

And now, I have a lot of work to do — for us all!

I love you.

Rachel Wed Aug 25 12:18:54 PDT 1999

Hi all

Well, I guess I am on my way back to the forest for more camping (grins).
We have dried out all of our stuff and purchased a couple of big tarps and enough rope to tie up, well, to tie up tarps (grins and laughter)
The camping boxes are ready. We all are dry and we will make the second attempt!
Wish us luck!
Take care all

PS - Yes I am packing boots and jackets this time.

Arik to all Wed Aug 25 11:46:08 PDT 1999

Hello all, WOW thats a lot of comments for such a short massage :-).

well, her name is Miri, I know its not a very popular name but I think its nice...

how are ou all?

Rachel Wed Aug 25 10:39:01 PDT 1999

Hi Katrina - You are not a nuisance.
Take care

Allein Wed Aug 25 09:38:30 PDT 1999

And now for all the chocoholics out there. *grin*


If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're
eating it too slowly.

Chocolate covered raisins, cherries, orange slices and
strawberries all count as fruit, so eat as many as you want.

The problem: How to get 2 pounds of chocolate home from thestore in a hot car.
The solution: Eat it in the parking lot.

Diet tip: Eat a chocolate bar before each meal. It'll take
the edge off your appetite, and you'll eat less.

If calories are an issue, store your chocolate on top of the
fridge. Calories are afraid of heights, and they will jump out of the chocolate to protect themselves.

If I eat equal amounts of dark chocolate and white chocolate, is that a balanced diet? Don't they actually counteract each other?

Money talks. Chocolate sings. Beautifully.

Chocolate has many preservatives. Preservatives make you look younger. Therefore, you need to eat more chocolate.

Put "eat chocolate" at the top of your list of things to do
today. That way, at least you'll get one thing done.

A nice box of chocolates can provide your total daily intake
of calories in one place. Now, isn't that handy?

If you can't eat all your chocolate, it will keep in the
freezer. But if you can't eat all your chocolate, what's wrong with you?

If not for chocolate, there would be no need for control top
pantyhose. An entire garment industry would be devastated.
You can't let that happen, can you?

I know there are plenty of chocoholics here - hope you enjoyed that little gem. :)

Katarina Wed Aug 25 08:53:30 PDT 1999

I FOUND IT! Now you won't hear from me for a while while I read, read, read...

Sorry to be such a nuisance.

Katarina Wed Aug 25 08:43:24 PDT 1999

You guys, I am so confused. Call me stupid, whatever, but help me out here. I was told to check out Shadows, which is a project you all are working on, but how do I get there?

I checked out the biographies. How interesting!!

Rachel Wed Aug 25 08:36:08 PDT 1999

Hey all

Katrina - Okay, so yah want to read Shadows (grins). First thing you need is a password to the workbook. If you don't have this then you will need to send Jack and e-mail and ask for one.
If you have the password then what you do is go to the workbook and then select roundrobins. This will bring up the roundrobins that are in progress. Then you would select "Shadows" From there you would need to go to the first slate. Well I guess you could start at the end and work your way to the beginning, or you could start in the middle, or well, whatever spins your wheels (grins and laughter).
Hope this helped. I will send you an e-mail later today. Oh and yes I think that all mothers do have the same blood type (grins).

Katarina Wed Aug 25 08:27:46 PDT 1999

Guys...tell where or how to get to Shadows. Someone recommended that I read it, but I can't find it. Call me stupid or whatever, but where is it?! E-mail me!

Rachel - looking forward to your e-mail. And thanks, Rhoda....don't all mothers have some type of bond? Some type of unspoken language between them? I would like to think so.

T.O.M. - The meaning of life? I think its fair game for a forum, but the important thing to remember is RESPECT.

Read the biographies and found them VERY interesting!! Being here is great.

Rachel Wed Aug 25 06:54:22 PDT 1999

Hi Allein - I think it is probably a good idea to go with your word count on this one (grins) So, so, very sorry (laughter). I am so excited that you have been able to get your writing for Shadows back into a bit of a flow (I grab your hands and dance you in a circle till you are very, dizzy)! Have fun with it Allein!
Take care you

Gary - I'll be going into the workbook to have a look for your text and will drop you a line.

Hey all - Does anybody else have any wonderful words on humor in writing? T.O.M.? I bet you have some insights. I always enjoy your posts. I will bet Americo would have something to say (grins). Hayden certainly seemed to enjoy a good bit of humor. I know that SKS did. Jai as well. Pnokio too!

Take care all

Allein Tue Aug 24 22:24:33 PDT 1999

Arik - In love? I'm so happy...they grow up so fast...*wipes away a tear* Don't mind me - I'm just the crazy person.

Americo - Welcome home. ((((((BIGGEST HUG IN THE UNIVERSE - A HUG TO OUT HUG ALL OTHER HUGS)))))) Eh, you know what I mean. :) I just added about 1,600 words to Shadows. :)

Rachel - I sent you an e-mail. :)

Well, hugs to all.

"Cinderella got to wear glass slippers thanks to a lousy
translator. In the original version, she wore squirrel fur
slippers, but the translator goofed...
...Kind of makes you wonder what kind of shoes Dorothy was originally wearing."

Hmmm...squirrel fur...wonder if there's a sqrl I could get fur from. Guess I'll have to settle for a sqrlmunk. ::grin::

Rachel Tue Aug 24 21:24:38 PDT 1999

Hi all

Well, so much for my camping trip (grins and laughter). The rain hit late this afternoon. We stuck it out for a time and had a lot of fun, but once all the shivering set in we decided we had better head for home.
T.O.M. - Feel free to tell me abut the meaning of life as you perceive it. I'm always interested in these sort of things.
Ken - Welcome
Gary - I am laughing
Allein - You go girl! Uh, er, I will do another word count (grins)
Xavier - Go, go, go (yes I am doing a cheer leading dance over here - grins).
Katrina - I'll send you an e-mail and bore you silly with the details of my life (grins and laughter).
Hey Arik! - In love! Yikes! Be afraid! Be very, very afraid!!!!! Naw, just kidding, I'm happy for yah.
Avatar - Only do a re-write if you really want to. I mean, I'm doing one because I was asked to. I figure it's a shame to scrap your story line. I happen to like it. I have in fact written three different lines where I try to jump in, but it just doesn't sound quite right. Would you like me to forward them to you? I could, so long as you promise not to laugh.
Jack - I'm excited about your story line. I can't wait to get a read of it.
Rhoda - My story for Shadows is more or less done. I have met all the reuqirements and have all ready gone the way of the re-write, which also has it deadlines (grins). Yes, I have met the deadlines.
I may still add more to Shadows. After all I guess the extension applies to me to (great big grin).
Take care all

PS - Sorry for the long, long super long post

Americo - WELCOME BACK!!!!!!!! (Yah, yah I know it's probably a little early, but I know you'll be back soon - great big smile - hugs, hugs, hugs)

Rachel Tue Aug 24 21:12:30 PDT 1999

The Old Man Tue Aug 24 20:47:31 PDT 1999

Ladies and gentlemen,

It is enough for me that you are thinking of more than you were a while ago. Do not allow anything that I propose to churn to a lather.

I too, loathe arguments, especially on subjects that have no arguments.

When I post again, I will have aquired an E-mail address. This will allow for personal discussion.

Gary S., Well said. But...I must defer to Rhoda's experience. I have no wish to turn friend from friend. It is not my purpose.

Rhoda, Your point is well taken. It is a scurrying thing that sneaks into peace and creates turmoil. My intention is the opposite. I will converse in another medium to any who would discuss it. I must say though, that I was a little taken aback by the phrase, "...your take on..." The truth is absolute. To speak it, in all it's honesty, does not invite opinions. It is what it is.

"Feed your brain..." the Doormouse.


Rhoda Tue Aug 24 20:09:32 PDT 1999


I claim no editorial privledge here. Discuss whatever you like. It certainly is not for me to determine that. True, topics in themselves are in no way harmful and insulting, but most honest and sincere people cannot help but have very strong feelings about matters they hold dear. I have been through several of these discussions and a few have led to hard feelings. Consider the fact that wars have been waged on seemingly minor issues by seemingly reasonable people. We all hope that we are too high-minded and too emotionally mature for such antics, but human nature is what it is.

I admit that people should have thicker skins and should not take too much to heart what they read on a writer's forum, but that isn't always the way things work out.

I like to hear what others think about the big issues of life. I love to be open about what I feel and think on these things, but I find oftentimes when I put them in writing on a forum, they are oftentimes misconstrued. That is irritating. Of course it could mean that I am not as good a writer and communicator as I like to think I am.

Jack has given us a wide latitude for self-expression, and I appreciate that. I'll let him set any bounderies and limits he wishes to impose.

Talk on. Be as free and open as you wish. Solve all the world's problems and answer all of life's questions to your heart's delight. I am open for whatever anyone wishes to bring up.

I am afraid that I greatly love harmony. I want everyone to get along. I hate conflict. Yet I realize that conflict and differences of opinion are necessary in life. At the same time there is a time and a place where these sensitive and tender issues should be addressed. I just question whether the Notebook is such a place. There are many places on the web where people discuss controversial issues all the time. A couple of years ago I hung out at such places, and I know too well what such discussions often degenerate into.

Ignore Rhoda's jaded insight. Perhaps I am wrong. If so I will be pleasantly surprised.


Gary S Tue Aug 24 18:41:07 PDT 1999


I would be glad to hear the meaning of life from you. I already saw the movie, though.

To anyone who would take an editorial stance toward what topics are acceptable in this forum I would say that there is very little that isn't grist for the writers mill. It doesn't seem a good idea to declare a topic off limits because the discussion might get someone too excited and risk hostility. It seems like saying, if we keep away from the water nobody will drown, or even get wet.

I talked to a local radio host and he told me the only topic that his station warns their people not to get into is Religion. This is something that I am told has caused discord in this forum. I think, in final analysis, it illustrates that people, and not topics, start fights. Words don't kill writers; writers kill writers. The gun thing.

Good luck to all Shadows people. I feel like a man watching the finish of a horse race.

Go Shadows! Go Shadows!


Sqrl Tue Aug 24 17:54:17 PDT 1999


Arik: Conga-rats! so who is this mysterious being?

As for Kitten, I am sad to conform the rumors . . . she most likely will NOT be able to finish. Her scheg has been wrose than mine! We had this great idea planed out, something grand between our two charicters, but . . . *grumble* she said it would most likely NOT happen! She won't be on-line until next week, I believe (don't quote me on this), she can't move in to the dorm for a few more days, and has tons of packing to do. Sqrlly Girl here, has Orientation crap to take care of, and won't have access to a puter until Monday night! (unless I hi-jack one ::evil grin::) I will be posting tonight on "S", possibly my final post, I will try to make it good. If Kitten CAN add, I'll get her to, and we can have that grand finalle! :-D


it's off to "S" I go!

Rhoda Tue Aug 24 16:45:28 PDT 1999

The Old Man,

I would love to ask you your take on the meaning of life. I enjoy these types of conversations when they are conducted in a spirit of mutual respect.

We have had these discussions here before, and they tend to lead to much controversy, misunderstanding, and sometimes hurt feelings. Many of us have concluded that the Notebook is not a proper forum for this topic. This is not to say that many of us here do not have definite ideas or that we lack interest. We just have decided that this is a writing forum and we cannot do justice to highly philosophical and religious ideas here.

We are all individuals and writers, and our deepest sentiments and ideals are reflected in our writing.


Welcome to the Notebook. So far we have had no Barbies post here, so you are safe.


Good to have another mother on the Notebook. I have three children myself--11, 8 and 5. There is much creative energy here, but not in the form of fossil fuel or gaseous substance. By and large we run on illumination--light energy, the purest of all. No green house gases, no messy break-down products, and no hot air.

I started another novel. Now I am working on two simultaneously. Is this a good idea? When I was on vacation, I got this wonderful idea for the opening scene of a novel. I just had to write it down. How many people here do work on more than one project at a time? I am curious.

Happy writing!


Ken- but not the barbie Tue Aug 24 16:13:38 PDT 1999

Wow, what am I doing here. This is where the pros. hang. I don't even know what i am going to say (or type). However if I did i would say (ot type) it all the time. Not even take time out to think I would just say it(or type it).
I looked down the line and read most of what i saw,and just thought...Most of the people in here know what they are doing. Most of the people in here are writing to other people, and can do it pretty fast. Nope not me.


Jack Beslanwitch Tue Aug 24 16:11:57 PDT 1999

Allein and Americo: I am going to do my level best to have my input to Shadows reach the necessary content. I have Sid and Nancy rented and am viewing it to nail down some details that I wanted to add. The ghost of Nancy is going to play a crucial role in what happens to be drugged out homicidal/suicidal agent. If that is not enough a teaser I do not know what is. At any rate, I am hoping to have him in, interreacting and doing his worst before he makes his curtain call by tomorrow night. I have allowed myself tonight and tomorrow to write and then immerse myself back into my commercial web contract and get that nailed down before leaving for Australia.

My biggest concern is making sure I have internet connectivity in Australia. I tried AOL and found them woefully unacceptable. So, I am pawing the earth trying to come up with an alternative. If any Australians have suggestions please contact me privately. I suppose once I get there I can squirrel up a provider, but was hoping for having it in place before. Take care.

Allein Tue Aug 24 14:05:43 PDT 1999

Avatar - Hopefully with this week long extension (thanks Rachel :D) I will get all my stuff in. So far I have 3,130 words (by my count - I don't know how Rachel's counting, but I sure hope that her count is right and mine is wrong. But, that means that I just wrote 1000 words in about an hour so, if I stick to my ideas and go at this rate, I should be okay. Don't worry about me. :) By the way - I'll miss you when you're gone - 16 hrs. :( I still have eight days.

Arik - glad to see you back. :) *hugs*

Well, it's ta-ta for now - gotta work on Shadows some more. :)

Avatar Tue Aug 24 13:43:55 PDT 1999

That's great Arik! Um, who or what with? ;)

Rachel! I don't know what to do next! AHHHHHH!!!!
Okay, what I'm gonna do is follow your lead and rewrite the entire thing, submitting it to either you or Americo. Feel free to put anything in. I don't mind conforming to people in this case. Is that okay with you two?

Xavier- I'm going to cry. -sniff- Thank you very much.

Martin- I want you to know that I don't want a quarrel with you. So please do not post to me with a somewhat evil intent again. And if you have a problem with the way I saw it, that's the way it looked to me.

Allein- Hope you get it in in time.

School starts tomorrow. I have 16 hours to live.

I am feeling sad about the way I have been acting lately. And if I did anything to hurt anyone here, I'm really, really sorry.

Later all

P. S. I like this poem for some reason. Enjoy!

I'm nobody! Who are you?
Are you nobody, too?
Then there's a pair of us--don't tell!
They'd advertise--you know!

How dreary to be somebody!
How public like a frog
To tell one's name the livelong day
To an admiring bog!

Emily Dickinson

The Old Man Tue Aug 24 13:37:57 PDT 1999

Greetings and felicitations,

A grand and hardy welcome to the fresh faces.

It is a good day for me. I have been pondering the Oracle at Delphi, and have wondered how it was that so few people used her services...

When I came to this illustrious page, I offered nothing short of the meaning of life to any here who would ask. It has been over four weeks, and still none have been curious enough about things of that nature to query me.

The conclusion you have led me to is; People do not want to know about things that they percieve to be 'over their heads'. This does not mean that what I know is anything more than you know. It does not mean that you are less intelligent. It simply means that you 'percieve' such a thing as being more than you want to know...that your perception of the world is concrete and comfortable, you are afraid of what may change it.
I understand, and thank you for the experiment in logic.

On this page, I have found thinking people. I have found intelligence in it's clearest form. To rest ideas on paper is a labor that surpasses all others. Your thoughts and perceptions will live long beyond you and may not be appreciated until generations have passed and humankind has caught up with you.

I will remain a fixture here for some time, and will be here if any of you think you are ready to learn more.
(incedently, when I speak of higher truths, I do not necessarily invoke religion)

"There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreampt of in your philosophy." the Bard


Tue Aug 24 13:36:18 PDT 1999

You are born as an artist

You do not learn it!

Giovanni Segatini

Arik to all Http:// Tue Aug 24 13:01:46 PDT 1999


I"M IN LOVE! ! !

Katarina Tue Aug 24 12:19:47 PDT 1999

Hello again, friends. Thanks for the greetings. I am glad to join. I have gotten the password from Jack, but am confused about how to find "Shadows". I apologize.

Rachel's comment is received as requested. I asked for fuel to get started, remember? Rachel, tell me more about yourself and your children.

Looking forward to our future interaction.


Xavier Tue Aug 24 10:52:44 PDT 1999


I posted on shadows yesterday, but I am uncertain as to my word count. I believe I will be able to make the dead line, that would be nice.

All is well here. hello to new new notebookers as well.

Ok, thats it.


Allein Tue Aug 24 08:14:34 PDT 1999

I wrote about 1000 more words to Shadows but have not posted it yet because the part is not finished. I'll most likely finish this part today and post it.

Sagebrush Tue Aug 24 06:43:56 PDT 1999

Advice I once received from an old writer with too much time on her hands, and to little money in her pocketbook:

A great story must contain a little sex, mystery, money and a little religion, for example:

"God!" the bankers daughter said, "I'm pregnent, I wonder who the father could be?"


Gary S Mon Aug 23 21:17:20 PDT 1999

Hey, Rachel.

Here's my jingle for the day.

Poor, poor, Demi Moore
She must be having fits
She wonders now, just where she goes
with nothing but her eyes

Was that bad of me?


Gary S Mon Aug 23 21:09:37 PDT 1999

Well, as you see, now there is the long and the short of it. I must have forgotten to reload. Ah, well. It might be a reasonable example of the difference in a first and second drafting of a piece. Keeping in mind that the second was more hastily done because of impatience at 'losing' the first. Get lemons, make stuff.


Gary S Mon Aug 23 21:02:43 PDT 1999

Holey Moley, Andy,

Now I just wrote out a long post with a lavish welcome to a new Notebooker and it not only didn't double post, which i see has now afflicted another of us, but it DIDN'T POST AT ALL.

Sorry to have shouted, but this board is making me slightly shell shocked.

Anyhow, KATARINA, While we are all pondering the question of why Rachel decided to welcome you by passing gas, I thought i might sieze the moment to offer you my greeting. I hope you like it here and I suggest getting a password from Jack and reading some of shadows. HEY, what's with all the cold stares. Oh, uh, Katarina (he says sheepishly,) I suggest you read ALL of Shadows, uh and that's a good way to learn what good writers we have here. It is very entertaining.

As for Rachel's gas, I feel she shouldn't be harshly judged. Actually, studies show that we do that 3.8 times in a single day. (How would you like to have been on that counting team?)

On the other hand, I hear that 88% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Make that 83%. It sounds better without double numbers.

Americo, Little there is that escapes yout fine eye for detail. Yes, my name does suggest my ancestry and yours are of one. Actually, my name is in both spellings, but there is a story with which to bore you mightily at another time. For now, I wish you a safe trip and I will look forward to speaking of the fine things Portuguese that exist in this world, like that port wine you mentioned to someone. In case it has not occured to some of you good folks, think where the name "Port" is from. It also behooves me, Americo, I would think, to seek your advice about my planned trip to Portugal in the spring. I envy your ability to travel so much as you seem to do.

Once again, Shadows is a good piece of work, It is surprisingly well fitted for collaborative material and I find it quite entertaining to read. Be encouraged folks. Locally, I am not known to be a fellow who dispenses praise freely. My theater freinds view me as rather critical of their productions, and still we are respectful as freinds.

Later, all

Jack, here is a send off cheer from the board.


It's only 'cause we love him so. He is sorely missed.


Gary S Mon Aug 23 19:48:48 PDT 1999


While we all ponder the question of why Rachel has decided to welcome you by passing gas, I would like to add my own greetings. I believe from what you posted that you will find this board a good place to be. There are many fine and talented writers here and I would suggest that you email Jack for a password to the workbook as soon as you can. You will be able to post whatever work or pieces you like there.
I strongly recommend reading Shadows in a dream. It is a collaborative work by many of the folks who post here in the Notebook, and personally I find it is entertaining and quite well done. Actually if I must be honest, I am personally surprised at how well the contributions seem to work with one and other. I only recently have known of the collaboration and my very first thought was very like, "Collaboration, now there is a heavily mined road." And it often is. You mustn't be influenced by some of the interplay here in the Notebook surrounding the building of the work. Actually that kind of thing arises from collaborations nastiest and most insidiuos land mine of all. I suggest to you that here is hardly a worst case scenario of collaboration blues. A mere poof when viewed against the backdrop of the usual co-authoring explosions that can occur. Just enjoy the writing. I think you will. It is a good way to introduce yourself to a good many folks here.
Now, as for Rachel's gas, I feel that we should not judge her harshly. After all it is quite human and I am told that a study has found that the average person has some 3.8 such episodes in a single day. And even though I have serious reservations about people who would conduct such research; I mean can you just imagine working the night shift on an air biscuit counting mission, I suppose one must respect the results. On the other hand I have also heard that 88% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Well, let's 85%. No,
I think 88% sounds better. Wait! Someone said double numbers don't sound good in statistics so how about 73%. Good enough.

Americo,, there's no sneaking anything by you. You spotted that fact about my name in a wink. Actually you are quite right except that my name is actually both of those spellings, but there lies a tale with which to bore you mightily at another time.

Stay well, All

Jack, here is a send off cheer from the board.



Gary S

Allein Mon Aug 23 19:23:24 PDT 1999

It's that time again - Allein's useless facts. Remember, these are humor - the source is not very reliable. ::grin::

At St. Helen's school in Newbury, OH students are required to
learn to ride a unicycle in gym class. The headmaster
believes that everyone should have one daffy skill... I can't tell you how many times people in the
corporate world are passed over for promotion because of a
lack of unicycle skills.


Allein Mon Aug 23 19:11:29 PDT 1999

Americo - I'm sorry, I said that you gave Jack an extension, I meant to say that you made him an exception. I made a mistake - my bad - sorry. Please forgive me. :( However, no one bothered to tell me why he was an exception until now. So, now that I see your side, I understand why he's also a co-author. Anyway, now that Rachel has given me an extension, I'll be able to wrap up my story line and reach the 6,000 word limit. BTW, I know for a fact that Cassandra will most likely not reach the deadline, for she's been very busy with work and getting ready for college. I mean, I certainly can't speak for her but this is what I've heard from both her and Sqrl. Anyway, have a safe flight back home. :)

Rachel - THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! You're like an angel sent from God - you know that don't you? But I don't know about the word count, cause I still come up with about 2,500. Perhaps, someone else could do a word count and make sure.

Katarina - Welcome. I'm glad to see a new face around here. :)
Well, it's off with me - to work on Shadows.

Rachel Mon Aug 23 12:35:34 PDT 1999

Hi Kartrina - Welcome
Here, I am passing you some white gas and a match. Will that help (grins). Oh, but I will need it back, I'm going camping (grins and laughter)
Take care you

PS - It's nice to see another mom on the page. I have four children.

Katarina Mon Aug 23 12:21:06 PDT 1999

I am a new Internet user and finally have found a chat room where I think I may feel comfortable (i.e, creative, intellectual and stimulating interaction!). I am a 38-year "old" soul, a mother of two, a working woman, with a hidden "muse". I was able to write and experiment with other kinds of visual art in high school and college, but since getting married and having children, have lost touch with my creative side.

I recently got a calling to where to direct my energies and just need the fuel to get started in the creative process. Anybody out there in the same boat?



Rachel Mon Aug 23 11:42:54 PDT 1999

Hi all

Allein - Why are you worried about the deadline? With the stuff that you have sent to me you are at 4656 words. You are closing in fast and still have another story idea that I hope you are working on (big smile). I know you can do it. I am sure of it. You are so close now, I really don't want to see you give up. YOU CAN DO IT!

Americo - Have a safe flight and get back here (grins and laughter)! Ah, and there is nothing wrong with being a dreamer (hugs for you).

Shadows people. It would appear we are in a bit of a pinch here. Yah see I'm on my way camping. I will not be here for the next couple of days, soooooo what I am going to do is grant a one week extnesion.

The new dealine will be on September 1, 1999. Allein, I will be back in 3 or 4 days and I will help you if you need my help. I will bet that you can get this done all on your own. Just don't forget that you can always write it ahead of time and just type it up onto the computer later. That way it doesn't matter so much about the screen time, right?

Take care all

PS - I'll see if I can drop back in before I leave, but I have packing to do (grins). Can't leave it all for Dan.

PSS - Shadows people I would be sure to take advantage of this extension as I would not think that there will be another.

Americo Fortaleza (Brazil) Mon Aug 23 11:12:51 PDT 1999

Allein: I did NOT give any time extension to anyone. I gave two months extension to everyone (the first deadline was the 25th JUNE)! One of the objectives of our collaborative work is pedagogic and I will be terribly disappointed if you cannot accompany us on the second phase of our work.

There is a rule stating that a collaborator can become a co-author regardless of the number of words he published if his/her text(s)are considered crucial to the book. That is the case of Jack´s speech in the Chelsea. The book cannot be completed withour that text.I am seriously considering if your scene in Central Park can be an INDISPENSABLE text (I intend to write something in connection with that scene). But I have not come to any conclusion yet (I have to study all the selected texts first). So I am afraid you must publish the required 6000 words till midnight (PDT) of the 25th August, like anybody else, if you want TO BE SURE that you will pass to the second leg, that is to say, to become a co-author of the second version of the novel - the one I am already working on.

Besides you, there are, AT LEAST, two collaborators who I am worried about: Cassandra and Xavier. The last time I counted (almost a month ago) they had not enough text yet. They supported the project so much that I will be extremely sorry if they cannot finish their story lines.

PEOPLE: I hate this suspense about who will or will not be co-author of our great novel. Rachel is in charge of the novel till the 25th August. If you want to ask her a LITTLE time extension and she approves, be sure I will approve as well. For the moment I am too much involved with the beauties of Brazil (and a bit tense about having to fly for nine hours - I´m afraid I´m becoming a bit claustrophobic)to be able to think as much as I would like about "Shadows in a Dream".

I have just visited the museum of the Federal University of Ceará and had a most interesting conversation with the curator of the museum. He is a painter himself and supervises collective painting projects. He has shown me some collective works. They are superb! I thought that we could also write great collective books - but I am just a dreamer!

Gary : your surname (Souza - former spelling of Sousa) tells me that you are of Portuguese descent indeed. We´ll talk about Pantanal and Goa and sardines and other wonderful things some other time. This reminds me that I have not said welcome to you yet. Welcome!

Mon Aug 23 11:04:25 PDT 1999

Allein: I did NOT give any time extension to anyone. I gave two months extension to everyone (the first deadline was the 25th JUNE)! One of the objectives of our collaborative work is pedagogic and I will be terribly disappointed if you cannot accompany us on the second phase of our work.

There is a rule stating that a collaborator can become a co-author regardless of the number of words he published if his/her text(s)are considered crucial to the book. That is the case of Jack´s speech in the Chelsea. The book cannot be completed withour that text.I am seriously considering if your scene in Central Park can be an INDISPENSABLE text (I intend to write something in connection with that scene). But I have not come to any conclusion yet (I have to study all the selected texts first). So I am afraid you must publish the required 6000 words till midnight (PDT) of the 25th August, like anybody else, if you want TO BE SURE that you will pass to the second leg, that is to say, to become a co-author of the second version of the novel - the one I am already working on.

Besides you, there are, AT LEAST, two collaborators who I am worried about: Cassandra and Xavier. The last time I counted (almost a month ago) they had not enough text yet. They supported the project so much that I will be extremely sorry if they cannot finish their story lines.

PEOPLE: I hate this suspense about who will or will not be co-author of our great novel. Rachel is in charge of the novel till the 25th August. If you want to ask her a LITTLE time extension and she approves, be sure I will approve as well. For the moment I am too much involved with the beauties of Brazil (and a bit tense about having to fly for nine hours - I´m afraid I´m becoming a bit claustrophobic)to be able to think as much as I would like about "Shadows in a Dream".

I have just visited the museum of the Federal University of Ceará and had a most interesting conversation with the curator of the museum. He is a painter himself and supervises collective painting projects. He has shown me some collective works. They are superb! I thought that we could also write great collective books - but I am just a dreamer!

Gary : your surname (Souza - former spelling of Sousa) tells me that you are of Portuguese descent indeed. We´ll talk about Pantanal and Goa and sardines and other wonderful things some other time. This reminds me that I have not said welcome to you yet. Welcome!

Gary S Mon Aug 23 09:58:28 PDT 1999


Dassokay, I have concluded that it happens because of the clumsy way I exit the board after posting sometimes. I think if I just stick to closing out the program, it will work properly. This post will be the proof of that if it does not double post.


Rachel Mon Aug 23 06:38:04 PDT 1999

Hi Gary - I think this is another one for Jack. All I can figure is you must have a very sensitive keyboard and maybe you double send (grins). My keyboard is awful! My kiddies have spilled all sorts of stuff on it and I'm suprirsed it works at all (laughter). The keys are sooooo crunchy! It reminds me of when I learned to type on an old manual in school. You needed to be quite the armstrong kind of gal to type back then (grins and laughter).
Take care you

Gariess Sun Aug 22 22:27:13 PDT 1999

Will somebody please tell me what makes this thing double post, so I can NOT do whatever it is. Hoy Vay!


Gary S Sun Aug 22 22:20:50 PDT 1999


So many to speak to today. First, someone said something about my Rhode Island post and it seemed a nice thing to say. Thank you, and please don't be offended at my not srolling up and down to get everyone's name right. I am tired and lucky if I get my own right.

Someone, I think Martin, asked if Rhode Island is small. Yes, it is, the smallest of all, actually, but certainly one of the oldest. One of the thirteen original colonies. So now we all know there is an iceberg even bigger. Now, that is small for a state but IMHO it is one hell of an iceberg.

Americo, Your name always makes me hear verses of "America The Beautiful" in my head. Probably because it was written by a lady from my old home town near by. Her name was Katherine Lee Bates and Falmouth MA is justly proud of her. A lot of people say her song should be our national anthem and not some tune taken, in fact, from an old drinking song of an English private men's club.

Americo, have you been to the Pantanal, I know you travel a lot in Brazil, I am intrigued by this kind of place. The worlds largest swamp. I believe it also is bigger than Rhode Island. For some reason, Rhode Island has become a standard of "smallness" in things geographical. I will some day travel to Portugal. I hope this spring. I have never been to Europe. Have you been to Goa? I would love to go there for dinner some evening. HA ha, I make a de bigga joke.

I read about Goa in June and I drooled all through July. I am going now to the kitchen to eat a can of Gouvea sardines. Nobody can package better sardines than the people of my ancestor's land. Spanish sardines are fine for people who don't know better, but Portugaizha, now there you have sardines. With the little slice of onion and the spices blended into the olive oil, a delicate touch of carrot with a tiny red chile. And there are people who think they know sardines. I say, HA! I will show you sardines. I will give you sardines!

Sorry if I get a bit manic at times, guys. They say it might be the Prozak. Is that spelled wrong? Oh well, a joke is not so important.

Jack, my man. The time draws closer.

Down under is the place where I will be.
Australia is the kind of place for me.
My name is Jack, I'll be OUT BACK, but I'll be home by three.
Australia is the kind of place for me.

My send off gift, Jack. Don't ask what you did to deserve it. (Maybe you were naughty)

For more verses call 1 800 GARY TUNES,
Please have credit card handy.

Later, you guys


Gary S Sun Aug 22 22:12:45 PDT 1999


So many to speak to today. First, someone said something about my Rhode Island post and it seemed a nice thing to say. Thank you, and please don't be offended at my not srolling up and down to get everyone's name right. I am tired and lucky if I get my own right.

Someone, I think Martin, asked if Rhode Island is small. Yes, it is, the smallest of all, actually, but certainly one of the oldest. One of the thirteen original colonies. So now we all know there is an iceberg even bigger. Now, that is small for a state but IMHO it is one hell of an iceberg.

Americo, Your name always makes me hear verses of "America The Beautiful" in my head. Probably because it was written by a lady from my old home town near by. Her name was Katherine Lee Bates and Falmouth MA is justly proud of her. A lot of people say her song should be our national anthem and not some tune taken, in fact, from an old drinking song of an English private men's club.

Americo, have you been to the Pantanal, I know you travel a lot in Brazil, I am intrigued by this kind of place. The worlds largest swamp. I believe it also is bigger than Rhode Island. For some reason, Rhode Island has become a standard of "smallness" in things geographical. I will some day travel to Portugal. I hope this spring. I have never been to Europe. Have you been to Goa? I would love to go there for dinner some evening. HA ha, I make a de bigga joke.

I read about Goa in June and I drooled all through July. I am going now to the kitchen to eat a can of Gouvea sardines. Nobody can package better sardines than the people of my ancestor's land. Spanish sardines are fine for people who don't know better, but Portugaizha, now there you have sardines. With the little slice of onion and the spices blended into the olive oil, a delicate touch of carrot with a tiny red chile. And there are people who think they know sardines. I say, HA! I will show you sardines. I will give you sardines!

Sorry if I get a bit manic at times, guys. They say it might be the Prozak. Is that spelled wrong? Oh well, a joke is not so important.

Jack, my man. The time draws closer.

Down under is the place where I will be.
Australia is the kind of place for me.
My name is Jack, I'll be OUT BACK, but I'll be home by three.
Australia is the kind of place for me.

My send off gift, Jack. Don't ask what you did to deserve it. (Maybe you were naughty)

For more verses call 1 800 GARY TUNES,
Please have credit card handy.

Later, you guys


Allein Sun Aug 22 20:53:28 PDT 1999

Americo - I also forgot to say "Welcome back". *hugs*
Allein Sun Aug 22 20:45:47 PDT 1999

I'm weirder today than usaul! §:0)=

Rachel- thanks

Allein- {{{{HUGS}}}} Sqrlmunk: *walks up to pile of nuts, sniffs the air* "ahhh peanuts" *grins*

Tracey- WELCOME TO THE FUNNY FARM! ::darting eyes around the room:: I mean the bb. ;-D

"S" people! If I am to get my part finished on time, I need to know if any one has added me to their part of the story sence I"ve been gone! I am unable to read through all of "S" from when I last read it, and do everything I need to get done, and still be able to finish my part. uhh could someone just e-mail me and let me know if Sqrl appears in anyone's additions, so I know what Sqrl has to do? thanks

Rachel Sun Aug 22 20:32:04 PDT 1999

Hi all

Americo! Welcome back:)

Allein - Hi you! I did go to your site, but know what? Something happens when I try to hang out there and my computer clunks out on me (grrrrrrrr). I hate when it does that. I'll try again in the next day or so. I should be able to sign the guest book before I crash (grins). Oh and I don't think it's your computer. I am sure it is mine. My computer can be rather difficult from time to time.

Take care all

Allein Sun Aug 22 19:25:01 PDT 1999

Americo - I'd never hate you. Sure, I get upset with people but I never hate people. Hate is very wrong. And I'm glad that you liked my page. Hope you signed my guestbook - there are still some people here who haven't *cough cough "Rachel" *cough* "sqrl" *cough* Is it just me or is there a cold going around. ::grin::
Anyway, I really wish that you would consider a week extension. I am working on Shadows now - Rachel is helping me - but I'm completely booked up Monday and Tuesday with appointments, school stuff, sr. pictures - and Martin brought up a good point - you did give an extension to Jack. I will try and get it done by Wednesday but I cannot make a guarentee. If I have a week longer, I will be able to get my parts done and I'll see how much I have - school starts next Wednesday so after that, I won't have the time anyway.

Rachel - can't wait to see your photo. :) I'm sure you look fabulous.
Well, that's it for me now.

Americo Fortaleza Sun Aug 22 17:34:38 PDT 1999

Hello, everybody!

Back from the "coconut beach" (Freixeiras) and from happiness!What a fascinating country Brazil can be and what wonderful friends I have here! I´ll speak about that in more detail when I go home. Wonderful holidays so far! The only problems: I caught a bad cold today and I wanted to lose some weight but... well, the food here is irresistible. Anyway, I am still only two kilos heavier than I should. I wonder why I have become worried about my looks (gargalhada). Could it mean that I believe that one day soon we may really (and not only in fiction) meet in the Chelsea hotel?

Good job, Rachel! If Shadows succeeds we will have to tell you a great thank you (or offer you a good bottle of Port wine - I suspect you prefer the Port to the thanks...)

I saw that Avatar has been quite busy at Shadows and that gives me great satisfaction. And I saw the picture of my virtual girl-friend ever since I discovered this site: Allein. She is just as I imagined her so my sympathy will remain untouched even if she can´t make it into the second version of Shadows and will (unjustly) hate me for that.

And your illustrations are also good, Allein. I visited your site and was given number 43.

Now I must offer a big farewell dinner at a Portuguese restaurant to all my Brazilian friends, pack and ... back to Portugal and to you!

Kisses all around.

Rachel Sun Aug 22 09:56:31 PDT 1999

Hi all!

Avatar! - Wow! I went into Shadows and saw that you have been busy (big smile). I am interested to see where the story goes. I am trying to write something that could go along with what you are doing, but I think I will need to see what you come up with. I don't want to end up pushing your plot around on you (grins).

Allein - I posted off a letter and photo to you yesterday, so you should have both by the middle of the week. I am going to re-send that "getting to know you" e-mail that you sent off to me.

On humor in writing. I think that it is very important, much as humor in life is important. Much of my writing is done with some very backhanded humor. I can't resist puns.

Take care all

Martin Sun Aug 22 08:32:40 PDT 1999

Did anyone here if the Titanic has left the harbor yet?


P M Montgomery Sun Aug 22 07:32:00 PDT 1999

Does anyone have information on Print on Demand publishing?There was an interesting article in Neweek about it.

Weston Sun Aug 22 05:59:00 PDT 1999

It seems that Rhode Island is now smaller than a certain iceberg. The iceberg, 24 by 48 miles broke off the Antarctic ice shelf and is drifting northward into shipping lanes. A new vacation spot?


Martin Sun Aug 22 05:24:46 PDT 1999


... or maybe you did not read my message about the idiot. I am an idiot - and I do not follow bad rules!


Martin Sun Aug 22 04:46:49 PDT 1999

Sunday morning Grand Slam

Recommondation #2:
Umberto Eco, An introduction to semiotic.
Semiotic is the difference between what I say and what you want to understand.


Now I remeber you. You are the girl that reminds me of the Grinsekatze (grinning cat?) in Alice in the wonderland.

Laughing over me when I mess up the eternity with Americo may not be nice, but it unveils your true character. Therefor you did me a great favor.


Befor you speak about firendship ever again, please reread your message and wonder what you are implying with the words you have chosen. Then tell me about your results.


That is the mistery of the notebook. It has already won an Edgar award.

I certainly would be more than happy to agree with you, if Sir Conan Doyle would not stand in the sun.

... and our dear friend Edgar of course

I enjoyed you story about Hopkins very much for it is all about writing. It is the stuff literature is made of.

Isn’t Rhode Island the state in the USA that is even smaller than Switzerland?

Rachel Sat Aug 21 22:43:11 PDT 1999

Hi all

Jack - What's going to happen to your slime ball agent (big grins)?

Take care all

Jack Beslanwitch Sat Aug 21 22:20:23 PDT 1999

For those that would like to see what Allein looks like, she has graciously added a biographical entry with picture. I have gone ahead and posted it to the bios page. I have been a bit swamped with details of Australia and finishing up a commercial contract, but have hopes to finish up my detailed characters and what transpires for them in Shadows before the deadline. Take care.

Allein Sat Aug 21 22:12:45 PDT 1999

Gary S - I will check out that novel piece as soon as I can (it's late here now and I'm quite tired, so it won't be now - possibly tomorrow, schedule depending). I posted a piece in the novel section as well a little while ago and you can find my entire novel on my webpage. When you have some time, please feel free to look at it and e-mail me what you think (if it's good you can post it here as well). :)
*hugs* back to you.

Gary S Sat Aug 21 21:45:19 PDT 1999

Hello Notebook,

I just posted a piece to the Novel Workbook. I kind of hope to get as much discussion as possible about it into the Notebook, I don't want folks to feel I am putting pressure on. I just thought I would try to steer the boat (just a little bit) back toward the academic compass point. (Doesn't everyone want to steer once in a while? No, not even a tiny bit?)

The piece is a plotline of a play of mine and the inspection is into the ways we use humor in our work. This one was an especially delicate one for me and I like it as a sample piece for this kind of question because it poses a tough approach to the question of balance and of style and manner.

Please use the play presented or comment in any context and on any material you choose.

I hope you will participate. Jump in guys, the water is benign.

Hi Rachel, huggy huggy.

Hi Allein, you too.

Gary S

Rachel Sat Aug 21 19:41:27 PDT 1999

Hi all

Allien - If you want some assistance on getting an idea rolling send me an e-mail with what you are thinking of and what you see as the obsticals and I'll see if I can help (big smile) I'm a pretty creative sort from time to time (laughter).

Martin - Americo will be back on the 25th. It is pointless to post to him before then. Also, if I am not mistaken he made it fairly clear that he didn't really wish to have any discussion with you.

Take care all

Gary S Sat Aug 21 15:55:48 PDT 1999

Good one, Allein.


Allein Sat Aug 21 14:22:37 PDT 1999

Here's another little gem I read:

"If at first you don't succeed - then skydiving isn't for you!"
- T-shirt

Allein Sat Aug 21 14:21:04 PDT 1999

Rachel - I'm trying to think of what to write, but this is a really bad time to have writer's block. Well, I know what I want to write, I just can't seem to get it down on paper (or in the computer, whichever).

Tracy - WELCOME!!

Gary S - I was not aware of the motto of Rhode Island. Actually, I got that tidbit of information in an e-mail, so, appearently, the person who sent that to me was also misinformed. Anyway, I also thought it was kinda funny.

Peace and love everyone.

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
- Unknown

Martin Sat Aug 21 14:09:09 PDT 1999

b> rules

Rules are fine, but aren’t we writers here to distinguish between the good rules and the bad ones and then brake the bad ones?

Idiots do not follow those bad rules....

Recommended reading:
Fjodor Michailowitsch Dostojewskij; The Idiot
With special recommondation to Americo! So he will understand his own question, next time he asks me if I am an idiot. Yes I am - a proud one!

If you want to feel true joy you have to be able to feel true anger.

For those who are not fooling around with the word friend, I mean if you are serious, please realize that this is a part of me and that it will happen again.


Maybe Portugal has those kinds of laws. In Switzerland we have freedom of speech. One of the reasons why I live in Switzerland.


Oh Yes. Wrigley Field. I saw it once... and of course I had to sit it out in the bleachers.
Please do not call the Cubbies poor (doing so you are hurting a sensitive Baseball heart) They are like Wrigley Field - cute.

I got Wes
And you got nothing


I feel good!


Rachel Sat Aug 21 13:15:31 PDT 1999

Hi all

Avatar - Way to go! I am singing and dancing and celebrating the fact that you got in the words! Weee ha.
As for me writing more, we will see (grins). I seem to have white knight complex or something. I want my character to run in and save everybody (grins and laughter).

Shadows people - C'mon guys! We can do it, We can, we can. I know we can!

Allien - I will look over what you sent to me. I gave it a quick glance. It appears you are on the right track. Fill it in, fill it up. That's what we are looking for (big smiles).

Gary - HI (smiles)!

Take care all

Avatar Sat Aug 21 13:03:15 PDT 1999

Rhoda- Welcome back! Seriously, I don't think I figured that anyone didn't know about the Entity/Avatar cross! Surprise! Surprise!
Yes, Rachel was the one to figure it out (way to go!). I'm blushing at the complement.

You might want to think about contributing to shadows again. It's getting slow without you! ;) (grins)

Rachel- I don't know if I will be here the last few days of the deadline. What I do know, however, is that I have at least 8,000 words in there. Unedited, of course. Unless some have a preference for real life, I figure I have at least half of the required amount if our editors are really picky.

Hello to Tracey! (whisper-they're making up for the hello's they gave to the last new ones!) Make yourself at home! We're all writers!

Well, except maybe moi over here ;)

Americo- Have fun. Some of us are extremely jealous of your vacation time. School days and counting!


Later all

Gary S Sat Aug 21 01:25:48 PDT 1999

Sorry such a long post had to come up twice. I don't know what does that.

Gary S Sat Aug 21 01:21:34 PDT 1999


I want to offer my personal welcome. I see by your post that you have excellent qualifications for mystery writing. Those would be the archealogy, and the rest (actually if you can just spell those things, you have an edge on many of us.)

Your name makes me think you may be a woman. If so, that is another advantage in mystery writing. Women have always been the best at it. From the great Agatha to Patricia Cornwell, just think of it. Does this inspire you, or do you have ambitions in the Sigh Phy, Fantasy, or Romance field.

Now don't get all bent, people. Isaac Asimov was one of my favorite authors (as a mystery writer, ahem.) But seriously Tracey, I would be happy with a mystery ally in this venue of so many proponents of the super-natural, fantastic and romantical.

I mean no disrespect to anyone here. Actually, my day job is writing labels for canned goods, so I can't get uppity with any body.

I just finished a grueling three week course on Nutrition Information. Three days alone of just weighing fat grams in the "hands on lab." Have you ever thought that it is suspicious that a tablespoon of mayonnaise is exactly 100 calories. "Yes," you say, and quite right too. At least 4 0r 5 times in the three days we saw 99 calories. And this is using a state calibrated calorimeter.

Now, where was I? Oh yes, mysteries. Well, I hope you like mystery writing. I mean doesn't an "Edgar" award sound so much more impressive than whatever it is those other genres get. I mean even if you aren't a woman.


Gary S Sat Aug 21 01:18:52 PDT 1999


I want to offer my personal welcome. I see by your post that you have excellent qualifications for mystery writing. Those would be the archealogy, and the rest (actually if you can just spell those things, you have an edge on many of us.)

Your name makes me think you may be a woman. If so, that is another advantage in mystery writing. Women have always been the best at it. From the great Agatha to Patricia Cornwell, just think of it. Does this inspire you, or do you have ambitions in the Sigh Phy, Fantasy, or Romance field.

Now don't get all bent, people. Isaac Asimov was one of my favorite authors (as a mystery writer, ahem.) But seriously Tracey, I would be happy with a mystery ally in this venue of so many proponents of the super-natural, fantastic and romantical.

I mean no disrespect to anyone here. Actually, my day job is writing labels for canned goods, so I can't get uppity with any body.

I just finished a grueling three week course on Nutrition Information. Three days alone of just weighing fat grams in the "hands on lab." Have you ever thought that it is suspicious that a tablespoon of mayonnaise is exactly 100 calories. "Yes," you say, and quite right too. At least 4 0r 5 times in the three days we saw 99 calories. And this is using a state calibrated calorimeter.

Now, where was I? Oh yes, mysteries. Well, I hope you like mystery writing. I mean doesn't an "Edgar" award sound so much more impressive than whatever it is those other genres get. I mean even if you aren't a woman.


Rachel Sat Aug 21 00:44:07 PDT 1999

Jack and Fran - I hope you both have a wonderful time!
Take care to the both of you

Americo! - See yah in a few days!

Gary S Sat Aug 21 00:35:20 PDT 1999

Hi Allein, and all you good folks.

I was just looking over the trivia piece you posted about Rhode Island and the 18th amendment. Where it is true that Rhode island has always been a state that has little fear of alcohol, the state motto, none-the-less, is not "Let the good times roll." But I think it is a rather funny suggestion.

You might find it amusing that in 1776 the Continental Congressman from Rhode Island was a notorious boozer whose last name was Hopkins. I can't recall his first name, I just know it wasn't Anthony. (Hannibal, no more liver for you.)

Hopkins was often pretty soused during debate in the house. This had a lot to do with the fact that rum was available to the members from the custodian.

I don't suggest that this intemperance by Hopkins is linked to the rejection of prohibition in the earlier part of this century by Rhode Island, but it was rumored that other members of the continental body claimed Hopkins cost the budget enough rum to last an ordinary man 200 years.

Now, you may ask, "What does all this have to do with writing or whatever else is being discussed here?"

Nothing, of course.

Hugs to all,

Your equally tempermental New Englander, (That's where Rhode Island is.)


P.S. Jack,

181/2 hours on a plane is a long time, but if you get impatient, just remember that in '55 it took the Air Force 3 days and 3 stops (Hickam, Guam and Kwajalien) to fly us to the Philipines (not as far as Australia by any means).

Also, I think you should get some film and take some real pictures, and remember, upside down, upside down. Hayden told me that, and also he said inverting the negative in the enlarger was a state secret, and he works for the government so he should know.

Rachel Fri Aug 20 23:26:05 PDT 1999

Hi all

Hey Tracey - Welcome. Hope you enjoy yourself.

Jack - Have you packed? Hope you say hey to Hayden for me. If you see Jai I think you should tickle him for me. He seems as if he is a real kid!

Take care all

Jack Beslanwitch Fri Aug 20 21:34:59 PDT 1999

Welcome Tracey

Hope this turns out to be a comfortable and informative environment for your aspirations as a writer.

Well, nine days and counting until Fran and I climb on to a United Airlines jet and jet down to LAX where we will have a stop over of around 4 hours and then back on a United jet and 18 1/2 hours until Melbourne, Australia. Cannot say that I am looking forward to that part of the flight, especially given that economy class does not include power hook ups for my laptop. Even with that annoyance, I am definitely looking forward to the trip. The World Science Fiction Convention, Ayers Rock, the Great Barrier Reef and Carnes and Sydney. All in all it should be an enjoyable three weeks. Most of all, I hope to be able to see Britomart, Philip and Hayden. Take care everyone.

Tracey Fri Aug 20 19:42:22 PDT 1999

Hi to everyone.
I'm new to this but have been search for a group like this to converse with. A friend was searching the net and suggested here to me.
I've been involved with conventions and working with authors for years had lots of ideas but never the time. Finally I'm taking the time for me and doing what I've always wanted to do write, or at least giving it the old college try.
My background has been in cultural and forensic anthropology with alittle archealogy thrown in. Its my hope that I can combine this into my writing.
At present I'm working on a piece first chapter is done and I'm finding I really enjoy working on it.
Hope to get to know all of you.

Rachel Fri Aug 20 19:14:43 PDT 1999

Hey all
Hi Rhoda! It's good to see yah (big smiles)!
Take care all

Rhoda Fri Aug 20 18:20:23 PDT 1999


Congratulations on your new job. How wonderful for you. I hope it is everything you think it is and more.

I was in Chicago a couple of weeks ago. We went to Wrigley feild and saw the poor Cubs lose another game. The kids got free beanie babies at the gate, so no one complained. Wrigley field is lovely. It beats the Houston Astrodome by a mile. I was thoughly charmed by the row houses, the brown-stone walk-ups and the old cathedrals. It reminded me a little of the smaller midwestern town where I grew up. I never lived in a row house, but I always thought there was something cozy about them. Riding the subway to the Wrigley field was a wonderful adventure. We went to the Museum campus and saw the aquarium. It was beautiful. I am hopelessly in love with Chicago. I have been since my first trip back when I was a freshman in college. However, the traffic is awful. It is worse than Los Angeles, and much, much worse than Houston where I used to live.

Oh well, the vacation is over.


Weston Fri Aug 20 17:50:05 PDT 1999

The Canadian coin problem afflicts us here in eastern Michigan along Interstate 69. I even had a local gas station clerk pull a fast one on me by including a Canadian dollar bill in my change once.

My keen powers of obversation were under a cloud that day.

The small change, quarters on down, shows up everywhere: Gas stations, grocery stores, even banks. It has been this way all my life. Most of the time the stuff is just accepted. I might just stop, on principle. Especially from banks.

Life here has not been uneventful. I closed my business to go to work for a photographic equipment company. I have been there a week. (Less actually, I had to take time off for a quick trip to Chicago, scheduled before I started the new job.) I had high hopes, but the job has turned out to be somewhat boring. Then, out of the blue, one of my customers offered me a job doing what I formerly did for them while self employed. A better offer, and the work is something I enjoy. I could not turn it down. I am giving short notice to the photo outfit in the morning, and will start the new job next week. However, in either case I must be on the job at 7am. and the hours are long. I feel like I have returned from a 12 year vacation. (perhaps that is why I was not successful enough at self employment) Anyway, my writing has suffered somewhat in the short term. Most evenings I only lurk here momentarily before collapsing into bed, as Martin says, a living cadaver.

I am sorry to see the most recent controversy here, and though none of the parties are blameless, I hope that all continue to contribute and participate.

Good Words

Rhoda Fri Aug 20 14:51:13 PDT 1999

Hello, everyone.

It is so good to be back from vacation. Now I need a rest. But I am not to have it so soon, for I have to get my kids ready to go to school this Monday, and I have much laundry and other matters to catch up on, including wrapping up my contribution to Shadows. Afterall I have to do something with that million dollars my character won.

Americo and Martin,

I love you both. You are like brothers to me, and I cannot abide it when you two exchange unpleasantries with each other. This reminds me of an unfortunate set of exchanges between a tempermental Australian and an equally tempermental New Englander who were both contributers to this forum. I don't ask that you kiss and make up, or even shake hands. Ignore each other if you must, but neither one of you go away.


So you are the clever entity. I think Rachel figured it out. After learning this I have even greater respect for your writing ability. I always enjoyed the entity. I am sorry the proverbial cat had to be let out of the bag. I was never quite sure who this was, and I must admit that I enjoy a mystery. Perhaps that is why I am so fond of The Old Man.


Enjoy Australia. I'll be praying for your safe trip and safe return. Give Philip a hug for me. Will you be seeing Hayden, Jai, or Caroline?

What are good questions to ask references given to me by a perspective agent? If anyone has ideas about how I should approach these people, please e-mail me.


Are you proficient in Castilian? I am now doing my Spanish course. I would love to exchange e-mails in Spanish. My immediate goal is to speak well enough that I can go to Liberal, KS and order my meal at MacDonald's in Spanish. Someday I hope to grasp a glimpse of a world completely foreign to me, that of the American Hispanic. I know many such individuals on several different levels, but all discussion is in English. I shall learn their language and become bilingual. Perhaps that way I will have a greater understanding of these individuals, and I have always wanted to be bilingual.

Steve and Rachel,

I am currently saving up all of the Canadian change I have collected from my trip to Michigan. No one around here will take it. No one in Michigan takes it. If that is so, how did I get stuck with it? Some careless cashier evidently passed it to me in change. What is to be done when I never get to Canada? I suppose if I ever see either of you, I'll give it to you. Last time I got a bunch of it, I put it into the church collection plate. Surely the Lord sees value in the currency. I was gilt-stricken because I put the church deacons in the position of taking care of the stuff. I passed the proverbial buck so to say, or in this case the quarter, dime, nickel and penny.

Well I must go and catch up on some e-mail.

Happy writing!


Rachel Fri Aug 20 14:10:04 PDT 1999

Hi all

SHADOWS PEOPLE - Hi you guys! C'mon, lets see if we can get some more done on this. I keep looking and looking and looking in Shadows and yes I am seeing a couple of new things, but lets just go WILD!!!!!! Lets get so much writing in there that we need a new section again! C'mon, c'mon.
I know we are all busy people, but lets see if we can get this happening. There are still a couple of days! Write, write, write!!!!!!!!
Yah, I know I am sickeningly energetic sometimes.
Take care all

Fri Aug 20 14:04:53 PDT 1999

Rachel Fri Aug 20 12:12:45 PDT 1999

Hi all

Howard! Hi you (big smile) I bet you love being busy (grins). Hope to see you around. Oh, and you haven't missed much.
Take care you

Sqrl - Nice to see yah

Allein - When I can't get onto my computer I just do my writing and notes on paper and then type it up onto the computer later. I got a picture ready for you and will post it off tonight.

Take care all

Allein Fri Aug 20 09:47:34 PDT 1999

SQRL!!! (((BIG HUGS))) Glad to see you back. Please accept my humble offering of nuts. ::places nuts infront of sqrlmunk::

I have been unable to work on "S" because I've been too busy but I may be able to work on it this weekend. However, I don't know if I'll get all my words in because not only will I be somewhat busy this weekend but my parents have a time limit that I can spend on the computer (not just online). If it was extended for just a week, I would be able to do it, but I suppose that won't happen.

Sqrl Fri Aug 20 08:58:53 PDT 1999

SQLR'S BACK! Miss me? :-)
I have been working on "S," like a good little Sqrlmunk . . . but have NOT been keeping up with you all. When I have a chance, hopefully tonight, I will look over what you all have written and adjust mine accordingly! :-)

Remember to SMILE! It makes people happy!


howard Thu Aug 19 18:13:04 PDT 1999

Hello! I'm just passing through again, still way too busy for an old retired guy. Maybe another month -- even two -- ere I can get back to serious writing/schmoozing/whatever. Have I missed anything?

Thu Aug 19 17:12:05 PDT 1999

Rachel Thu Aug 19 16:49:55 PDT 1999

Hi Avatar - If you will notice in Shadows my story is all ready completed. I am in fact working up a re-write for Americo to have a look at.
Yup, that is right I am restructuring my entier story line. I in fact have about three or maybe even four different story lines besides the one that is sitting in Shadows right now.
I have met my deadline all ready so I guess I don't really think about it.
I read a ways back in the archives that Americo was going to be working on the same story line as Rhoda and myself and that would have made me thought that maybe I didn't need to do up the requested re-write, but as I could not discuss this with Americo I decided that I had better go ahead and do the re-write I wouldn't want to risk getting my backside kicked off the project either (grins).
What I am saying when I say we could write together is that I can still add stuff. It is not as if every second of time for my character has been used up and I thought it might be fun to write something with yo, but if you are feeling the time crunch then just go ahead. If you would like to write something then send me some ideas and I will see if I can come up with something interactive for our characters.
Drop me a post or an e-mail and let me know.
Take care you

Avatar Thu Aug 19 15:04:16 PDT 1999

Rachel- Now would be good! ;) But don't we have a deadline?


Rachel Thu Aug 19 14:02:20 PDT 1999

Hey Avatar - I saw what you posted in Shadows, very interesting. I am looking at stepping into things. Do you have a specific time in mind when our characters will meet up. I guess what I am saying is "Yah, I'll take any info. you are willing to share."
Take care you

Avatar Thu Aug 19 12:37:45 PDT 1999

Xavier- I did answer your post. I think it was GO FOR IT!


Rachel- Yes, I think we do have a scene coming up ;) need any info?

TO ONE AND ALL- I may have been flinging mud myself in my last post. If I was, let me know. But please, no more fighting. This place is my other home, and I hate to see it divided by hard feelings.

Avatar Thu Aug 19 12:32:36 PDT 1999

I submit myself to the will of the court!

Actually Rachel, I haven't been on the net for the past week or so, hence the non-clearing up deal.

And yes, the Entity is one of the many interesting 'species?' residing in my hometown. The reason for the posting was, in fact, wanting to stop the argument that was beginning to brew between Alleine and Americo.


They both are correct. As one might say, there is a grain of truth in each saying.

Martin- Obviously you did not quite read the text. I admit the words 'harder and longer' referring to the amount done were probably a mistake. I was berating myself as well, in there if you really need to know. Though, I believe I agreed with both sides in the matter. Everyone should get their just due for making something like this work.



I know that is a general rule. However, I did ask if I could post it here to show everyone my idea. No response.

The hurt feelings and petty sayings and Martin's inexcusable post stop here people. Martin was wrong to post that without even finding out who it was firsthand. Americo was wrong to begin a blood feud with him here, and I was wrong to post what I did, knowing there would be repercussions.


All things now are in the past. Any smoldering resentment ringing through your veins needs be doused with cold water. All duelists involved need to cool down and take a time out.

I think I speak for all of us when I say:

But, WHY WERE WE FIGHTING OVER A STUPID TITLE? If we know we are good, and love our work, why would we need a special title to name us something we already are?

Be WRITERS people. Not co-authors, or editors, or people who write greeting cards. Be what you are, who you are, and who you will be. Don't be anything else, because you are loved for it.

I am now apologizing to Americo and Martin for some of the things I said. Some may have needed to be said, some not. But, I will say it again. WE DO NOT NEED BLOOD FEUDS IN THE NOTEBOOK! That is anathema to many, and I don't think we need it.

I am sorry if I had caused any hurt feelings. Martin may have been right when he said that Alleine's feelings were hurt, and I take time to apologize to her as well. The post was never meant to be taken seriously, only to stop inevitable conflict. To you, and you alone, I say I am sorry, and I hope that you will keep posting here anyway.
I have been very, very, happy to call you friend. I hope I can keep doing so.

Later all

Rachel Thu Aug 19 10:27:02 PDT 1999

Hi Xavier (big smile) - Can't wait to get a look at what you have for Shadows!
Take care you

Xavier Thu Aug 19 10:21:46 PDT 1999

Hello again:

Rachel: Thanks fer the welcome back. Xavier is going to be inside the Chelsey next post, and I'm sure the trouble will start right off. I had not heard from you since I e- mailed you last, and was afraid it was something I had said. I guess not.

Avatar: You also I need a response to my last e- mail, so I know if I can go foward. If you did not get it (about 2 weeks ago), let me know and I'll re-send it.

Where the hell is this highly inflammitory "Martin" post you guys are refering too. In the archives? Dam it all, I go away for a little while, and I miss all the fun!

Ok, I'd better go now.


Rachel Thu Aug 19 09:51:38 PDT 1999

Hi Americo - (big hugs for you) When you get home check your e-mail!!!!!!!! Yikes!
As for the post by the entity I can remember the last time that person posted and I knew it was not you. I sort of found it amusing that Martin didn't (grins).
You know the saying people, the one about what happens when we assume things?
Hum, do I need to know who originated the saying, or can I just respectfully acknowledge that it was no me who came up with it?
Well either way I had a little laugh and I guess it was at Martin's expense. Which really isn't very nice of me, but, well I didn't think his post was very nice. In particular when he knew that you were not around to respond to it.
It was really more just a post of him blowing hot air. A case of speaking just to hear the sound of his own voice I guess.
I also was suprised by the fact that the Entity didn't say something to clear the matter up. Perhpas she has not been back to the site since then.
It is a she if I am remembering correctly. If Martin really wanted to know he could invest a little time and energy and go back over the archives and find out who most of the aka's belong with, then again it is just so much easier to fling mud without ever looking.
I guess I am flinging some mud of my own here (grins).
Take care Americo
Enjoy the rest of your vacation!

PS - You my friend will find a bunch of writing and e-mail sitting in your mailbox when you get home (grins).

Hi all!
Sorry about the long post (smiles).
Take care all

Americo Fortaleza Thu Aug 19 09:03:02 PDT 1999

Hello, everyone!

I´m back in Fortaleza for a day. I´ll move tomorrow to Fleixeiras, 175k from here.Then I´ll come back here on Sunday till I depart to Portugal on the 24, arriving in Lisbon on the 25th.

Why these dates? So that Mr Martin may take advantage of my absence to publish here stupid posts about me and Shadows. I am really hurt and angry and am not the sort of person to leave a message unanswered.

I also saw that no one said a word in reply, in my favor, to that sinister person and that the person who posted under the name of Entity (the bastard is probably referring to that post as being one of my "anonymous" posts -) did not identify herself/himself and gave the appropriate answer to that strange personality, a FALSE Swiss who came to this site to provoke.

Mr MARTIN : when I forbade you from e-mailing me I MEANT IT.
When I asked you if you were a flic (French for policeman)or an idiot I MEANT IT. Now and for the LAST TIME I repeat to you a sentence you understand well because you must be used to it: PISS OFF!!! AND I MEAN IT. You have pestered me for a while by e-mail until you understood you were wasting your time. Now you are taking advantage of an unfortunate situation caused by Allein´s posts to try pestering me again. There are laws against people like you (and this is the third time I remember you that).

People: before you complain about "Shadows in a Dream" or even refer to it, PLEASE SPEAK WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE FACTS AND THE RULES. Do not complain or say that you are hurt when you are only showing that you did not read what you should.

Rachel Wed Aug 18 13:03:22 PDT 1999

Hi all

Xavier! It's great to see you back (big smile) I am sure that you can get the work in for Shadows.
I still have the text that I wrote for our characters and if I can blend it into the story I will. I guess I'll need to wait and see what your character gets up to (smiles).
I'm looking forward to seeing what happens to your character.

Avatar - I am still working on some interaction between our characters (big smile).

Take care all

S.N.Arly - If you are still out there? If you are I thought I would let you know that I am an orange belt now and things are going well. I am working with a couple of different weapons and getting quite comfortable with them. Yup, still love my Karate (great big smile).

Xavier Wed Aug 18 12:18:56 PDT 1999

Hello everyone:

I just read the archives, and I can see that I was not listed by Americo as one of the possible final authors.
I am hurt!

I fully intend to have my peice finished by the deadline, even if I have to enter it in several large chunks. I would hate to bail out on a project like this now, it really means a lot to me. However, I don't have a phone line since I've moved, so I use the Library computer. I will manage a day off this week and enter a large block.

Rachel: I am glad I have been encouraging to you, you have been most kind and understanding with me in our e- mails. I truly enjoy reading your prose, either here or in private messages. I hope your spirits have lifted a bit.

Jack: I hope your party went well.

Unto Avatar: Your writing does not belie your age, as I've said before. Will you write again and brighten up my day?
(You remind me of Orsen Well's genius when he did 'Citizen Kane', he was only 25.)

Ok, thats all for now.


Allein Tue Aug 17 22:05:40 PDT 1999

Almost forgot a quote:

"Whoever said 'words don't hurt' never got hit by a dictionary."

Allein Tue Aug 17 22:00:34 PDT 1999

Hi everyone. I just got me a NEW WEBPAGE!! The link is up above please go there and check it out and sign my guestbook. :) Actually, the page hasn't really changed much but I moved it from Geocities because Geocities really sucks (in my opinion).
Well, that's all for now,

Rachel Tue Aug 17 19:57:09 PDT 1999

Gary - No problem. I blush easily (grins).
Take care

Gary S Tue Aug 17 19:39:28 PDT 1999


I don't know why I didn't think before speaking. Of course you would be a digital guy. I'm still in the dark ages with silver halide, physical grain properties and the debate between organic and Azo dyes. I still have a taste for fiber base papers ( great with a good barbecue sauce ) and chemically toned black and whites as opposed to a selected color filtration on a color paper.

Even so, in the southern hemisphere, I wouldn't take a chance. Hold the camera upside down, better safe than sorry. And remember, East will still be East but North will be South and so on. It is also supposed to be winter in the summertime but I think that is just a myth.


I never meant to make you blush. I'm so sorry. I've done worse than that so many times. I sent out a query once explaining that a character gets shit in a later chapter. This is one lesson in letting a spell checker have the final say. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Who ever designed a keyboard with the I and the O right together, should have been sh-t.



Jack Beslanwitch Tue Aug 17 17:06:39 PDT 1999

G.S.: That suggestion about taking the pictures upside down only works for cameras that use film. My is a digital with an 80 meg card. Nikon has built in the software to invert the pictures and make them look just right ;-)

Allein Tue Aug 17 15:45:21 PDT 1999

Hi everyone. Just dropping by to say hi and howdy and let you know I'm not dead - near dead from this heat, but not there yet. :)

Rachel - (((BIG HUGS))) I'll respond to your e-mail soon.


Rachel Mon Aug 16 23:57:37 PDT 1999

Gariess - Hi you! Uh, er, um. Well, I, er. (grin, blush)
Take care you

Gariess Mon Aug 16 23:31:06 PDT 1999

The last paragraph in the prior post should have read, "...if you drink too much LIQUOR." I just noticed how bad that could sound, otherwise.


gariess Mon Aug 16 23:25:53 PDT 1999

To all,

I have been shut ot for a few days (computer repair, ISP problems etc.

My personal welcome to Debbie O.

Jack, If you make contact with Hayden on your trip, you surely must encourage him to post again to the Notebook.

Allein, Smiles.

Rachel, I was amused when I read back in the posts to find that you have recently been decorating and ordering in boarders for your spoiled children. Now, this smacks at least vaguely of slavery or at least dealing in the unlawful acquisition of persons. Ordering in is for pizza, not boarders. Besides, I can't guess what your spoiled children would do with these boarders except perhaps to pester them severely at the dinner table or other such spoiled kid antics. But why boarders? I mean couldn't your unruly offspring do as well with say a day companion or a part time Nanny of some kind?

T.O.M. I saw your post with the Bulwer Lytton link. I sent an entry to them a couple of years ago. You are qute right that they are a hoot. Some of the funniest writing I have seen in ages comes into their contest.

I am definitely going to hang around to see how the Shadows thing all works out. I think someone should be around to count the dead and wounded.

Jack, One thing I know about Australia. It is a fact that in the southern hemisphere, if you take any pictures, you have to hold the camera upside down. If you don't, you will have to tell the lab to invert the negatives when they print them. Trust me, I am a photographer. Besides, Hayden will back me up on this. (And of course you don't need more assurance than that.)

Don't worry too much about the toilet water swirling in the wrong direction. This won't be a problem unless you drink way too much, in which case you won't really care. You can just ralph with the flow. That's ralph as in RAAOWLPH (grrdrrt blaaaph). You can trust me on this too, I'm not only a photographer, I am also a drunk. Philip will back me up on this. Give Philip a big kiss for me, but be nice and do it before you RAAOWLPH.

My best to all,


Jack Beslanwitch Mon Aug 16 22:47:04 PDT 1999

Also, someone was wondering about a topic for discussion. I wanted to suggest that we discuss what our favorite non fiction resources are. To start things off, I wanted to mention one that I just discovered.

Michio Kaku's Hyperspace

The cover looks like this:


He also has written another called Visions in which he analyses the impact of scientific innovation on the twenty first century. Again this is a definite hit.

So, what are everybody else's gems that might illuminate in history, in geography, psychology, else where that help us cut through the clutter of research and get the information we need fast to add the special bit of information to our story? How is this for a topic to get our teeth into?
If you wanted a more readable and understable explanation of super string theory and other elements of advanced physics communicated in a way comprehensible by the non scienctist, this is the author for you.

Jack Beslanwitch Mon Aug 16 21:51:30 PDT 1999

Well, coming from Montana originally, I might suggest that quintessential riding critter, the jackalope. If you have not heard of this one, check any tourist trap from Wall Drugs to the Silver Dollar Bar along I-90 and you will be regailed with picture post cards and the occasional head mounted on a burnished piece of wood. Never actually saw one myself, but there have been rumors. ;-)

Also, you will notice a slightly faster load on the Notebook. I have archived up to today. It is now up under the Our Archives button if anybody has to refer back to it. Take care.

Allein Mon Aug 16 18:32:11 PDT 1999

Jai - Oh, well, only some Americans ride bears and deer. I find my Bigfoot to be much more effective. :)

Everyone - I talked to Casey!! She's alive and well, just very busy and tired. She says she'll be online more often after she goes back to college on the 29th. :)


Jai Mon Aug 16 18:05:23 PDT 1999

Allein - I think your friend Mark may be pulling your cyber leg. I know you Americans and Candians ride bears and dear to school, not to mention those slays with all those racoons. But we don't ride kangaroos, we ride giant wombats :)

Allein Mon Aug 16 14:39:15 PDT 1999

Jack - Sounds fun. BTW, I have a friend named Mark Bassett down in Sydney, if you see him (though, I doubt you will - it's a big city) say 'hi' for me. He rides a kangaroo to work (at least, that's what he told me).

Rachel - Hee, hee, that's what we do with a lot of our stuff - throw it in storage. The stuff in our storage room is beginning to seep into the guest bedroom. Actually, it was sunny here for a while - it's kinda cloudy and warm now - but no rain. In fact, I just got in from mowing the lawn. It needed it on Saturday, but my mom and dad were giving me a bunch of BS about me not cleaning the house when they knew that I'd just woken up and that made me VERY cranky and depressed. So, to get away from them, I mowed my neighbor's lawn and then I was tired so I decided to mow ours on Sunday. It rained on Sunday - so I was stuck doing it today when the grass was semi-wet and long. But, at least I get paid for doing it and that's the important thing.


Jack Beslanwitch Mon Aug 16 13:50:54 PDT 1999

As far as Australia, we will be flying out August 29 and returning somewhere around September 20. In between, we will be going to the World Science Fiction Convention in Melbourne, Ayers Rock and Alice Springs, Carnes and the Great Barrier Reef and then staying with Philip McClaren in Sydney. There will be variations on that theme I am sure, but through it all I should be able to keep in touch with the notebook via AOL. I have the connections for both phone and electrical for my laptop and should be able to keep in touch with what is going on here. The URL for where I will be chronicling things and leaving pictures is

Debbie O: Long time no see. Come back soon. We have dropped the weekly or several day topic focus given the wealth of interests and points of views that have arisen of recent times. However, as always if you or anyone else wants to throw out something interesting for us to bite our intellectual teeth into I heartily encourage one and all to drop it here.

Rachel Mon Aug 16 12:33:47 PDT 1999

Hi Allien - Yes I did get your e-mail (big smile). I'll respond to it today.
Things are pretty busy over here right now. We still have a couple of children visiting our house and we are still unpacking boxes (I make a face). I am so sick of packing and unpacking. I am tempted to just toss what is left into storage.
We are getting buckets of rain here, so I am guessing that you are probably getting much of the same. Doesn't it SUCK!!!!!!
Take care you

Allein Mon Aug 16 11:21:08 PDT 1999

Rachel - Did you get my e-mail?

Jack - When are you leaving for Australia? I'd like to know so I can plan "Operation Allein's Notebook Conquest" - I mean, so I can say good-bye. Yes, that's it. Have a nice time - don't forget to write. :)


There is only one animal that can completely turn its stomach
inside out and that's the starfish...
....okay, two if you count me on a roller coaster.

Rhode Island was the only state to reject the 18th Amendment
to the Constitution (you may remember that was the one that
prohibited alcohol ...
....It was this little act of rebellion that gave Rhode Island
its state motto: "Let the good times roll."

Bye bye peoples,

"Everybody loves Pikachu. BBQ Pikachu, broiled Pikachu, fried Pikachu, roasted Pikachu, Pikachu an Flambé..."
- Me to my brother when he said he hated Pikachu

Jack Beslanwitch Mon Aug 16 01:53:22 PDT 1999

To take a change of pace, I wanted to let people know about and take a look at a page I have set up to celebrate Fran's participation in a sprint triathalon, i.e., swim a half mile, bicycle 12 miles and run or walk 3.3 miles. You can find the sights of this event at

This is also the page where you will find the latest details of what is happening to us in Australia.


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